How to walk in the Spirit.

[Hmm]

He still can't figure out how to reconcile to his "Teaching" the 12 Pauline Scriptures I presented to him.

Something is amiss (translate: something is rotten in Denmark).

Indeed. Ham-let me outta here!

 

[Clare73]

Looking good...
Doh!
For some reason, I wish I hadn't this morning.

Well, if i didn't understand that God is A Spirit ...the Holy Spirit, then i would feel the way you do, no doubt.

That's the way the fallen angels think.

If God really understood their objection, he would not have consigned them to hell.

Something is really amiss (translate: something is really rotten in Denmark).

 

[Clare73]

That’s exactly what I said. They are copies they weren’t translated in to Greek. You said they were translated into Greek.



The Latin Vulgate was translated to Latin from the Greek texts by Gerome in the late 4th century. So your completely wrong.

Ahem. . .that's Jerome. . .to be discussed later.

 

[fhansen]

And that sets you in disagreement with Ephesians 2:8-9 because:
1) true faith always results in works, without them it is not true faith, it is counterfeit faith; and

Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

2) the text states: "through faith. . .not by works, so that no one can boast,"
because "Salvation is the Lord's!" (Revelation 7:10)--100%, to which we have nothing to add.

Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration. We can't possibly be saved apart from God, that is obvious. But salvation is nonetheless worked out-with Him. There are way too many verses speaking of a believer's need to persevere, to strive, to be vigilant, perfect, holy, refrain from sin, put to death the deeds of the flesh, remain in Him, etc etc, to gain eternal life along with other verses that speak of the possibility of losing it. So we know that salvation is an ongoing thing, and that it involves what we do once we're justified.
"Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." Acts 2:16

"Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matt 24:12-13

In Ephesians Paul is focused on battling legalism, where works of the law, performed on my own under the old covenant mentality, was said to make one righteous in God's eyes-as Paul thought he was as a Pharisee. But either way only the righteous are truly righteous as John affirms:
"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 1:7-8

And this true righteousness comes only by fellowship with Him, through faith IOW. So when Paul speaks of being saved he means to say that you've now entered the family of God, the only place of salvation. He does not mean that you can't lose that place in the family, that you can't forfeit/reject your saved status, by, yes, returning to the flesh, by grave sin as listed in Scripture, by being unrighteous. The elect are His, they will persevere- He'll lose none of them. We can't possibly predict that perseverance for ourselves, however-or know with 100% perfect certainty that we're among that number.

 

[fhansen]

Less temptations.

And in my opinion a genuine Christian doesn't need to worry about eternal torment.

As long as he's a genuine one. And remains there.

 

[Clare73]

Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

Your own proof text shows that it is faith working.

Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration.

Are you sure about that?
.

 

[fhansen]

Your own proof text shows that it is faith working

But only through love. Again, it all begins with faith because faith is the doorway to He who is love, and who causes that love within us. But the two are not the same. Both are gifts, and human choices. And faith can exist without love.

Your own proof text shows that it is faith working.
Are you sure about that?
.

Well, yes. I referenced some relevant reasons.

 

[ozso]

As long as he's a genuine one. And remains there.

In my opinion remaining is a prerequisite of being genuine.

 

[ozso]

Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration. We can't possibly be saved apart from God, that is obvious. But salvation is nonetheless worked out-with Him. There are way too many verses speaking of a believer's need to persevere, to strive, to be vigilant, perfect, holy, refrain from sin, put to death the deeds of the flesh, remain in Him, etc etc, to gain eternal life along with other verses that speak of the possibility of losing it. So we know that salvation is an ongoing thing, and that it involves what we do once we're justified.
"Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." Acts 2:16

"Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matt 24:12-13

In Ephesians Paul is focused on battling legalism, where works of the law, performed on my own under the old covenant mentality, was said to make one righteous in God's eyes-as Paul thought he was as a Pharisee. But either way only the righteous are truly righteous as John affirms:
"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 1:7-8

And this true righteousness comes only by fellowship with Him, through faith IOW. So when Paul speaks of being saved he means to say that you've now entered the family of God, the only place of salvation. He does not mean that you can't lose that place in the family, that you can't forfeit/reject your saved status, by, yes, returning to the flesh, by grave sin as listed in Scripture, by being unrighteous. The elect are His, they will persevere- He'll lose none of them. We can't possibly predict that perseverance for ourselves, however-or know with 100% perfect certainty that we're among that number.

I'm sure you'll agree with what's being said in this short video:

 

[ozso]

Your reward might show it, because much of your doctrine would be wood, hay and stubble.

In my experience when you're not at your best spiritually, you're missing out both in this age and in the age to come.

