I don't believe in evolution... (2)

[Nathan Poe]

(Iamnot is confused how it is offensive to speak in the third person)

Poe is a little puzzled by this as well, but counts it as a trivial problem, nothing more.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Poe is a little puzzled by this as well, but counts it as a trivial problem, nothing more.

Lion roars about it, then takes down a wildebeest and feeds it to his young

 

[Zongerfield]

To Zongerfield

I see they have gotten around to calling you crazy also.

I consider it an honor and privilege when people hate me by calling me crazy.

Luke 6:22 states, "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name, as evil, for the Son of man's sake."

Thank you so much for the kind words. Yes, insinuating that someone needs to see a psychiatrist is tantamount to calling them crazy, or mentally deficient in some way.

Instead of instructing someone to seek help through their church or by appealing to the Lord, many atheists and socialists prefer to recommend pseudo-science that removes God in the equation of social, spiritual and mental betterment. This is deliberate.

That said, I;m a little surprised that a Christian would be recommending I go see a psychiatrist so he/she can dope me up and tell me how God is dead and how I am a repressed homosexual and how we need to socialize medicine, etc.

Don't worry, I'm on to this type of thinking.

As for getting personal with the people on this forum, I can't help it. I see potential in a lot of them. Many of them are good people and good Christians. I try to focus on our similarities and not our differences.

You're right though, maybe I need to cite more scripture. Then, they may not look at me as being condescending.

Bless you for your kind words.

 

[Zongerfield]

Why did you refuse your friend's request to pray with him? That seems rude and unChristian.

Because how can we pray as a collective when some of the people in the prayer group are unwilling to?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Thank you so much for the kind words. Yes, insinuating that someone needs to see a psychiatrist is tantamount to calling them crazy, or mentally deficient in some way.

Instead of instructing someone to seek help through their church or by appealing to the Lord, many atheists and socialists prefer to recommend pseudo-science that removes God in the equation of social, spiritual and mental betterment. This is deliberate.

That said, I;m a little surprised that a Christian would be recommending I go see a psychiatrist so he/she can dope me up and tell me how God is dead and how I am a repressed homosexual and how we need to socialize medicine, etc.

Don't worry, I'm on to this type of thinking.

Suggesting someone should seek therapy is not the same as telling them to see a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists are medical doctors, and therapists typically aren't. My dad sees a therapist, and all he has is insomnia. Seeing a psychologist or therapist is pretty benign. My university has one on staff for stressed out medical students. And a lot of people that aren't crazy go to psychiatrists. While I don't really have any interest in practicing in the field of psychiatry, I can tell you that it is based on evidence like other medical fields (though it is not as established), and you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a psychiatrist would tell you that God is dead or that you're a repressed homosexual (unless you are a repressed homosexual, and even then they wouldn't push that on you if you weren't ready to accept it). Do other doctors do this? No.

By the way, why do you worry that someone would call you a repressed homosexual?

As for getting personal with the people on this forum, I can't help it. I see potential in a lot of them. Many of them are good people and good Christians. I try to focus on our similarities and not our differences.

You're right though, maybe I need to cite more scripture. Then, they may not look at me as being condescending.

When you talk with Christians, cite scripture. Because you guys don't seem to be on the same page.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Finally after years and years Clirus has one ally.

Zongerfield (Clirus-Lite) is starting to gain and will be called Clirus-heavy if he starts twisting the scriptures to conform to his political agenda the way Clirus does.

 

[Zongerfield]

This is absurd!! Terrance, Lion heart, many others and I were not included!!

I am greatly offended, but I forgive you. I will continue to ignorantly speak in condescending terms of no remorse.

(Iamnot is confused how it is offensive to speak in the third person)

Aside from your rude and hurtful remarks, I've always believed the more the merrier.

 

[TheReasoner]

Why did you refuse your friend's request to pray with him? That seems rude and unChristian.

Are you surprised at that aisy? I expected it, I must confess.

This is absurd!! Terrance, Lion heart, many others and I were not included!!

I am greatly offended, but I forgive you. I will continue to ignorantly speak in condescending terms of no remorse.

(Iamnot is confused how it is offensive to speak in the third person)

Poe is a little puzzled by this as well, but counts it as a trivial problem, nothing more.

Faith Guardian doesn't see it as offensive at all, but then again Faith Guardian is not surprised to see Zongerfield forgiving everyone for nonexistent crimes EXCEPT a person who is probably one of the most humble, kind people on these boards. Faith guardian is of course talking about Tulc.

Faith Guardian agrees with what TerranceL said:

I have known Tulc for a few years and I have to say I have never, ever, once seen Tulc come off as superior to anybody. Indeed he's usually quite humble.

your whole spiel about forgiving someone and praying for them comes off as nothing BUT condescending and superior.

