I don't believe anyone, including the poor, is helped via the involuntary seizure of the fruits of one's labor.
So, you don't believe in taxes. There is nothing further for us to discuss.
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I don't believe anyone, including the poor, is helped via the involuntary seizure of the fruits of one's labor.
So, you don't believe in taxes. There is nothing further for us to discuss.
About as much as she paid into private insurance, personally. Why?In your mother's lifetime, how much has she contributed into Medicare...personally?
You're wrong. I'm sure you think you're right. You're not. You live with the benefits of the things that taxes pay for and there is no way to say "I will not use those so I'm not paying for them." Police are going to come when called, as will fire. You drive on roads. Roaming gangs don't take your things and demand payment for protection. You have electricity and water and gas. You eat food that is not likely to poison you because someone decided to sell it anyway even though it's gone bad. Recalls of dangerous products are enforced. All because of taxes. I can go on for quite a long time here. But I doubt you care. You're inoculated with this "antigovernment" thing...Charities and churches do a far better job at helping the poor without enabling them or disincentivizing them to get out of poverty, whereas the government programs do exactly the opposite.
I don't believe compulsory taxation is fair, right, or just. I believe that the public ownership of labor and the fruits thereof is one step away from public slavery. I know we had taxes before the 16th amendment was ratified, and had a functioning government. I believe the federal government is grossly overreaching in their Constitutional scope and size.
There is now nothing in the Constitution that forbids the government taxing us all at 100% if they certainly wanted to thanks to the 16th.
You're wrong. I'm sure you think you're right. You're not. You live with the benefits of the things that taxes pay for and there is no way to say "I will not use those so I'm not paying for them." Police are going to come when called, as will fire. You drive on roads. Roaming gangs don't take your things and demand payment for protection. You have electricity and water and gas. You eat food that is not likely to poison you because someone decided to sell it anyway even though it's gone bad. Recalls of dangerous products are enforced. All because of taxes. I can go on for quite a long time here. But I doubt you care. You're inoculated with this "antigovernment" thing...
A charity can just stop at any moment. When things get really bad it can change its rules and give to only blonde haired Norwegian fruitbats if it chooses. That's the thing about charities. They can only help Catholics, or Jews, or Muslims. So with limited resources when things get bad they have to determine who they'll help. And if you're not one of the people they decide is "on their list" then you're just out of luck. It's why charities are NOT a good idea and NOT a better option than our government that helps all of us.
Your version of the world is sad and awful. I frankly don't care if some people are never lifted out of poverty as long as most are. But you'll be pointing at those few forever and screaming. Who cares? So we helped a few that didn't make it. Big deal. A couple were frauds. That's no reason to end the entire program when so many others were helped.
If you don't like paying for the things you get then take the advice conservatives have been giving us for years now. Leave. Go on. Get up and leave. Take your conservative self and just be gone. But if you're going to stay then pay for what you get here. Clean water, clean air, decent food and civilization.
And get vaccinated. It's part of living in society.
I'll take the left's tactic; stay and ensure our government is by the people.
What you are is, frankly, against other people using *your* money for things *you* don't agree with that day. It falls flat when compared to all the times anyone has protested against war or violence or I dunno, police killing citizens and you've painted them as "commies" or some other derogatory, demeaning slap in the face. Income tax isn't fun but it works pretty well. It's better than a VAT tax or the so-call "flat tax" which isn't flat or fair. And it avoids having more affluent municipalities providing their citizens services that other places cannot provide.You're misconstruing my position. I'm not anti-government nor anti-tax; I am against compulsory taxes on income. I could break down all your examples, but you and I both know that most of those things are paid for with state and local taxes, or are privately provided.
Today. For the most part. Again, don't skim. Read. When things get bad as they tend to do every few decades and your charities have to choose who they will help with their limited funds... Everybody or their flock? And I can't help but constantly picture Joel Osteen closing and locking his beautiful Basketball arena when Houston flooded. Charities do whatever they want. The government is us. All of us.Not true. Churches just don't help Christians and leave everyone else out.
Until you do and until you're vaccinated stay home and don't pretend you can be a part of society. Thanks.That's a discussion I'm happy to have between myself and my doctor. Thanks.
You're misconstruing my position. I'm not anti-government nor anti-tax; I am against compulsory taxes on income..
All taxes are compulsory.
You are opposed to income taxes.
What federal taxes do you favor to pay for the military, and other federal responsibilities?
What types of local taxes do you favor.
We all understand that charities should have a major role. But they should not be counted on to do all of social spending. For example, in NH the Roman Catholic Church spends more than the state local governments.
Let me hazard a guess. You consume far more conservative media than other kinds...Not really. There's taxes on liquor and lottery of which I don't pay because I don't drink or play the lotto. No one forced me to buy a house, but knowing that I must pay property taxes comes with the territory. Tariffs are okay in my book. I like the idea of the FAIR Tax. I am okay with local sales taxes, which can be partially escaped by growing your own food.
I think all charities combined could do more common good and do not. I think that government programs incentivize poverty and punish coming out of it. Most charities don't have this habit nor effect, and help build relationships. No one has a relationship with their WIC provider.
A tariff on say, China, is something you end up paying if you purchase anything made in China. No manufacturer ever just pays the tariff or tax. They simply add the cost onto whatever it is they make and pass that on to the end purchaser.
The FAIR Tax is unfair to lower income earners.
No - it isn't. Perhaps you have the fair tax mixed up with a flat tax.
How FAIRtax Works
The FairTax provides a progressive program called a prebate. This gives every legal resident household an “advance refund” at the beginning of each month so that purchases made up to the poverty level are tax-free. The prebate prevents an unfair burden on low-income families. Learn more .
It is an interesting read.
It is different. Sort of a VAT tax. Not sure how I feel about it yet.No - it isn't. Perhaps you have the fair tax mixed up with a flat tax.
How FAIRtax Works
The FairTax provides a progressive program called a prebate. This gives every legal resident household an “advance refund” at the beginning of each month so that purchases made up to the poverty level are tax-free. The prebate prevents an unfair burden on low-income families. Learn more .
It is an interesting read.
Let us stipulate that the poor will be given payments that will end up offsetting their taxes.
What you want for the billionaires to pay the same on their consumption as those making $100K. You think that this is "fair".
I think that a progressive system is more fair in that the result is a more fair society.
I get it that some would have the billionaires pay the same tax on their planes as the Middle Class would pay on their college educations. I just disagree.
It is different. Sort of a VAT tax. Not sure how I feel about it yet.
Similar to a VAT - but lower income people come out way ahead of where they are now and there are no loopholes - no IRS - no complex forms.
What happens when we start a robust black market?
I like the idea of the FAIR Tax. I am okay with local sales taxes, which can be partially escaped by growing your own food.
Fair: Equitable - an even plying field. Yeah that's what is right.
Keeping in mind it eliminated Federal Income tax for both employee and company. Your take home pay is not taxed.
A family makes 100k and spends 60k - Fair tax is 23% (housing is not included) 23% would be 13,800
A family making 1 billion - and spends 100 million (low est) 23% would be 23,000,000 a year
All the loop holes are closed - tell me - who is paying more in taxes?
Think about this as a side note: - the hundreds of millions made in illegal drugs, now pay taxes through their purchases.