Hypocrisy of the Democrats: Building Walls and Demading ID

[Adam56]

The DNC wants to protect the folks inside just like the RNC wanted to protect those inside. The Secret Service is involved in both conventions regarding security as they provide protection to the candidates. Why is that so hard to understand?

It’s not hard to understand. I’m suggesting that ID should apply in other cases where it’s important as well.

Voter fraud like this?

Iowa woman found guilty of voter fraud in support of Republican husband

Kim Taylor of Woodbury county given eight-month custodial sentence for helping Jeremy Taylor fraudulently win election

www.theguardian.com

An Iowa woman found guilty on 52 counts of voter fraud, carried out in support of her Republican husband, was given an eight-month custodial sentence.​

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Kim Taylor, of Woodbury county, will serve four months in prison and four in home confinement, KTIV, a Sioux City TV station, reported. Subject to two years’ supervised release, Taylor will also pay $5,200......​

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“After Taylor’s husband lost in the primary, he ran for Woodbury county supervisor … and Taylor again engaged in ballot fraud, causing absentee ballots to be fraudulently requested and cast.​

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“Taylor submitted or caused others to submit dozens of voter registrations, absentee ballot request forms, and absentee ballots containing false information. Taylor completed and signed voter forms without voters’ permission and told others that they could sign on behalf of relatives who were not present.”​

Are u trying to make a point here?

 

[Adam56]

The OP is absolutely incoherent. What a stupid comparison.. I would like some of those people who seem to approve of it to give rational reasons why you agree with it. I guess the only logical reason is that it's the season for looney tunes.

I would like you to explain why it’s incoherent and a stupid comparison. Instead you give some snarky comment.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

It is pretty hypocritical to complain about the DNC security practices when the RNC had a security perimeter and required ID.

Respectfully, I do not think you understood the point. Unless something has changed and I was not aware, the RNC is not going around telling people that walls don't work and requiring photo IDs are racist. But I could be wrong.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Respectfully, I do not think you understood the point. Unless something has changed and I was not aware, the RNC is not going around telling people that walls don't work and requiring photo IDs are racist. But I could be wrong.

No, I got it.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, I got it.

Okay. I will just fly away now. Blessings.

 

[Adam56]

I think you need to refer to the posts made by the person who was trying to reason with you. You failed to give a rational answer to any of those posts.

I think you need to quote someone when responding to them so they get the notification.

It's one thing to say you don't agree with some state's voter ID requirements. It's irrational to tie it to security requirements of their convention. It's seriously twisted logic.

No it’s not, it’s pointing out hypocrisy of the Democrats.

I hope the OP doesn't make various life's decisions using twisted logic, nor those who here agree with that twisted logic.

Save the false condescending concerns, you fail to answer questions and merely just repeat “twisted logic”, ad nauseam.

 

[A_JAY]

No it’s not, it’s pointing out hypocrisy of the Democrats.

Your response noted.

 

[loveofourlord]

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do republicans not know the differences in the two? Or just being obtuse, you seriously don't think there is a difference between miles long million if not billion dollar wall that won't even do what they want to do vs protection for some of the highest people in the country?

Also ID's are not the issue, it's asking for ID's that many of the country don't have easy access to, almost like they don't want african americans and others voting because they won't vote for republicans.

 

[loveofourlord]

Walls Work

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

I noticed you ignored the part about the electoral college and House of Representatives.

no it’s not.

yeah....and guess what, in 2022 republicans got more seats then democrats infact I democrats lost a couple in some places.

 

[Adam56]

between miles long million if not billion dollar wall that won't even do what they want to do

Walls Work

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Also ID's are not the issue, it's asking for ID's that many of the country don't have easy access to, almost like they don't want african americans and others voting because they won't vote for republicans.

A photo ID is not some insanely difficult thing to obtain. Don’t be racist towards black people please.

 

[Adam56]

yeah....and guess what, in 2022 republicans got more seats then democrats infact I democrats lost a couple in some places.

That’s because people flee California and New York because those states are poorly run by Democrats.

 

[loveofourlord]

That’s because people flee California and New York because those states are poorly run by Democrats.

The point is the democrats got no new seats from the millions of illegal immgarnts you guys claim are causing them to win more elections.