Here's a phrase you should be familiar with and if you stick to it, it'll help you out on these forums.

physician heal thyself

Ey, that'll help out in life. And Zongerfield, no hard feelings but Terrance is right. You do come across... Not well. If it is unintended Zongerfield I suggest you go get some help on how to talk to people. Again: I am NOT calling you crazy. I'm saying you have potential for improvement.

 

[TheReasoner]

Because how can we pray as a collective when some of the people in the prayer group are unwilling to?

I offered to pray with you, just you and me, I made no 'group' request. I offered to pray with you and I even suggested a topic.

You refused.

I wonder Zongerfield, I won't report you no matter your response - just FYI, but do you even consider me a Christian? I'm fiercely against your elitist society, which I freely label sociodarwinian. Besides, I'm a socialist. You've labelled people who are on the right of the political spectrum 'liberal wastrels' so when it comes to me, a far far left guy what do you think about me?

Answer honestly please.

 

[TheReasoner]

Thank you so much for the kind words. Yes, insinuating that someone needs to see a psychiatrist is tantamount to calling them crazy, or mentally deficient in some way.

Really? Some stigma associated with them then. I did not suggest a psychiatrist by the way, so that's extrapolation Zongerfield. I have for Clirus, and I think she needs it as much as anyone else advocating the death of millions needs it: Badly.

Instead of instructing someone to seek help through their church or by appealing to the Lord, many atheists and socialists prefer to recommend pseudo-science that removes God in the equation of social, spiritual and mental betterment. This is deliberate.

That said, I;m a little surprised that a Christian would be recommending I go see a psychiatrist so he/she can dope me up and tell me how God is dead and how I am a repressed homosexual and how we need to socialize medicine, etc.

Wait... Do you know what socialism is Zongerfield?
Do you know what psychology is? And by the way I did not suggest even a psychologist. I suggested a counsellor, a professional. Someone who knows interhuman communication. That could be a psychologist, psychiatrist, medical doctor, actor, politician, author, priest, bishop, cardinal, pastor, teacher...

I suggested advice and counselling, you somehow extrapolate that I meant drug you down?

My oh my...

Say, you say I'm your friend, right? Then you go on and extrapolate this nonsense... Zongerfield, if I really was your friend you'd heed my words a little, tell me to my face that I was wrong perhaps or ask for an elaboration. You've gotten plenty of the latter. I don't think anyone here has told you much to contest my claim that you could benefit from some assistance in how you communicate.

Don't worry, I'm on to this type of thinking.

Sure you are.

Only you got everything wrong. And I sincerely doubt you have a clue about what socialism is. (quick! Run off to Wikipedia to scissor quotes to 'prove' me wrong?

As for getting personal with the people on this forum, I can't help it. I see potential in a lot of them. Many of them are good people and good Christians. I try to focus on our similarities and not our differences.

Hmmmmmm....

You're right though, maybe I need to cite more scripture. Then, they may not look at me as being condescending.

Bless you for your kind words.

Bad idea Zongerfield. If you take your current behavior and add scripture to the mix is NOT good. It's a very bad idea.

 

[TheReasoner]

Finally after years and years Clirus has one ally.

Zongerfield (Clirus-Lite) is starting to gain and will be called Clirus-heavy if he starts twisting the scriptures to conform to his political agenda the way Clirus does.

If they all recruit just as fiercely and we can operate with a generation time of 5 years (which is the amount of time Clirus has been a member) we'll see that Clirusism might have enough members to make a difference - let's say 100 million - *shudder* in... 26.58 generations, or 132.88 years. Provided no-one dies during that time.

Hopefully this is anticipating far more growth than we'll ever see as far as Clirsusism is concerned. I expect we'll see growth taper off at about... 2, I hope. Tops a few hundred total. And yes, I expect the growth to be exponential until saturation is met. Which is hopefully now.

 

[DaisyDay]

Because how can we pray as a collective when some of the people in the prayer group are unwilling to?

Do you always refuse a friend's request for prayer because it would be only the two of you?

That seems unfriendly-like and very bad witnessing. It's like you're saying it's not worth your while to pray with him if you can't have Poe as well.

 

[DaisyDay]

By the way, why do you worry that someone would call you a repressed homosexual?

Uh-oh.


Daisy thinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

[Zongerfield]

I offered to pray with you, just you and me, I made no 'group' request. I offered to pray with you and I even suggested a topic.

You refused.

I wonder Zongerfield, I won't report you no matter your response - just FYI, but do you even consider me a Christian? I'm fiercely against your elitist society, which I freely label sociodarwinian. Besides, I'm a socialist. You've labelled people who are on the right of the political spectrum 'liberal wastrels' so when it comes to me, a far far left guy what do you think about me?

Answer honestly please.

I've been the only one trying to bring people together. I was the one who established the prayer poll. I was the one who pleaded with others to get them to pray and reflect on the words they use, the things they say, to other people.

I didn't refuse the offer to pray, I just - out or respect for Poe - suggested that we wait until he is ready to pray. I am for inclusion, not exclusion. Poe was willing to pray at one point, but we were too aggressive with our Christian sub-dialect and he became disaffected. I've been working hard to restore his trust in Christians.