 

[ozso]

Nope, I already understood why you don’t understand the interpretation of the scriptures, because you reject the interpretations from the men who were taught by the authors. These men didn’t have to read the scriptures and try to determine what the author meant because they were taught by the apostles themselves. They followed them and listened to them preach for years. Your whole theology is based on doctrines created by men over 1500 years after the scriptures were written who were trying to figure out what the authors were teaching. So yes I think it’s very helpful to examine the teachings of the student to determine the teachings of their teacher instead of ignoring what the student who talked and lived with the teachers on a daily basis actually wrote.

@Sidon what you are teaching didn't really didn't become a thing until Calvin. So wouldn't that mean that no one was born again until then?

 

[Ligurian]

Now I don't have to buy a Bible!

(Too many disconnected references in your post.)

You're welcome. Jesus quotes the LXX.

 

[Ligurian]

Paul isn't one of the 12.

Exactly! which means Saul of Tarsus is not prayed for in John 17. Who doesn't know this? What point did you think I was making? Paul is not one of the 12. What that means to me is obviously not what it means to you because you don't understand what the last chapter of Matthew means.

Jesus did go to Heaven and returned, after having received all authority in Heaven and Earth... and STILL told the 11 disciples who continued with Him to teach the nations/gentiles exactly what Jesus had preached to them from the beginning. (Matthew 28:18-20) I'm not guessing.

I follow Jesus by reading the quotations of Jesus which were written down by the men who walked with Him and learned the Kingdom Gospel from the very Son of God.

 

[Ligurian]

Be more concise.
Share with the readers here that until '1961 the Catholic Church restricted their followers from reading the bible, and they were instructed to only ask their Priest for answers.
In 1961 they finally relented and "allowed" their followers to open a bible and search the scriptures.

'1961".

And you're carrying on their work by telling people not to read the Bible in Greek.

 

[Ligurian]

Yes, thank God.
He alone gives us Eternal life, and this life is "in His Son".

"IN">

And all the born again are : "IN CHRIST", where eternal life EXISTS.

John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent Me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am; that they may behold My glory, which thou hast given Me: for thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world.

 

[Ligurian]

Ezekiel 28:12-19, Isaiah 14, Jude 6, and 2 Peter 2:4

Jezekiel 28 is prophetic future. The LXX that Jesus quotes makes this very clear. And Esaias 14 is the same... in fact, it makes my case even stronger that the Assyrian of Libanus factors into end times. (thank you for pointing this out to me)

Daniel and Revelation are clearly speaking of the same event... which is also prophetic future. In fact, that woe in Revelation 12:12 is the third of 3 woes tied directly to the last 3 trumpets. With these time-stamps, and the connection of the beast from the sea... no, the accuser is still free to come and go from Heaven, at this point in time.

Jude and the Peter letters... they don't match any of the four quoted sections above. What doesn't fit, I have no choice but to set aside. I have no idea what other people do with these things. But Jesus quotes from Daniel just 10 verses after Michael's war in Heaven, and He personally authored the Revelation.

 

[fhansen]

I'm sure you'll agree with what's being said in this short video:

Thank you. I've appreciated his writings in the past-and that video accurately reflects the understanding of the ancient churches including the Catholic church.

Incidentally, I forgot to mention that the last MacArthur video you posted wasn't half bad either-compared to some others I've seen. Not nearly the wisdom of Mr. Ware but it definitely contained some valuable elements of truth.

 

[ozso]

Thank you. I've appreciated his writings in the past-and that video accurately reflects the understanding of the ancient churches including the Catholic church.

Incidentally, I forgot to mention that the last MacArthur video you posted wasn't half bad either-compared to some others I've seen. Not nearly the wisdom of Mr. Ware but it definitely contained some valuable elements of truth.

MacArthur is difficult to figure out. He's totally against both Eastern and Western Catholicism and teaches once saved always saved, but also pretty much spearheaded the current Protestant teaching of Lordship Salvation, which after reading a lot of what you've said, sounds an awful lot like Catholicism. Now Steve Gregg who also teaches Lordship Salvation, also teaches being saved comes with an obligation and you can fail to persevere and lose your salvation.

I'm sure you'll like this short as well.

 

[Sidon]

, to God seeing us as righteous regardless of whether or not we actually are, whether or not we sin or practice lawlessness

You dont establish your own righteousness., as that is Legalism you are constantly defining as your faith.

Righteousness, You receive it from God as the Blood Atonement....."the Gift of Righteousness".

 

[Sidon]

Rather juvenile. . .and self-serving. . .demonstrating no Biblical basis for one's argument.

Assertion without Biblical demonstration."

God is "A" Spirit... John 4:24 , as found in a real bible.