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If your bore Christ, I'd sing about you. We have hymns about the Apostles. hymns about other Saints as well. But the glory is God's.So If I pray for you, shouldn't I also have hymns sung about me during worship services? Should people sing about me saving them?
If?
Misunderstandings abound. This is not a worship service.
Hypothetically the answer would be yes - and why not?
Where does kneeling before a statue come into this? Orthodox Christians don't do that.
I am still wondering why people have issue with (for lack of a better term and to simplify things) choosing to "give a shout out/pay respects" to Mary for her role in changing the world. No one would trip if we sung "Father Abraham" in services nor would they claim "How dare you focus on Abraham being the patriarch of our faith and note respect to him in song!!!" - so why they do so with Mary I don't know...If?
Misunderstandings abound. This is not a worship service.
The EOC have some very beautiful Icons.Of course I know that. I was responding to a Catholic poster. In Catholicism this is standard practice.
In your church icons are used, instead.
Who do you think has such an issue?Gxg (G²);66184951 said:I am still wondering why people have issue with (for lack of a better term and to simplify things) choosing to "give a shout out/pay respects" to Mary for her role in changing the world.
No, but statements like that make for so much more drama.
I'm also not aware of "making an offering" to a statue, which to me sounds even more problematic!
But you do pay your doctor and you thank him for his life saving work and you very likely tell others about what he did for you. Yet God is not diminished by any of that. In the same way when a Christian has been saved from some peril or temptation or some other thing after asking Blessed Mary to intercede for them they quite naturally thank Mary for her intercession, some will give a donation to the church in her name, and they are likely to tell others what Mary's intercession did for them. And God is not diminished by any of that.
Apparently you have not been in many Catholic churches. In various Catholic churches there are side altars and sometimes even chapels devoted to various saints and Mary. At these there is an array of candles which can be lit by the petitioner and there is a box to receive offerings, as well.
Many protestant hymns are about self and the wonders we receive from God.
But, I do think that God would be greatly diminished if I knelt down in front of my doctor and prayed to him as I would to God.
But, I do think that God would be greatly diminished if I knelt down in front of my doctor and prayed to him as I would to God.
God is not diminished by anything you can do or say. That is a fundamental truth which must be grasped. And nobody that I have ever met prays to Mary (or a doctor) as God or believes that Mary (or a doctor) is God.But, I do think that God would be greatly diminished if I knelt down in front of my doctor and prayed to him as I would to God.
Can we at least agree that prayer and worship are different?
No. To be more precise, we cannot say that categorically.
For instance, in the hymn that was the impetus for this thread, the prayer IS worship. That's embodied in the lyrics. It, like the Rosary, is both a petition AND a devotional to the person addressed. Her alleged powers and qualities are extolled and affirmed, etc., so--depending on what those allegations are-- it is worship of a sort.
Okay, so what exactly makes a prayer worship? Are there prayers that are not worship? Or are the two always synonymous?
I hope you exhibit some sort of respect for a man that saved your life.
The Old and New Testament are filled with stories of people kneeling and pleading with other in a higher position. Is that looked upon as worship? When did an utter show of respect and humility become outdated? When did a select few decide that kneeling equals worship? Seems to me that humility and respect has taken a back seat to ME.
Well, I thought I had just explained how it can be both prayer and worship. It's a matter of the contents of the wording and perhaps the behavior that accompanies it (if it does).
Of course there are prayers that are NOT worship. A prayer that is actually a request for intercession I would not call worship, even though I consider the practice unScriptural and superfluous. The usual response we hear from folks who favor prayer to the saints is that it's just like asking your neighbor to help you, to pray for you, etc. That's a false analogy, but that kind of prayer is indeed what some prayers are like.
OTOH, with those that have wording like we find in this hymn, we are dealing with professions of belief in the God-like powers or authority of the one petitioned. That's worship. That's not merely a request for intercession.
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