I don't believe in evolution... (2)

[tulc]

Tulc is very condescending talking in the third person. He does it on purpose to assert his superiority.

Gee, most people have to know me for a long time before they form opinions about me like this.
tulc(Zongerfield, stop reading now: never really saw himself as superior, suspects no one else does either)

 

[Skavau]

I love the fact Zongerfield, that you presume to know the activities and interests of Nathan's friends.

 

[Nathan Poe]

When have you corrected me? I understand we disagree about certain things, but when have you corrected me?

Try not to take things so literally. I know that may be difficult due to your profession.

Still can't resist being patronizing and insulting.

I'm trying to establish a bond, building on those things in which you like. The best way to relate to someone, is talk about those things in which they are passionate about.

And yet you're still failing miserably. Have you considered giving up?

Not an insult. Most English teachers I've come across are atheists.

And most of them aren't pseudo-intellectuals. is it completely beyond your ability to admit a mistake?

Good people don't do illicit drugs, have explicit sex with multiple partners, drink vats of alcohol. I'm sorry, but they don't. Now, that doesn't mean they can't change there ways and become Good people, but sinful behavior poisons the soul.

And yet, they remain good people -- far better people than you've shown yourself to be, thus proving you wrong. on several levels.

I do address my cracks with guidance and direction from the Lord our Savor Jesus Christ.

Then either you're failing or Jesus is -- which is it?

Failure? The only time one fails is when they stop trying, and you won;t see me walking away.

So this is how you consider yourself incapable of being wrong -- how tedious.

I don't feel I'm talking down to anyone. If anything, I'm telling people the truth as I see it. Some people mistakenly assume that it's condescension, when in reality it's the unvarnished truth.

I'm afraid your opinion doesn't constitute reality -- if you're unwilling to listen to people, you're going to find them unwilling to be your friend.

Vulgarians and druggies and alcoholics are troubled souls, and many of them are beyond the pale. Many of them have no hope and are aligned with the Devil's purposes.

And yet, they're still better people than you've shown yourself to be.

This is your opinion. Others believe otherwise.

Others including but certainly not limited to yourself.

 

[Nathan Poe]

We're not always going to get along with each other's friends. We need to accept that.

We don't need to do much of anything as long as you're going to continue to insult my friends.

Tulc is very condescending talking in the third person. He does it on purpose to assert his superiority.

Tulc likes to sign his posts -- this offends nobody except you, and nobody particularly cares for your opinion, or is willing to change to accomodate your sensibilities.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Can you please stop talking in the third person. I find it extremely annoying and insulting: "tulc isn't really indirect..."

Tell me in your own words how you feel about me. It's okay, I can confront criticism, especially if it's constructive.

You find "third person" talk annoying and insulting, yet you think it's perfectly cool to dispense forgiveness on everyone? I have pity for you but it's starting to wear thin.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I love the fact Zongerfield, that you presume to know the activities and interests of Nathan's friends.

It's more interesting, in a pathetic kind of way, that he presumes moral superiority to them and myself, and tries to convince us he's interested in friendship.

 

[Zongerfield]

You find "third person" talk annoying and insulting, yet you think it's perfectly cool to dispense forgiveness on everyone? I have pity for you but it's starting to wear thin.

Forgiveness is what the Lord teaches us. I am not trying to insult people. Please think about things from my perspective.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Forgiveness is what the Lord teaches us. I am not trying to insult people. Please think about things from my perspective.

Tact and humilty are what everyone else teaches us. You have an amazing talent for insulting people without trying. Please think about things.

 

[Zongerfield]

Tact and humilty are what everyone else teaches us. You have an amazing talent for insulting people without trying. Please think about things.

That hurt. Bad.

I don't know what I've done to insult you. Telling you that you're better than deadbeat drug users, I thought was something of an encouragement.

I forgive you. And I will continue to pray for you. I hope that one day you, faith guardian, clirus, tulc, myself and charlie can all pray together. We are friends, it's the right thing to do.

 

[tulc]

That hurt. Bad.

I don't know what I've done to insult you. Telling you that you're better than deadbeat drug users, I thought was something of an encouragement.

I forgive you. And I will continue to pray for you. I hope that one day you, faith guardian, clirus, tulc, myself and charlie can all pray together. We are friends, it's the right thing to do. (emph. added)

You really don't read what other people post do you?
tulc(hopes you have blessed night!)

 

[Nathan Poe]

That hurt. Bad.

Perhaps you'll learn something from the experience.

I don't know what I've done to insult you.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Telling you that you're better than deadbeat drug users, I thought was something of an encouragement.

Then you really haven't been paying attention.

I forgive you.

A meaningless gesture, considering I'm not particularly sorry.

And I will continue to pray for you. I hope that one day you, faith guardian, clirus, tulc, myself and charlie can all pray together. We are friends, it's the right thing to do.

Then you're not even trying to pay attention -- I won't presume to speak for my friends, but since I can't see how having your "friendship" would enrich my life in any way, shape or form, I choose to decline your backhanded offer.

 

[Zongerfield]

Perhaps you'll learn something from the experience.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Then you really haven't been paying attention.

A meaningless gesture, considering I'm not particularly sorry.

Then you're not even trying to pay attention -- I won't presume to speak for my friends, but since I can't see how having your "friendship" would enrich my life in any way, shape or form, I choose to decline your backhanded offer.

It was never backhanded. It was sincere.

What do I need to do to make amends? Tell you that I am wrong about God? That the Christian way of life is evil? I don't get what I am supposed to do to reconcile with you and others.

We can work it out. That I am sure of.

 

[TheReasoner]

That hurt. Bad.

I don't know what I've done to insult you. Telling you that you're better than deadbeat drug users, I thought was something of an encouragement.