You say you are a Christian, I believe you. I have no reason not to believe you. What I do know for sure, is that God loves you regardless of your political beliefs.

I don't know whether or not you are a liberal wastrel. Although, if you want to find out, ask yourself the following questions:

Are you unemployed, if so, for how long?
Do you accept unemployment benefits, if so, for how long?
Are you on welfare, if so, for how long?
Do you support gay marriage?
Do you use medicaid/medicare?
What tax percentage is fair for the rich?
What's your stance on illegal immigration?
Should the government pay for college?
Should we implement cap and trade?

 

[Skavau]

What has supporting homosexual marriage got to do with being a "liberal wastrel" (or indeed any of those options)? You also have to note that given Faith Guardian lives in Norway, not the United States (or is from Norway) and so many of those questions may not actually apply.

 

[tulc]

I've been the only one trying to bring people together. I was the one who established the prayer poll. I was the one who pleaded with others to get them to pray and reflect on the words they use, the things they say, to other people.

I didn't refuse the offer to pray, I just - out or respect for Poe - suggested that we wait until he is ready to pray. I am for inclusion, not exclusion. Poe was willing to pray at one point, but we were too aggressive with our Christian sub-dialect and he became disaffected. I've been working hard to restore his trust in Christians.

You say you are a Christian, I believe you. I have no reason not to believe you. What I do know for sure, is that God loves you regardless of your political beliefs.

I don't know whether or not you are a liberal wastrel. Although, if you want to find out, ask yourself the following questions:

Are you unemployed, if so, for how long?
Do you accept unemployment benefits, if so, for how long?
Are you on welfare, if so, for how long?
Do you support gay marriage?
Do you use medicaid/medicare?
What tax percentage is fair for the rich?
What's your stance on illegal immigration?
Should the government pay for college?
Should we implement cap and trade? (emph. added)

About the bolded portion? You are aware faith guardian is Norwegian, right?
tulc(just thought you'd like to know)

 

[Nathan Poe]

Thank you so much for the kind words. Yes, insinuating that someone needs to see a psychiatrist is tantamount to calling them crazy, or mentally deficient in some way.

Actually, there are plenty of people who benefit from therapy who are neither "crazy" nor mentally deficiant.

And it seems odd that you, who have been insinuating that plenty of people are deficient, would take offense at what amounts to your own advice.

You claim to want friendship -- friends advise each other, even if the advice is not particularly pleasant.

Clearly you don't want friendship after all.

Instead of instructing someone to seek help through their church or by appealing to the Lord, many atheists and socialists prefer to recommend pseudo-science that removes God in the equation of social, spiritual and mental betterment. This is deliberate.

And effective -- which explains why it's deliberate.

We would recommend you going to a pastor/your church, but since they're most likely the ones who did this to you in the first place, that's obviously not a wise decision.

As I've been saying: Nobody blames you; it's not your fault you're this way.

That said, I;m a little surprised that a Christian would be recommending I go see a psychiatrist so he/she can dope me up and tell me how God is dead and how I am a repressed homosexual and how we need to socialize medicine, etc.

Your fear of psychiatric treatment is very telling.

Don't worry, I'm on to this type of thinking.

Paranoia is a common symptom.

As for getting personal with the people on this forum, I can't help it. I see potential in a lot of them. Many of them are good people and good Christians. I try to focus on our similarities and not our differences.

And perhaps some therapy would help you understand why you continually fail -- alas, you're far too proud to accept advice from people you want to think of as "friends."

You're right though, maybe I need to cite more scripture. Then, they may not look at me as being condescending.

Taking interpersonal communicative advice from clirus is probably the worst possible thing you could do -- she's setting you up to fail.

 

[Nathan Poe]

About the bolded portion? You are aware faith guardian is Norwegian, right?
tulc(just thought you'd like to know)

If Zongerfield had any genuine interest in the people he wants as followers-- Ahem, I meant "friends," he probably would've noticed the flag icon -- or at least bothered to ask.

But I can't really fault him for that one -- it's a common enough assumption around here.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Do you always refuse a friend's request for prayer because it would be only the two of you?

That seems unfriendly-like and very bad witnessing. It's like you're saying it's not worth your while to pray with him if you can't have Poe as well.

He needs an audience -- one large enough to make him feel important.

Then he'll have his reward.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I've been the only one trying to bring people together.

Under yourself.

I didn't refuse the offer to pray, I just - out or respect for Poe - suggested that we wait until he is ready to pray. I am for inclusion, not exclusion. Poe was willing to pray at one point, but we were too aggressive with our Christian sub-dialect and he became disaffected.

Go ahead and start without me.

I've been working hard to restore his trust in Christians.

I have plenty of trust in Christians -- just not in the likes of you.

tulc, Faith Guardian, sdmsanjose -- I may not always agree with them, but I trust them and their intentions as honest and sincere.

You, on the other hand, are not trustworthy.