I don't understand...

[chrisstavrous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kd9zQLyGho&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[aiki]

Well firstly if the writer who wrote that wrote what god inspired then god inspired him to write something that was incorrect.

Why? As I said, God, being God, can do incredible things. Certainly, for One who has created all things, halting the Sun in the sky is no big deal.

Secondly if you want to believe that god stopped the sun you couldn't believe it was the sun since science has proven the sun does not revolve around the earth.

Well, again, why couldn't the Creator of the universe stop the sun if He wished?

So then you can only accept that the earth stopped dead for about a day, if this happened then scientifically this would cause serious problems all over the earth.

Why couldn't God so arrange it that no ill effects resulted from this event? Why couldn't God have only made it appear that the Sun stood still in its normal daily course? Perhaps God altered the perceptions of those who witnessed the stopping of the Sun. Who knows? Regardless, ignorance of how God did what He did is not proof that He didn't do it.

Selah.

 

[Snake75]

If he did do it. That would cause major problems on Earth. Your just making TONS of assumptions trying to justify your god. Although it makes no sense because wouldnt the bible say that god protected the earth from this incident?

 

[LastSeven]

If he did do it. That would cause major problems on Earth. Your just making TONS of assumptions trying to justify your god. Although it makes no sense because wouldnt the bible say that god protected the earth from this incident?

If God is the creator of all then certainly stopping the sun in the sky is mere child's play for him, regardless of the physics we think are involved. If God is not the creator of all, as you claim, then it never happened and your argument is moot.

 

[aiki]

If he did do it. That would cause major problems on Earth. Your just making TONS of assumptions trying to justify your god.

Why do you post stuff like this? Are you just bored? Do you like making yourself look foolish?

I make only one assumption: If God was able to create the universe, He is able to make the sun stop, or the earth to cease its orbit, or whatever. Do I have good reason to think God created the universe? Yes, very good reason. Therefore, I have good reason to think He could do other incredible, supernatural things.

Although it makes no sense because wouldnt the bible say that god protected the earth from this incident?

THis would be stating the obvious, I think.

Selah.

 

[Snake75]

How come the sun stopping is only seen in the Bible ? Why have no other ancient groups reported this either?

 

[aiki]

How come the sun stopping is only seen in the Bible ? Why have no other ancient groups reported this either?

I don't know. Are you absolutely certain there are no other ancient recountings of this event? THere are various versions of the Great Flood in many cultures and religions. They don't, of course, have the details we find in the Bible, but the fundamental facts of the event are there. Possibly this is the case for this sun-standing-still story, too.

You might also keep in mind that communication in the days of the OT was not anything like it is today. THere were no magazines, no news services, no newspapers. There were also no supercomputer databases, or libraries of Congress. Even when really unusual things happened, news of the event tended to be very localized. It took extraordinary means to retain the details of particular events for posterity. Under such circumstances, it should not be the least surprising that the biblical story of the sun standing still in the sky did not get recounted in other ancient sources besides the Tanach.

It would have seemed strange to ancient peoples for the Sun not to follow its usual schedule across the sky, but the event was not overly-prolonged, not repeated, and was not accompanied by the vast destruction of, say, the Great Flood. Like an eclipse, it was likely considered unusual and rare that the Sun appeared not to move, but nothing to freak out about. When the Sun finally set as it always did, I suspect it was easy for people to soon forget about the extra-long day. It is no wonder, then, that the event is not to my knowledge recounted in other ancient histories.

Selah.

 

[Snake75]

I don't know. Are you absolutely certain there are no other ancient recountings of this event? THere are various versions of the Great Flood in many cultures and religions. They don't, of course, have the details we find in the Bible, but the fundamental facts of the event are there. Possibly this is the case for this sun-standing-still story, too.

You might also keep in mind that communication in the days of the OT was not anything like it is today. THere were no magazines, no news services, no newspapers. There were also no supercomputer databases, or libraries of Congress. Even when really unusual things happened, news of the event tended to be very localized. It took extraordinary means to retain the details of particular events for posterity. Under such circumstances, it should not be the least surprising that the biblical story of the sun standing still in the sky did not get recounted in other ancient sources besides the Tanach.

It would have seemed strange to ancient peoples for the Sun not to follow its usual schedule across the sky, but the event was not overly-prolonged, not repeated, and was not accompanied by the vast destruction of, say, the Great Flood. Like an eclipse, it was likely considered unusual and rare that the Sun appeared not to move, but nothing to freak out about. When the Sun finally set as it always did, I suspect it was easy for people to soon forget about the extra-long day. It is no wonder, then, that the event is not to my knowledge recounted in other ancient histories.

Selah.

The sun stopping would not cause an extra long day.The Sun does not spin.It has a sidereal rotational period of about 24.47 days.It would not cause major effect right away.It wouldn't even be noticed if the sun stopped. Another reason why I know the Bible is not accurate is because at the time the bible was made. People thought the Earth was the center of the solar system. That is why the Bible says the sun and moon stopped. Which is why the Bible was made by man with VERY limited views on science

 

[LastSeven]

How come the sun stopping is only seen in the Bible ? Why have no other ancient groups reported this either?

