I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

[Renton405]

See the other thread for further arguments on the subject. I don't care whether you accept the fact or not.


I've stated twice why born humans aren't biologically parasites; if you want to ignore the reason, feel free.

I do, however, note that once again you have to resort to insulting me because you can't make your point otherwise. That's several insults, a false accusation, and failed attempts to tell me my motives. You really should stick to discussing the issues, rather than getting angry and attacking those who refuse to disagree with you.

based on your evasion of the question it seems you are unable to provide any legimate info on a fetus being a parasite. And thus it is concluded you know nothing of what a fetus is. I already looked at the other thread. And Im still waiting for a science book or medical book that says a fetus is a parasite. Until then it is obviously not a fact , so you really need to recant your ignorant statement..

 

[Electric Skeptic]

based on your evasion of the question it seems you are unable to provide any legimate info on a fetus being a parasite. And thus it is concluded you know nothing of what a fetus is. I already looked at the other thread. And Im still waiting for a science book or medical book that says a fetus is a parasite. Until then it is obviously not a fact , so you really need to recant your ignorant statement..

I have repeatedly stated I don't care whether you recognise the fact or not.

I'm still waiting for an apology from you for your repeated insults and false accusations. I have a feeling I'll wait a long time.

 

[Renton405]

I have repeatedly stated I don't care whether you recognise the fact or not.

I'm still waiting for an apology from you for your repeated insults and false accusations. I have a feeling I'll wait a long time.

Why should I apologize what is true.. You obviously do not have respect for the life of an unborn child and his right to life.. And your attempts to "de-value" the child are both unscientific(since you can provide no info on your claim) and ignorant(because of your objectifying of the unborn child)..

Your statement is obviously not fact, even if you think your claim is true, it still dosen't make it fact.. Since no medical or science book claims a fetus is a parasite. And as usual you have provided ZERO info on your outrageous claim..

 

[levi501]

He's not spending time addressing this because even a cursory search on this forum will provide you with the evidence you're looking for.

Here are the links though. Do your own homework.
http://christianforums.com/t2173602-fetus-not-parasite-by-definition.html
http://christianforums.com/t2174081-a-fair-poll-on-the-question-of-fetus-as-parasite.html
http://christianforums.com/t2167866-is-the-human-fetus-a-parasite.html

The point behind reminding people that a fetus is indeed a parasite is so we don't lose sight of the biological relationship it has with the mother... i.e., the detrimental impact it has on her body.

 

[KarateCowboy]

biologically, we are all parasites. we cannot survive without other preying on other organisms. we leech off God's green earth everyday. that blows the fetuses are parasites arguement right out of the water.

Whoa dude time to call in the Science Police, 'cause we're getting out of hand. Time to clear things up:

1) Preying upon other creatures does not make you a parasite. It makes you a predator. A predator is an animal that hunts and kills other organisms, usually for food.

2) An embryo is not a parasite.
Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species in which one, the parasite, benefits from a prolonged, close association with the other, the host, which is harmed.

Different species!
Different species!
Different species!

 

[Renton405]

He's not spending time addressing this because even a cursory search on this forum will provide you with the evidence you're looking for.

Here are the links though. Do your own homework.
http://christianforums.com/t2173602-fetus-not-parasite-by-definition.html
http://christianforums.com/t2174081-a-fair-poll-on-the-question-of-fetus-as-parasite.html
http://christianforums.com/t2167866-is-the-human-fetus-a-parasite.html

The point behind reminding people that a fetus is indeed a parasite is so we don't lose sight of the biological relationship it has with the mother... i.e., the detrimental impact it has on her body.

And the first one provides a definition on why a fetus is indeed NOT a parasite. The rest of the thread is just ignorant opinions from the reprobates. Still,, the definition stands.. Do you even read what you post?? In order to be a parasite there must be 2 DIFFERENT species.. A baby and her mother are the SAME species.. Thus the fetus is not a parasite by definition. Nor does any science of health book even claim a fetus is a parasite. You really need to recant your statements because it makes you look like an uneducated idiot..

 

[KarateCowboy]

The light bulb is from the 19th century ya tard!

Oops. Maybe I was thinking of the telephone . . .
Never mind . . .

 

[levi501]

And the first one provides a definition on why a fetus is indeed NOT a parasite. The rest of the thread is just ignorant opinions from the reprobates. Still,, the definition stands.. Do you even read what you post?? In order to be a parasite there must be 2 DIFFERENT species.. A baby and her mother are the SAME species.. Thus the fetus is not a parasite by definition. Nor does any science of health book even claim a fetus is a parasite. You really need to recant your statements because it makes you look like an uneducated idiot..

Not only have I read them completely, I argued in each of them. You've obviously done neither.

Read posts by Gladiatrix in those threads. She thoroughly manhandles fundies far sharper than you on this topic.

The bottomline is, 1. The distinction that it must be a different species is an arbitrary one, i.e. it's meaningless, and 2. Many medical/biological deffinitions don't have the species qualification in their deffinition.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Oops. Maybe I was thinking of the telephone . . .
Never mind . . .

