I don't understand...

[Johnnz]

But scientist have evidence to back up what they say. While you do not.

Really? Evidence comes in other forms from those commonly associated with science - historical,legal, experiential.

John
NZ

 

[aiki]

But scientist have evidence to back up what they say. While you do not.

Apparently, you haven't actually been reading my posts. Not surprising, really. From what you've written on this thread you appear to have read very little.

Selah.

 

[LastSeven]

How do we recognize this? Are you saying that everyone who believes the words of the bible and preaches them has life? Does everyone who doesn't believe or preach the words in the bible not have life? What is the way that someone such as yourself or the OP for example can recognize this spiritual life?

Essentially it comes down to accepting or rejecting the word of God, which is Jesus, but when you ask about recognizing life in others, we can't simply see a man on the street and discern whether or not he is a believer. Even in talking to him he could deceive me and even the preacher on a pulpit could be hiding behind his own ego. Truly only the father knows a man's heart.

As for yourself, if you walk with God and humble yourself and earnestly search for the truth, the holy spirit will reveal it to you, bit by bit, and when he does you will give thanks to the Lord and know that you have life.

 

[LastSeven]

But scientist have evidence to back up what they say. While you do not.

Do you know the difference between evidence and proof?

 

[Snake75]

Johnnz: Ok?. There still is not evidence.

Aiki: I have been reading and your "evidence" has already been disproven.

LastSeven: proof and evidence are very similar. If you disagree please enlighten me.

 

[LastSeven]

Scientist Craig Venter creates life for first time in laboratory sparking debate about 'playing god' - Telegraph

Funny thing is, they didn't actually create life. They did the equivalent of a heart transplant in a cell. The cell is the life form which they did not create. Instead they created a copy of a genome which they inserted into the cell which allowed the cell to divide. Now if they could turn a vending machine into a decepticon I would be impressed.

 

[LastSeven]

LastSeven: proof and evidence are very similar. If you disagree please enlighten me.

Evidence supports a theory, while proof establishes it as fact.

 

[dhh712]

Essentially it comes down to accepting or rejecting the word of God, which is Jesus, but when you ask about recognizing life in others, we can't simply see a man on the street and discern whether or not he is a believer. Even in talking to him he could deceive me and even the preacher on a pulpit could be hiding behind his own ego. Truly only the father knows a man's heart.

I think this is an important thing to consider. No one of us ever knows for certain if anyone else is a believer. There may be some good signs of it, but we just do not know what is in someone's heart. Someone may act and talk like someone who believes in God, but they may have something else at their heart instead of a love of God. Also, we can never tell who God will call out of the world--these atheists on here, we don't know if God will decide to intervene in their lives tomorrow or the next day or years after. They very well may be one of God's called people, just not at this moment.

It is why we should treat everyone with respect, as they should be treated as they are the image-bearers of God; and never should be look down on anyone or raise ourselves above someone else for the beliefs we have, which we have been given. Also, that very atheist we may talk to today at sometime may eventually possess the same belief we have.

 

[LastSeven]

But scientist have evidence to back up what they say. While you do not.

It's funny that you say that because all the evidence suggests that the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the law of entropy can not be broken, which in itself disproves the big bang and evolution of life theory. Yet you choose to believe the scientists who claim that prior to the formation of life these laws did not apply, and that claim is based on no evidence at all.

So is it really the evidence that you follow, or the theories based on presuppositions?

 

[LastSeven]

It is why we should treat everyone with respect, as they should be treated as they are the image-bearers of God; and never should be look down on anyone or raise ourselves above someone else for the beliefs we have, which we have been given. Also, that very atheist we may talk to today at sometime may eventually possess the same belief we have.

Like Paul on the road to Damascus.

 

[Hawkins]

The question here is rather, since when history is evidenced? Or are you saying that there's no truth in human history.

Comparing science to history is like apples and oranges. Science is to deal with the kind of truth behind a repeating pattern. Science is thus not compatible with other kinds of truth such as history. History (i.e., his story) is formed by human witnessing, not evidence. In front of history, if you have no faith then you have no truth.

 

[Snake75]

It's funny that you say that because all the evidence suggests that the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the law of entropy can not be broken, which in itself disproves the big bang and evolution of life theory. Yet you choose to believe the scientists who claim that prior to the formation of life these laws did not apply, and that claim is based on no evidence at all.