Why would you even ask this? You say it as though multiple source would lend credibility to the account, yet at the same time you completely dismiss the fact that other civilizations recorded the flood incident and claim that it lends no credibility whatsoever because clearly "they must've copied each other".

If other ancient groups had recorded the sun incident would you then not also claim that one story is simply the copy of another? So why do you even ask?

 

[LastSeven]

The sun stopping would not cause an extra long day.The Sun does not spin.It has a sidereal rotational period of about 24.47 days.It would not cause major effect right away.It wouldn't even be noticed if the sun stopped. Another reason why I know the Bible is not accurate is because at the time the bible was made. People thought the Earth was the center of the solar system. That is why the Bible says the sun and moon stopped. Which is why the Bible was made by man with VERY limited views on science

Sigh. When we say the sun stopped that means the sun stopped moving across the sky. Yes, we all know the earth rotates around the sun but that's completely irrelevant because from the vantage point of the earth the sun appears to move.

This is why we say it "rises" in the east and "sets" in the west. We all know the sun doesn't really "rise" but it appears to rise just as it appeared to stop moving on that day.

This is not a science class, nor is the story of Joshua's sun a scientific document. It's an account of an event that was witnessed by men, so it is written from that viewpoint.

Get it?

 

[Snake75]

Sigh. When we say the sun stopped that means the sun stopped moving across the sky. Yes, we all know the earth rotates around the sun but that's completely irrelevant because from the vantage point of the earth the sun appears to move.

This is why we say it "rises" in the east and "sets" in the west. We all know the sun doesn't really "rise" but it appears to rise just as it appeared to stop moving on that day.

This is not a science class, nor is the story of Joshua's sun a scientific document. It's an account of an event that was witnessed by men, so it is written from that viewpoint.

Get it?

The bible clearly says God stopped the sun. Are you not suppose to take the bible literally?

 

[aiki]

The sun stopping would not cause an extra long day.The Sun does not spin.It has a sidereal rotational period of about 24.47 days.

As LastSeven pointed out, the Sun doesn't set or rise either it just appears to do so from our vantage point on Earth. So, to be perfectly clear: I meant the appearance of the Sun from a person's perspective viewing its movement across the sky from the surface of our planet.

It would not cause major effect right away.It wouldn't even be noticed if the sun stopped.

See above.

Another reason why I know the Bible is not accurate is because at the time the bible was made. People thought the Earth was the center of the solar system.

Actually, at the time of the writing of the story the modern concept of a solar system was non-existent, so nobody was thinking Earth was the center of one.

That is why the Bible says the sun and moon stopped. Which is why the Bible was made by man with VERY limited views on science

See above.

Selah.

 

[Snake75]

Read my above post.

The book of Joshua was written in about 1450 B.C.E

The heliocentric model wasn't accepted until the 16th century.

 

[chrisstavrous]

The bible makes alot erroneous claims about the universe and the earth, it does so because the bible was constructed by people who had limited knowledge of the universe they lived in. But why god is constraint by such human limitations (of information) should set off alarm bells in any rational persons mind.

 

[chrisstavrous]

Why? As I said, God, being God, can do incredible things. Certainly, for One who has created all things, halting the Sun in the sky is no big deal.

If god can do incredible things why not tell the scribe who first wrote the account of joshua's sun that he stopped the earth, instead of telling him only what he could see.

Well, again, why couldn't the Creator of the universe stop the sun if He wished?

The same reason he never stops someone without a seat belt flying through their car windshield when they have a head on collision with another car.

Why couldn't God so arrange it that no ill effects resulted from this event? Why couldn't God have only made it appear that the Sun stood still in its normal daily course? Perhaps God altered the perceptions of those who witnessed the stopping of the Sun. Who knows? Regardless, ignorance of how God did what He did is not proof that He didn't do it.

So god uses deception and trickery.

Selah.

 

[chrisstavrous]

If God is the creator of all then certainly stopping the sun in the sky is mere child's play for him, regardless of the physics we think are involved. If God is not the creator of all, as you claim, then it never happened and your argument is moot.

Think about this for a minute, why was god changing all those natural laws? Thats right! to slaughter people. God has no trouble suspending the laws of physics so the killing gets done, but ask him today to suspend those same laws to save life and the results you get are laughable.

 

[LastSeven]

If God exists and he slaughtered those people, then you'd better get on his good side, for who are you to question when the creator of all chooses to kill or save? Can the creation say to the creator "you're wrong!"? If God does not exist then he didn't slaughter anyone.

 

[LastSeven]

If god can do incredible things why not tell the scribe who first wrote the account of joshua's sun that he stopped the earth, instead of telling him only what he could see.

Why confuse the issue? God's purpose was to give Joshua's army more hours of sunlight to win the battle, and this is what he did. It would hardly be useful to give Joshua (or the scribe) a lesson on astronomy. What would be the point?

 

[LastSeven]

The bible makes alot erroneous claims about the universe and the earth

Examples please.

 

[LastSeven]

The bible clearly says God stopped the sun. Are you not suppose to take the bible literally?

Let me guess. English class is not your best subject. Try reading my post again, and this time try to understand what I'm telling you.