 

[BPPLEE]

It is pretty hypocritical to complain about the DNC security practices when the RNC had a security perimeter and required ID.
At both of these events, a presidential candidate was there and many other party official, senators and representatives. Last night, the President of the US.was there and tight security is ALWAYS required when the President is there.

Plus, they knew in advance about pro-Palestinian protests would be held, and planned for how to handle it if they became violent or got out of hand.

Republicans support voter ID and securing the border.
I think the OP is pointing out Democrats don't want people to have to show ID to vote but they have to show ID to get in their convention , and they opposed a wall at the border but they will put one up for their own protection

 

[rjs330]

Walls do not keep out immigrants when they are flying in. Nor do they stop immigrants who are applying for asylum.
Immigration does not benefit Democrats more than Republicans.

They help keep out illegals on the ground. It's not there to keep out those in airplanes. Just like the walls at the DNC won't keep out anyone from flying in. Yet they use them anyway.

IDs are required to attend the DNC the same way tickets are required to attend a concert.

And IDs should be required to vote.

 

[camille70]

There is a clear difference between using walls and border security measures that cut back and limit the massive illegal immigration as compared to actions that would reduce illegal immigration to zero. Also, if y'all truly believe that massive illegal immigration is NOT something that the Democratic Party believes helps them, then why has the current administration allowed millions and millions of illegal immigrants across our borders since January 2021?

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[rjs330]

is pretty hypocritical to complain about the DNC security practices when the RNC had a security perimeter and required ID.

No one is complaining. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. We want security around our borders to help.protect the rest of us too. See the difference is we see the reason for it. The Democrats don't.

 

[rjs330]

Responding to the OP, it is very reasonable for the DNC to make sure those that entered were allowed to enter.so as to protect the candidate and others. A better comparison would have been if the Dems critiize the GOP for checking ID but then did it themselves.



ID is required to vote. I have voted in 4 states - MI, WA, TX and AZ. In each state (different times), I had to bring a birth certificate to the DMV in order to get a driver's license and I registered to vote at the same time. I do mail in voting in AZ and they compare signatures, I get a notification when it is received, when the signature is cleared, when the ballot is scanned and then when it is finally counted.
What the Dems balk at is the purging of voter rolls by one side, required new ID from the elderly who have voted for 70 years but their ID was lost at some point. There were other things - like reducing early voting, bills that required 2 forms of ID for absentee voting, restricted mail in voting, and restriction of some forms of ID.

You should have to provide a birth certificate to register (I'm actually okay with grandfathering in 70-100 year olds due to the lack of record keeping in the old days).

Then you should have to provide ID at the polling place and some way to prove who you are if you vote by mail. I'm for free ID for the elderly as well since they often will lose their license to be able to drive and can't have a drivers license.

 

[rjs330]

They climb over walls.

So? You wouldn't make that argument against the fences at the DNC would you?

Responding to the OP, it is very reasonable for the DNC to make sure those that entered were allowed to enter.so as to protect the candidate and others. A better comparison would have been if the Dems critiize the GOP for checking ID but then did it themselves.

Bingo. It's reasonable for the US to make sure that those that enter the cou try are allowed to enter to better protect rhe citizens of rhe country.

Voter fraud like this?

Yes, all voter fraud. You think we only want to protect ourselves from Democrat voters fraud?

 

[Adam56]

The point is the democrats got no new seats from the millions of illegal immgarnts you guys claim are causing them to win more elections.

If Trump doesn’t deport them in 2030 there will be new seats.

 

[FreeinChrist]

So? You wouldn't make that argument against the fences at the DNC would you?

Bingo. It's reasonable for the US to make sure that those that enter the cou try are allowed to enter to better protect rhe citizens of rhe country.

Yes, all voter fraud. You think we only want to protect ourselves from Democrat voters fraud?

Voter fraud isn't the big bogeyman the right wants to make it out to be.

A paper it would be wise to read:

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

Toward the end:

The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election. Electoral integrity is key to our democracy, and politicians who genuinely care about protecting our elections should focus not on phantom fraud concerns, but on those abuses that actually threaten election security. As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.​

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The bigger problem, and what Democrats argue against, are measures such as decreasing the amount of time for early in-person voting, restricting mail in voting, adding additional ID requirements. and reducing voting poll places in particular districts like predominantly non-white areas so that the lines are very long in an effort to discourage voting,