Also 19th Century, unless the pictures of Rutherford B. Hayes as the first President to use one are faked according to those opposed to progress.

You've been shown to be wrong on the facts twice in a very short time. Might be a good time for reflection.

 

[Renton405]

Not only have I read them completely, I argued in each of them. You've obviously done neither.

Read posts by Gladiatrix in those threads. She thoroughly manhandles fundies far sharper than you on this topic.

The bottomline is, 1. The distinction that it must be a different species is an arbitrary one, i.e. it's meaningless, and 2. Many medical/biological deffinitions don't have the species qualification in their deffinition.

It dosen't matter if you think its an arbitrary one. It still shows in the definition of what a parasitic relationship is. And by definition a fetus is not. You can't twist around definitions..

And they do have classifications. Such as the tapeworms, ringworms, fleas, and mosqitoes.

The claim that a fetus is a parasite is only an emotional and uneducated claim. But it is obviously not fact by definition..

 

[KarateCowboy]

Also 19th Century, unless the pictures of Rutherford B. Hayes as the first President to use one are faked according to those opposed to progress.

You've been shown to be wrong on the facts twice in a very short time. Might be a good time for reflection.

Hahaha, nice try, but mirrors are not from the 20th century either.

 

[Westvleteren]

Sorry, but sex-for-fun takes a back seat to vaccinations for polio.

So, women finally breaking the bonds of second-class citizenship, and all that entails, boils down to "sex-for-fun"?

No wonder men and women have so much trouble communicating...

 

[KarateCowboy]

So, women finally breaking the bonds of second-class citizenship, and all that entails, boils down to "sex-for-fun"?

No wonder men and women have so much trouble communicating...

Now you're just making stuff up. Initially Texas Lynn claimed that "sex as an expression of love" was possibly the greatest break through in the 20th century. Call me crazy, but when I hear "sex as an expression of love" it means "sex as an expression of love" or, closely "sex for fun". To me "sex as an expression of love" does not even resemble "women finally breaking the bonds of second-class citizenship" any more than it means "men finally getting to be equal as women become drafted to the military just like them".

 

[levi501]

It dosen't matter if you think its an arbitrary one. It still shows in the definition of what a parasitic relationship is. And by definition a fetus is not. You can't twist around definitions..

And they do have classifications. Such as the tapeworms, ringworms, fleas, and mosqitoes.

The claim that a fetus is a parasite is only an emotional and uneducated claim. But it is obviously not fact by definition..

Again, like a petulant child with his fingers in his ears you ignore that there are other deffinitions where being of a different species isn't a requirement.

So which deffinition do we use? Yours of course right?

Let me tell you why you conviently ignore this... I've posted this before.
"To view the fetus in any type of hostile nature might sit uncomfortably with the pro-life stance. Put simply, to consider the fetus a biological detriment to an unwilling mother is to consider she might have a right in discarding it."

 

[KarateCowboy]

"To view the fetus in any type of hostile nature might sit uncomfortably with the pro-life stance."

That's ironic. Hostile implies some sort of intent or plan, which tacitly requires conscious intent. That capability requires what the OK-death crowd calls 'personhood'.

 

[Lisa0315]

Okay, you know it might be better if we only use medically or legally defined words in this discussion. Some words like parasite and hostile are very triggering and cause nothing except emotional responses.

Since no one has provided a medical source that the fetus is a parasite, why don't we just stop using that word?

I mean, there are plenty of other words that are both biological, legally, and medically correct such as embryo and fetus.

So, unless the Pro-Choice folks are just TRYING to make an emotional argument, I think it would be wise to stop using those words. If there are any other words that are triggering, why don't we all just agree to not use those as well.

Afterall, there are some rules in this forum which say that you have to cite a source for your argument or Scripture depending on the circumstances. Can we please at least try to talk about this without triggering each other?

Lisa

 

[Lisa0315]

Err...I am bossy but I am not a mod. Didn't mean to stop the discussion with my fussing.

Lisa

 

[Texas Lynn]

Hahaha, nice try, but mirrors are not from the 20th century either.

Neither are they approved of by those overcome by the fallacy that they are right in spite of all evidence in any century, including those seeking to criminalize abortion.

 

[Texas Lynn]

So, women finally breaking the bonds of second-class citizenship, and all that entails, boils down to "sex-for-fun"?

No wonder men and women have so much trouble communicating...

It does to the Comstocks and pecksniffs of the world.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Okay, you know it might be better if we only use medically or legally defined words in this discussion. Some words like parasite and hostile are very triggering and cause nothing except emotional responses.

Since no one has provided a medical source that the fetus is a parasite, why don't we just stop using that word?

I mean, there are plenty of other words that are both biological, legally, and medically correct such as embryo and fetus.

So, unless the Pro-Choice folks are just TRYING to make an emotional argument, I think it would be wise to stop using those words. If there are any other words that are triggering, why don't we all just agree to not use those as well.

Afterall, there are some rules in this forum which say that you have to cite a source for your argument or Scripture depending on the circumstances. Can we please at least try to talk about this without triggering each other?

Lisa

Clean up your own house first. Tell the woman oppressors to stop bearing false witness against us by calling us "the pro-death crowd".