Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

[4x4toy]

Great. What's the theory of Intelligent Design?

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa .. Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death .. Sorry, I ain't buying .. ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go .. Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..

 

[Armoured]

Good question...maybe just have a set standard...go by what the scripture says...day 1 God created light...etc...then maybe make note of touch on all categories for further discussion...really just boils down to which book gets picked overall

Why Biblical Creationism? Why not Hindu Creationism? Or Norse?

 

[Speedwell]

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa .. Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death .. Sorry, I ain't buying .. ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go .. Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..

That's fine, we know how you feel, but that is not the subject of the thread.

Which is, how would Creationists expect to deal with the practical problems of teaching their doctrine in public school science classes.

 

[Armoured]

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa .. Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death .. Sorry, I ain't buying .. ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go .. Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..

Evolution doesn't say any of the things you say it says.

 

[Armoured]

Since some are now pushing various laws to prevent school districts from placing any standards on what teachers teach in science class... the most likely answer is that students would learn whatever their specific teacher wanted to teach.

How can you standardize something when the whole point is to reject the scientific consensus?

Teach the Auðumbla controversy!

 

[4x4toy]

That's fine, we know how you feel, but that is not the subject of the thread.

Which is, how would Creationists expect to deal with the practical problems of teaching their doctrine in public school science classes.

"Snaps fingers" Hey look this way when you're talkin to me .. ..

 

[Skreeper]

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa .. Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death .. Sorry, I ain't buying .. ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go .. Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..

Do you think any of this stuff you just spouted is news?

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa

No scientist ever has claimed that a finch can turn into a tortoise. Only creationists misrepresent evolution as some sort of new Pokemon game.

Or that enough time DNA will form and function on it's own then change it's code and information on it's own ,then program its own death

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Ever heard of mutations?

ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap

Irreducible complexity has been debunked so many times it's not funny anymore to repeat that argument.

that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go

We actually understand very well how the eye EVOLVED. Here have a look you might learn something: The evolution of the human eye

Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment

This boils down to the fine-tuning of the universe. Actually life is fine tuned for the universe and not the other way around.

Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA

Please define "kinds" and then point out where exactly this mystical barrier is that prevents speciation.

 

[Mike Lane]

Teach the controversy!

The only controversy there is is in the minds of creationists, it's like saying: we are being attacked should we use a tank to defend ourselves or pray? that's some controversy.

 

[4x4toy]

Do you think any of this stuff you just spouted is news?



No scientist ever has claimed that a finch can turn into a tortoise. Only creationists misrepresent evolution as some sort of new Pokemon game.



I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Ever heard of mutations?



Irreducible complexity has been debunked so many times it's not funny anymore to repeat that argument.



We actually understand very well how the eye EVOLVED. Here have a look you might learn something: The evolution of the human eye



This boils down to the fine-tuning of the universe. Actually life is fine tuned for the universe and not the other way around.



Please define "kinds" and then point out where exactly this mystical barrier is that prevents speciation.

 

[Skreeper]

You are not really good at this whole "argument and debate" thing, are you?

 

[4x4toy]

In weight lifting competition, if you miss your turn at the present lift , it is customary to go on to the next higher lift and never take weight off to accommodate the tardy lifter by taking weight back off the bar . When you get up to my weight I will let you know and make the lift ..

 

[Mike Lane]

You are not really good at this whole "argument and debate" thing, are you?

I honestly don't think you can put the blame him.

 

[Skreeper]

In weight lifting competition, if you miss your turn at the present lift , it is customary to go on to the next higher lift and never take weight off to accommodate the tardy lifter by taking weight back off the bar . When you get up to my weight I will let you know and make the lift ..

Since this is a debate and no weight lifting competition I'll eagerly await your counter-arguments to the points I made. Or you could concede that you just parroted the '101 bad creationist arguments'.

 

[4x4toy]

Since this is a debate and no weight lifting competition I'll eagerly await your counter-arguments to the points I made. Or you could concede that you just parroted the '101 bad creationist arguments'.

Skreeper !!!

 

[sfs]

ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap or that the eye could ever be anything but designed ,useless unless whole and functional from the get-go .. Every creature and plant serves it's purpose and is perfect in it's perfect environment . Some may adapt and breed out certain traits to become recessive or dominate but kinds remain kinds limited to unchanging information contained and well defined in their DNA ..But we all know these things, just can't discuss them without the Political Correct police rushing it to shout it down .. I will not be moved ..

That's not a theory at all, as far as I can see, and it's certainly not a scientific theory. What would you actually teach? What is the content of ID beyond "I can see that an intelligent being designed living things." What are the predictions? What are the tests? Where's the data? What are the mechanisms? I know what the content of a course in physics should cover, and in chemistry, and in biology (including evolution, by the way), but I have no idea what an ID course would cover.

 

[Skreeper]

Skreeper !!!

Thank you kindly for proving my point.

 

[4x4toy]

That's not a theory at all, as far as I can see, and it's certainly not a scientific theory. What would you actually teach? What is the content of ID beyond "I can see that an intelligent being designed living things." What are the predictions? What are the tests? Where's the data? What are the mechanisms? I know what the content of a course in physics should cover, and in chemistry, and in biology (including evolution, by the way), but I have no idea what an ID course would cover.

I would simply introduce that evolution is a theory and there are many who don't believe it and here is what they believe and why .. We have threads and pages and pages right here on these forums .. Each side as convinced as the other with many good points provoking thought ... Just like in chess , the more you play the sharper you get in your thought and problem solving ..

 

[Speedwell]

I would simply introduce that evolution is a theory and there are many who don't believe it and here is what they believe and why .. We have threads and pages and pages right here on these forums .. Each side as convinced as the other with many good points provoking thought ... Just like in chess , the more you play the sharper you get in your thought and problem solving ..

But there isn't any reason to believe it except a literal interpretation of Genesis. Which brings me back to my question: What about the teachers? Where are you going to get qualified science teachers who know enough about YEC Bible doctrine to teach and answer questions about it effectively?

 

[4x4toy]

But there isn't any reason to believe it except a literal interpretation of Genesis. Which brings me back to my question: What about the teachers? Where are you going to get qualified science teachers who know enough about YEC Bible doctrine to teach and answer questions about it effectively?

I don't see how any science teacher can deny ID as a viable alternative to Evolution theory, but ostracizing those who do or would isn't the answer imo . Give both sides and think for yourself. How do we get things done ? We have inspirational thought then apply it by acting on it , an idea becomes substance when you plan and act on it ..

 

[AV1611VET]

That's apparently how the Creationists feel about it.

Not this creationist.