So is it really the evidence that you follow, or the theories based on presuppositions?

The law of thermodynamics states that in a CLOSED system. The earth is not a closed system.Next.

 

[oi_antz]

Essentially it comes down to accepting or rejecting the word of God, which is Jesus, but when you ask about recognizing life in others, we can't simply see a man on the street and discern whether or not he is a believer. Even in talking to him he could deceive me and even the preacher on a pulpit could be hiding behind his own ego. Truly only the father knows a man's heart.

As for yourself, if you walk with God and humble yourself and earnestly search for the truth, the holy spirit will reveal it to you, bit by bit, and when he does you will give thanks to the Lord and know that you have life.

Which scripture is this statement based on, and do you think that some people may have life even if they reject Jesus in thier beliefs? I say this because I know in my own experience that I had once been against all Christian messages because I did not know the true nature of God. Once He showed me His nature, I came to love Him. All that happened after I had been baptised as a teenager. Was I dead all that time? Which scripture supports your answer?

 

[LastSeven]

The law of thermodynamics states that in a CLOSED system. The earth is not a closed system.Next.

According to the big bang theory the entire universe, including all its life and energy came out of nothing and since the universe is a closed system as there are no external forces acting upon it, my point stands.

The only reason the big bang theory has as much traction as it does, despite the fact that there are some serious issues with it, is because most scientists can't think of a more plausible scenario. I say "most" because the few who have come up with a more plausible scenario believe in intelligent design.

 

[Johnnz]

Johnnz: Ok?. There still is not evidence.

Well, I need evidence of what you were actually thinking when you made that above comment. Or what does vanilla taste like to you?

Or are both questions cause for scepticism?

John
NZ

 

[Snake75]

According to the big bang theory the entire universe, including all its life and energy came out of nothing and since the universe is a closed system as there are no external forces acting upon it, my point stands.

The only reason the big bang theory has as much traction as it does, despite the fact that there are some serious issues with it, is because most scientists can't think of a more plausible scenario. I say "most" because the few who have come up with a more plausible scenario believe in intelligent design.

This explains my argument better biologos.(remove)org/questions/evolution-and-the-second-law

The issues are the limits to technology. The Big Bang has a lot of evidence. While an intelligent design does not. That is why people believe in the Big Bang Theory and not creationism.

 

[LastSeven]

Which scripture is this statement based on, and do you think that some people may have life even if they reject Jesus in their beliefs? I say this because I know in my own experience that I had once been against all Christian messages because I did not know the true nature of God. Once He showed me His nature, I came to love Him. All that happened after I had been baptised as a teenager. Was I dead all that time? Which scripture supports your answer?

Nobody has life without Jesus because Jesus is the life and the light of this world. And if you don't have the light you can not go to heaven where the Father is because there is no darkness in him at all, only light. Nobody can reject Jesus and still have life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If you rejected the message from Jesus then you rejected Jesus, because he is the message. "Gospel" means "good news", and the word of God himself came down in the flesh to tell us the good news. If you rejected this word of God, then the word is not in you and if the word is not in you, neither is the life.

The following two short passages of scripture explain perfectly who Jesus is and for me personally these passages have helped me tremendously to understand God and what Jesus means to me. I think they will help answer your question as well.

John 1:1-15 and 1 John 1

 

[LastSeven]

This explains my argument better biologos.(remove)org/questions/evolution-and-the-second-law

The issues are the limits to technology. The Big Bang has a lot of evidence. While an intelligent design does not. That is why people believe in the Big Bang Theory and not creationism.

People believe in the big bang theory because it is the most popular alternative to creationism, and if you believe in creationism you have to believe in a God and personal accountability. That scares people. It's easier to believe in the big bang.

 

[Snake75]

People believe in the big bang theory because it is the most popular alternative to creationism, and if you believe in creationism you have to believe in a God and personal accountability. That scares people. It's easier to believe in the big bang.

No response to the link I sent.


Hm. Believe what you want. Your completely wrong but alright.

 

[Johnnz]

People believe in the big bang theory because it is the most popular alternative to creationism, and if you believe in creationism you have to believe in a God and personal accountability. That scares people. It's easier to believe in the big bang.

Why are they mutually incompatible?

John
NZ