I am a bit mind-blown: if entropy is true, even "Entropy" decays?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?

In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

 

[Sabertooth]

But entropy isn't an energized system (that it should lose energy). It is passive.

 

[Gottservant]

But entropy isn't an energized system (that it should lose energy). It is passive.

What do you mean? The letters of "Entropy" are not energized?

Like are you saying "Entropy" will always sound like "Entropy"?

Sorry, you need to help me understand - wait are you saying "all words" experience entropy at the same time (meaning they don't decay in a relativistic fashion?).

You might have a point, actually.

 

[Radagast]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

That seems like a meaningless phrase.

 

[Gottservant]

That seems like a meaningless phrase.

Don't tell me entropy asserts everything decays, but not the word "Entropy"?

How does that make sense?

I'll forgive you, if you don't want to participate further?

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?

In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

Entropy is not subject to entropy. It's rate could change I imagine, for any reason.

en·tro·py
/ˈentrəpē/
noun

1. 
   PHYSICS
   a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
2. 
   lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
   "a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme"

 

[Gottservant]

Entropy is not subject to entropy. It's rate could change I imagine.

Ok, sure, but what are you basing that on?

If the energy in the universe runs out, so will the energy to communicate the word "Entropy"?

I'm serious, the word should matter, not just mean.

 

[Sabertooth]

What do you mean? The letters of "Entropy" are not energized?

If you are talking about the word, entropy, you might have a convoluted point. I had understood the OP to be talking about the entropy process.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ok, sure, but what are you basing that on?

If the energy in the universe runs out, so will the energy to communicate the word "Entropy"?

I'm serious, the word should matter, not just mean.

Yes, as a different tact, the ability to communicate ideas should decline as well.
None of this will happen, God willing, but the theory remains:

Heat death of the universe - Wikipedia

.

 

[Radagast]

Don't tell me entropy asserts everything decays, but not the word "Entropy"?

The theory of entropy does not assert "everything decays." It asserts:

• S = kB ln Ω
  
• ΔS is greater than or equal to a certain lower bound

What that means is that certain chemical and physical changes (such as a smashed egg spontaneously reassembling itself) are effectively impossible.

 

[Gottservant]

Yes, as a different tact, the ability to communicate ideas should decline as well.
None of this will happen, God willing, but the theory remains:

Heat death of the universe - Wikipedia

.

That makes sense.

Ideas decay.

I like that!

 

[Gottservant]

The theory of entropy does not assert "everything decays." It asserts:

• S = kB ln Ω
  
• ΔS is greater than or equal to a certain lower bound

What that means is that certain chemical and physical changes (such as a smashed egg spontaneously reassembling itself) are effectively impossible.

You will have to excuse me, I don't have any great talent with formula.

Are you saying "entropy" is represented (in part) by S, or not? or kB, or not?

Unless you mean "entropy is just a word", such that its decay is equal with every other word? Or less than every other word, not taken together?

 

[Radagast]

Are you saying "entropy" is represented (in part) by S, or not? or kB, or not?

S in the formula is entropy, yes.

kB is the Boltzmann constant, 1.380649×10^-23.

But my main point is that "entropy" has a specific scientific meaning, given by the formula. It cannot be meaningfully used simply as a metaphor.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi there,

So I don't understand this: "Entropy" must be subject to entropy?

I suppose part of my confusion is "how much", that is: Entropy is subject to entropy, as a word, which is the least possible entropy?

In other words, even though "Entropy" decays, it decays the least of anything in the Universe - "Entropy" the word, is not gone, until the Universe is.

I guess the question is: which of us believing in "Entropy", decays the least? (wait a minute! That would be Jesus?)

entropy being disorder in a system.

while saying decay, decays, is poetic, what was the point you had in mind?

 

[Radagast]

entropy being disorder in a system.

I don't think that's an accurate characterisation of what entropy is. Like I said, the scientific definition is S = kB ln Ω.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't think that's an accurate characterisation of what entropy is.

en·tro·py
/ˈentrəpē/



noun
noun: entropy; plural noun: entropies; symbol: S

1. 1.
   Physics
   a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
2. 2.
   lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.

It has more than one meaning.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

But my main point is that "entropy" has a specific scientific meaning, given by the formula. It cannot be meaningfully used simply as a metaphor.

Dude, you're a Christian, it's okay to parable naturally occurring phenomena.

 

[Radagast]

en·tro·py
/ˈentrəpē/



noun
noun: entropy; plural noun: entropies; symbol: S

1. 1.
   Physics
   a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
2. 2.
   lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.

It has more than one meaning.

The scientific definition given there is the first part of #1. Yes, the word is used informally to mean "disorder," but that's not scientifically accurate.

And anyway you should look up technical scientific words in a scientific dictionary. The definition in the Oxford Dictionary of Science is:

entropy: Symbol S. A measure of the unavailability of a system's energy to do work.​

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The scientific definition given there is the first part of #1. Yes, the word is used informally to mean "disorder," but that's not scientifically accurate.

And anyway you should look up technical scientific words in a scientific dictionary. The definition in the Oxford Dictionary of Science is:

entropy: Symbol S. A measure of the unavailability of a system's energy to do work.​

A little off topic tho, since the OP was referring to it's metaphorical application.

 

[Radagast]

it's okay to parable naturally occurring phenomena.

Not if you want scientific results.