I am a bit mind-blown: if entropy is true, even "Entropy" decays?

[Ronald]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?

In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

Entropy is a physical law. That everything in the universe moves from an ordered state to a disordered state - except life, which kind of conflicts with that law. A fetus grows into a child, becoming more ordered/developed, a child into an adult, until we reach about 30 years old, then entropy starts it's dirty work and our cells don't regenerate as well, we slow down, get old ...
BUT God's Word will never fade, or pass away, it is extra-dimensional, spiritual, not confined to physical laws. Words are not physical; they represent ideas, thoughts and actions which are invisible, unless of course you are reading them.
So when we are in heaven, there will no longer be decay or disorder, therefore, the word entropy would have no use or meaning, especially when the universe passes away on a fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10). That will be instant entropy.

 

[fhansen]

Wow.

That blew my mind again.

You mean "Entropy" can only decay, if it is used?

"Entropy" is just a word used to describe natural proprieties or processes. The concept has application only in a physical world. No physical universe, no entropy; the word would have no use, no meaning, no application itself.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?

In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

The word "entropy" is just a word to describe a process. Saying that "entropy" is subject to entropy is like saying you can get energy from the word "energy" or a shock from the word "electricity".

"fall" never falls. "rise" never gets higher, "fail" never fails.....

 

[escapee]

Entropy is a mathematical term. It is the sum of all the ways that a structure can be built.

For example, an elaborate structure, like a davinci's painting, has only one way to get put together. But a heap of sand in the desert has a million ways to be put together.

For that reason, the heap of sand has more chances to exist and will survive longer than the painting.

The universal decay is a game of chances, and everything degrades into what has the highest chance to exist.

But, if you consider all of God's creations and God himself as a single system, then the total energy is never lost and never gained, so every time creations decay, things that are not yet created get refined in structure.

 

[His student]

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

I've read the whole thread, particularly what you have written in your posts.

Nothing you've said about the word entropy being subject to entropy makes any sense. I think most would agree.

But that last question, if it really is a good summation of what you are asking, has it's answer just as you provided.

Unfortunately even that answer is a misstatement since when we are glorified we will be like Him and therefore decay at the same rate - as if it were even true that God decays - which it isn't.

IOW - if I haven't said it before - your entire thread is nonsense and rightly subject to the entropy encountered be all threads in this forum - only yours will hurry to dust a little faster than those that make some sense.

Capeesh?

 

[Gottservant]

Only the OP can say what he was thinking, I'm simply surmising and trying to answer his question.

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You are fine to assume one interpretation to another, within reason. I think it helps conversation if we compensate for each other.

I'm using the term "decay" as an engineer would use it (not as, say, a medical examiner).
Mathematically, it would be de/dt, where e=entropy.

Example of my idea of general decreasing rate of entropy: A heated glass of water cooling is changing to a state of equilibrium, and that change is an irreversible process (by itself), and so it is said that entropy is increasing. But after it reaches equilibrium, is entropy still increasing at the same rate? I don't think it is.

That's basically my confusion: does entropy effect its own rate? Or is the concept entropy merely an observation among many (all of which taken together maintain the scientific definition?)?

One of the tests of a theory, is whether it is true to itself - that's why I am asking: like maybe "Entropy" has slightly more entropy, than a word in general, because it can be used more? But by the same token "Entropy" has the same entropy as other words for true concepts, on top of that initial entropy - because "Entropy" is exposed in the same way other words are exposed?

Like if I wanted to avoid entropy for "Entropy", I could quote entropy in a number of contexts, different sentences and by increasing its association with other words I consider true, limit the possibility of it decaying (and ultimately being forgotten). Forgetting "Entropy" being the highest rate of decay?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="Gottservant, post: 74155965, member: 158134"]Hi there,
So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?
I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?
In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.
I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)[/QUOTE
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Wait an eternity - Jesus never decayed(-s).

 

[Kaon]

And it is still natural.

You lose entropy through entanglement; Resurrection is an entanglement phenomenon.

He is the only one to observe Resurrection, so He is the One who would have literal human experience in a negative change in entropy within a system already at equilibrium (e.g. homeostatic). Since things die, then judgment, it is a suspicious theory for physicists for now. But in a few years it may be commonplace.

 

[tdidymas]

You are fine to assume one interpretation to another, within reason. I think it helps conversation if we compensate for each other.



That's basically my confusion: does entropy effect its own rate? Or is the concept entropy merely an observation among many (all of which taken together maintain the scientific definition?)?

I don't think entropy affects its own rate. It's just a measurement, or observation. If a clock spring is winding down, the clock runs slower, and that's just an observation. The fact that the spring is winding down shows that it needs added energy to keep the clock going. The original energy used to initially wind the clock is lost, and unusable.

One of the tests of a theory, is whether it is true to itself - that's why I am asking: like maybe "Entropy" has slightly more entropy, than a word in general, because it can be used more? But by the same token "Entropy" has the same entropy as other words for true concepts, on top of that initial entropy - because "Entropy" is exposed in the same way other words are exposed?

Like if I wanted to avoid entropy for "Entropy", I could quote entropy in a number of contexts, different sentences and by increasing its association with other words I consider true, limit the possibility of it decaying (and ultimately being forgotten). Forgetting "Entropy" being the highest rate of decay?

This sounds very complicated, and not sure what the point is. Words are information, not physical matter. It took energy usage to create the paper and ink to make the words, and it took some effort to write the words. So information is indirectly related, but not directly. If I'm not mistaken, entropy measures unavailability of physical energy, so it affects only the medium of the information, not the information itself.
TD

 

[Gottservant]

If I scream "E-n-tr-o-p-y!", I increase the entropy of that word, in that context - right?

Like if I kept screaming it, my voice would become hoarse and I would only be able to say words that were easier to utter than "entropy"?

So the entropy of other words are effected by how I treat the word for entropy?

 

[The Barbarian]

entropy being disorder in a system.

No. In a system at maximum entropy, all atoms would have precisely the same energy. If the system was highly disordered, atoms in different parts of the system would have different energies. If left to itself, the system would become increasingly ordered, and entropy would increase.

This relates to the idea of informational entropy. Where all the atoms in the system have the same energy, entropy is maximized, and it takes very little information to describe the system.

Where the system is highly disordered, atoms have different energies, and it takes much more information to describe the system.

Hence, we can apply that to alleles in a population, by the formula:

Where H(X) is the information entropy, for that gene locus, and pi is allele i of n alleles in that population.

 

[The Barbarian]

Entropy is a physical law. That everything in the universe moves from an ordered state to a disordered state - except life, which kind of conflicts with that law.

And volcanoes, and hurricanes, and star formation, and so on. All of these are actually subject to entropy. It's just that they are able to utilize external energy to reduce entropy.

So when we are in heaven, there will no longer be decay or disorder, therefore, the word entropy would have no use or meaning,

Entropy is a phenomenon of the physical universe. So not in Heaven.

especially when the universe passes away on a fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10). That will be instant entropy.

Actually, it would be cooling off that would yield entropy. But I get your point.

 

[lesliedellow]

Entropy is not a physical thing. It is a measure to something.

Your nonsensical statement is like saying length must must be subject to entropy.