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Hypocrisy of the Democrats: Building Walls and Demading ID

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Voter fraud isn't the big bogeyman the right wants to make it out to be.

A paper it would be wise to read:


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The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election. Electoral integrity is key to our democracy, and politicians who genuinely care about protecting our elections should focus not on phantom fraud concerns, but on those abuses that actually threaten election security. As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.​
 
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You should have to provide a birth certificate to register (I'm actually okay with grandfathering in 70-100 year olds due to the lack of record keeping in the old days).
Which I did as explained earlier. In each of the 4 states that I have lived in, I had to produce a birth certificate in order to get a drivier's license and registered to vote at the same time.

In fact, many states are requiring enhanced driver's licenses in order to fly, I have one and had to supply my birth certificate, social security card and proof of address as in a utility bill.
Then you should have to provide ID at the polling place and some way to prove who you are if you vote by mail. I'm for free ID for the elderly as well since they often will lose their license to be able to drive and can't have a drivers license.
I have no problem with that, as AZ has had that for a long time. But they accept a variety of sources, including non - photo tribal cards.
 
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fear-mongering junk
 
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If Trump doesn’t deport them in 2030 there will be new seats.

No argument. I’m not surprised.
there was no steal. Trump's complaint was just a big lie.

FBI director Wray denied the election was stolen. Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr denied that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election:

Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.​

A stop the steal site has the crediblity of Rudy Giuliani - none.
 
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Ok, why is it different for Democrats to require ID at the DNC but not require ID for voting?
For one thing, there's not a government body set up to pre-check the validity of people's eligibility to attend the DNC like there is for voting.

Also, there's not a history of using ID checks at the DNC to disenfranchise minority voters, but there are for GOP-led voter ID schemes.

Attendance at the DNC isn't a fundamental right, voting is.

Lots of differences. Any particular reason for asking?
 
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there was no steal. Trump's complaint was just a big lie.

FBI director Wray denied the election was stolen. Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr denied that there was voter fraud in the 2020 election:

Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.​

A stop the steal site has the crediblity of Rudy Giuliani - none.
Well if Bill Barr says so it must be true!

Either way voter fraud is within the realm of possibility, it’s best to eliminate that possibility, by requiring photo ID.
 
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Voter fraud isn't the big bogeyman the right wants to make it out to be.

A paper it would be wise to read:


Toward the end:

The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election. Electoral integrity is key to our democracy, and politicians who genuinely care about protecting our elections should focus not on phantom fraud concerns, but on those abuses that actually threaten election security. As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.​
The bigger problem, and what Democrats argue against, are measures such as decreasing the amount of time for early in-person voting, restricting mail in voting, adding additional ID requirements. and reducing voting poll places in particular districts like predominantly non-white areas so that the lines are very long in an effort to discourage voting,
I dont believe it. In this say and age there isn't any great investigatory methodology to detect voter fraud. Mail in voting and early voting are easy ways to commit fraud.

You know they found problems with the voting machines integrities right. But it's too late to do anything about it this election cycle. No I think there is far more fraud that is taking place than people know about.
 
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So I guess voting isn’t important to be well regulated?
You'd have to check the Constitution for that, but not so much that it leaves out legitimate voters. I certainly think the Electoral Votes need to be regulated, but Republicans apparently think they can send fake Electors.
 
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