Erm. You DON'T?

Zongerfield, that's a rather serious insult, right there! Even in the repetition of it like this... Zongerfield, there's nothing encouraging in such a comparison. Nothing.

I forgive you. And I will continue to pray for you. I hope that one day you, faith guardian, clirus, tulc, myself and charlie can all pray together. We are friends, it's the right thing to do.

You forgive him for being insulted by you?
Zongerfield, I'm sorry but how dare you say you forgive Poe for pointing out that you insulted and hurt him?
How dare you?
Shouldn't you ask HIS forgiveness for hurting HIS feelings?

 

[TheReasoner]

It was never backhanded. It was sincere.

What do I need to do to make amends? Tell you that I am wrong about God? That the Christian way of life is evil? I don't get what I am supposed to do to reconcile with you and others.

Zongerfield, that's not what has insulted Poe, or myself, or anyone else to an immense degree I think. I as a believer think you've missed out on a few theological points and misunderstood a few parts of the bible, and I don't think the meritocracy you crave is even remotely christian. But that's not it.

You need to stop insulting people. You're actually really good at insults, knowing it or not. And well, maybe you're just not good with people, I'm not very good with people but I see what you say is highly insulting many times.
I've told you, too.

You know what Zongerfield, I think it might be good for you to actually see a counsellor about this. No, I'm not saying you're "crazy". I'm saying you've done the proverbial equivalent of jumping on peoples' toes, vomiting on their shirts and then forgiving them for being in the way of your vomit.
And well, I think you could benefit from someone professional guiding you through a process of betterment in this regard.

We can work it out. That I am sure of.

Step one: STOP FORGIVING EVERYONE! And perhaps you could ask for forgiveness yourself?
Step two: Don't compare people with deadbeat drug users and such. It's a rather bad insult.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Clirus, you continue to dodge my question... why is that?

 

[TheReasoner]

faith guardian quote

And well, I think you could benefit from someone professional guiding you through a process of betterment in this regard.

Response

To Zongerfield

I see they have gotten around to calling you crazy also.

Clirus, don't lie. I have not called Zongerfield crazy. In fact I specifically said that I did NOT mean that, but that he could benefit from learning from someone who is skilled at interhuman communication. That does not really include me, I'm not too skilled in that department.
It doesn't have to be a psychologist just someone who's skilled at communication. Why? Because Zongerfield inadvertedly keeps insulting people. And that's got to hurt for him as it does for us.

I consider it an honor and privilege when people hate me by calling me crazy.

We don't hate you.

Luke 6:22 states, "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name, as evil, for the Son of man's sake."

Yes, but again you forget the last part: for the Son of man's sake.
You're going directly against Jesus with your desire for bloodshed Clirus.

Socialists and Pacificist do no like being told their concepts do more harm than good.

Now, now Clirus. You do fail to show how that is so. You ignore all evidence presented against you and your claims that a socialistic position is harmful are usually based on outright lies. You know many of your claims are false, plenty of bible verses and hard evidence has been presented, and they have not been contested by you, just ignored.
You not challenge and disprove the data presented to you - you simply ignore them and act as if nothing has been presented to you.

In my writing, I try to stick to issues and stay away from discussing individuals. I do not even discuss an issue unless there is a Bible verse that supports my position on the issues.

Nope. You twist verses that you rip out of context to fit your position.

You STILL have not told me if you would see me executed Clirus. You KNOW I'm a socialist. You KNOW I will not change that upon any number of rebukes from you. You also know I abhor your system and will actively fight it.

From your numerous posts on here I cannot conclude you'd let me live. It seems you would like to see me executed.

The only authority that a Christian has is through the Bible.

So why do you ignore it when people use the bible to show you where you've made a few mistakes? Are you saying you are perfect, Clirus?

 

[Nathan Poe]

It was never backhanded. It was sincere.

Not likely.

What do I need to do to make amends? Tell you that I am wrong about God? That the Christian way of life is evil? I don't get what I am supposed to do to reconcile with you and others.

We can work it out. That I am sure of.

You've never been shy about offering "forgiveness" -- try asking for it for a change.

 

[TerranceL]

Tulc is very condescending talking in the third person. He does it on purpose to assert his superiority.

I have known Tulc for a few years and I have to say I have never, ever, once seen Tulc come off as superior to anybody. Indeed he's usually quite humble.

And this is coming from someone who disagrees with most of what Tulc says. We may disagree but he is always respectful about it, even when sometimes I am less than.

You however, hahaha, your whole spiel about forgiving someone and praying for them comes off as nothing BUT condescending and superior.

Here's a phrase you should be familiar with and if you stick to it, it'll help you out on these forums.

physician heal thyself

 

[DaisyDay]

Okay. Tell you what Zongerfield, if you want we can pray together. I'd really like us to pray for you though...

Like you, I've seen miracles happen in response to prayer so if you're honestly willing to pray with me and honestly wanting Poe and myself as friends let's make that our prayer focus. What do you say?

Let Poe make that call, I feel disaffected by his continued efforts to shut me down. I feel as though he may be getting tired of my attempts to pray with him. I think if anything we need a cessation of prayers until he comes around to the idea that God loves him despite his attitude toward him and the people that believe in him.

Why did you refuse your friend's request to pray with him? That seems rude and unChristian.

 

[HosannaHM]

That hurt. Bad.

I forgive you. And I will continue to pray for you. I hope that one day you, faith guardian, clirus, tulc, myself and charlie can all pray together. We are friends, it's the right thing to do.

This is absurd!! Terrance, Lion heart, many others and I were not included!!

I am greatly offended, but I forgive you. I will continue to ignorantly speak in condescending terms of no remorse.

(Iamnot is confused how it is offensive to speak in the third person)