I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

[Romanseight2005]

parasite(par

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1. <LI type=1 value=1>An organism that lives on or in another and draws its nourishment therefrom.
2. In the case of a fetal inclusion or conjoined twins, the usually incomplete twin that derives its support from the more nearly normal autosite.

http://www.stedmans.com/section.cfm/45

1. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/parasite


How we doing now girlfriend?

Except that parasites generally draw from a host that has nothing to do with creating them.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Except that parasites generally draw from a host that has nothing to do with creating them.

Except that that isn't part of the definition.

Two medical sources have been cited that show the fetus is a parasite. No offence, people, but deal with it. The fetus is a parasite.

 

[Lisa0315]

Except that that isn't part of the definition.

Two medical sources have been cited that show the fetus is a parasite. No offence, people, but deal with it. The fetus is a parasite.

I haven't see those sources. I saw a couple of links to other posts here on CF. Could you provide them again?

Thanks,

Lisa

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I haven't see those sources. I saw a couple of links to other posts here on CF. Could you provide them again?

Thanks,

Lisa

See post #455.

 

[Lisa0315]

See post #455.

It is describing the fetus as a parasite under certain circustances. It is not being used as a noun, but is describing the actions of a fetus as being LIKE a parasite, not that the fetus IS a parasite.

If I said that you were built like a horse, would that literally mean that you had four hooves, ears that could twitch and a long tail? Or would it be a description that paints a vivid picture.

Now, can we please move on from parasite and discuss solutions?

Lisa

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Oops. Maybe I was thinking of the telephone . . .
Never mind . . .

Telephone is 19th century too

 

[Electric Skeptic]

It is describing the fetus as a parasite under certain circustances. It is not being used as a noun, but is describing the actions of a fetus as being LIKE a parasite, not that the fetus IS a parasite.

Sorry, but the leading Ob/Gyn text in the US specifically states that "the fetus is an efficient parasite". That's using it as a noun, calling it a parasite. That's about as definite as it can be in saying that the fetus is a parasite.

Also the medical dictionary cited doesn't deal in "like a...". It gives the criteria for a parasite; a fetus obviously fits.

If I said that you were built like a horse, would that literally mean that you had four hooves, ears that could twitch and a long tail? Or would it be a description that paints a vivid picture.

That's not what was stated in the two references given.

Now, can we please move on from parasite and discuss solutions?

We can discuss solutions any time you want. As has been previously said, I don't think there can be any solution as long as the possibility of preventing women from having abortions by law is on the table.

Regarding lowering the number of abortions, I don't think there's much room for a solution there, either, because typically the people most against abortion are also against the things that would lower the abortion rate - increased comprehensive sex education and increased availability of contraceptives.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. (NIV)

I've been a fool by continuing to debate with people that don't seem to see the value in the lives of the unborn. Good bye and God bless.

translation: I lack the intellect to debate with you and if I'm not winning, I'll take my bat and ball and go home.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Universally available free implanon, distributed through schools, universities and community health centres, along with immunisations, would effectively stop non-medically required abortions.

 

[Texas Lynn]

proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. (NIV)

I've been a fool by continuing to debate with people that don't seem to see the value in the lives of the unborn. Good bye and God bless.

Matthew 5:22c: "...if you say 'you fool' you shall be liable to the hell of fire..."

The statement that those debating you "don't seem to see value in the lives of the unborn" is a bearing of false witness against us. That we oppose criminalization of abortion as a bad public policy, which no one has been able to refute, in no way implies we do not see "value in the lives of the unborn". Shame.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Universally available free implanon, distributed through schools, universities and community health centres, along with immunisations, would effectively stop non-medically required abortions.

The fact that the antiabortion groups oppose same indicates protection of feti is not their actual goal.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The fact that the antiabortion groups oppose same indicates protection of feti is not their actual goal.

I sincerely believe that most "pro-lifers" see pregnancy as a just punishment for sex outside of marriage, and see abortion as an attempt to get out of this punishment.

Proof of this? That they maintain abortion is OK in cases of rape and incest. If they GENUINELY believed that all foetii were living humans with all the rights thereof, then killing them would be wrong, no matter how their conception occured. However, when you become pregnant with no fault to yourself (e.g. rape/incest) you don't deserve the punishment, so abortion is OK.

 

[CCGirl]

The fact that the antiabortion groups oppose same indicates protection of feti is not their actual goal.

No, many want to control other's lives. Its as simple as that. We have teen clinics here, free contraception (condoms), sex ed in schools, and a fairly decent social welfare system to help women who chose to have a child.

 

[Romanseight2005]

Matthew 5:22c: "...if you say 'you fool' you shall be liable to the hell of fire..."

The statement that those debating you "don't seem to see value in the lives of the unborn" is a bearing of false witness against us. That we oppose criminalization of abortion as a bad public policy, which no one has been able to refute, in no way implies we do not see "value in the lives of the unborn". Shame.

I would say the term parasite used to describe the unborn child is quite enough evidence to prove that at least some people on here do not value the life of the unborn. I have never known anyone who valued the life of a parasite.

 

[WatersMoon110]

I would say the term parasite used to describe the unborn child is quite enough evidence to prove that at least some people on here do not value the life of the unborn. I have never known anyone who valued the life of a parasite.

But unborn humans do have some parasitic qualities. I don't see how stating what these people see as just how things are that unborn humans, by some definitions of the word, are "parasites") means that they don't value those lives ever.

Also, I think that all lives are sacred, no matter the species. Doesn't mean that I would allow anything to live inside my body without permission though!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I would say the term parasite used to describe the unborn child is quite enough evidence to prove that at least some people on here do not value the life of the unborn. I have never known anyone who valued the life of a parasite.

in the strictest tewrms of definition, a foetus is a parasite. Deal with it and lets move on, shall we?

 

[Lisa0315]

Sorry, but the leading Ob/Gyn text in the US specifically states that "the fetus is an efficient parasite". That's using it as a noun, calling it a parasite. That's about as definite as it can be in saying that the fetus is a parasite.

Also the medical dictionary cited doesn't deal in "like a...". It gives the criteria for a parasite; a fetus obviously fits.


That's not what was stated in the two references given.


We can discuss solutions any time you want. As has been previously said, I don't think there can be any solution as long as the possibility of preventing women from having abortions by law is on the table.

Regarding lowering the number of abortions, I don't think there's much room for a solution there, either, because typically the people most against abortion are also against the things that would lower the abortion rate - increased comprehensive sex education and increased availability of contraceptives.

I understand that the citation used parasite as a noun. I do understand the English language. However even so, it is being USED as descriptive language. It is not saying that the baby IS a parasite.

As for decreasing the number of abortions, I think that Pro-Choicers should be as concerned as Pro-Lifers about decreasing 50 million abortions per year. I mean that is simply beyond comprehension.

I just do not see that much energy from Pro-Choicers to stopping abortions with contraception and education. I see Pro-Lifers yielding legislation that forces Abortion Clinics to give full disclosure to the women, something that Pro-Choicers strongly opposed. If it is all about choice, then, why wouldn't INFORMED choice be better?

Why not allow the mother to see an ultrasound of the baby? Why? What harm can it cause IF abortion is such a great solution?

Lisa

 

[EnemyPartyII]

where'd the figure for 50 million abortions a year come from?

 

[Lisa0315]

where'd the figure for 50 million abortions a year come from?

Hold on. I was looking at it the other night when I was researching the number of deaths in the Crusades and other Christian led wars.

Lisa

 

[Lisa0315]

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp337sd.html

This is not the one I used the other night...still looking. This one shows abortions per country through 2005. We are nearing the 1 billion mark.

Lisa