How to walk in the Spirit.

[BNR32FAN]

I can't get you to see that the same message preached to Jews in Act 28, is the same one they heard in Hebrews 10.

you would think........"well, i can see its the same message, and its again lost HEBREWS, but i dont want to accept its the same person giving the same message in the same situation, 2x".

Sure.
np.

Your making an assumption. Were these written by the same author?

“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[ozso]

I can't know a person's heart.
But i can hear what they present and teach on a Forum, as their current theology, which defines their current FAITH.
So, that i can discern through the Light of the Cross.

Also, as you said, it is exactly Christ rejection that is the heart of damnation.

John 3:36

It sounds like you're saying if he was saved, it appears that he currently isn't.

 

[ozso]

Jesus said this..... "You must be born again".


How to get this wrong..

1. ) believing that water causes the new birth
2. ) believing that if you keep commandments, law, and endure to the end, you can save yourself, and that God requires this to accept you.


So, thats basically how you avoid the Cross.

I think most don't know about that stuff when they become saved. It's after they're saved that they start learning about getting baptized and commandments, law and endurance. I think usually their initial experience is being told about and believing in Jesus as their savior.

 

[Hmm]

Its what made me.
Im the end product of the school of the Spirit, and this is for the most part. :

1.) New Testament
2.) Paul
3.) James Kennedy
4.) Adrian Rogers
5.) Lloyd Ogilvie
6.) Studying the life of past Saints who were not of this world but still in it, and what causes this, and how to be the same.
7.) Seminary Training

I also have a lot of practical life experience as i live on both sides of the world, from time to time.
Ive taught Pauline Theology all over the world.
Ive been an "Officer in the Church" including Worship Leading.
My "call" is evangelist , teacher, minstrel.
Ive also had a few secular careers, that all ended over 20 yrs ago.
Ive worked in Healthcare, in Christian Radio, in Industrial Drafting, in Customer Relation services. Ive owned 2 businesses. Im an accomplished Musician, Photographer, and Audiophile.

Ive had some horrific long term life experiences that would have killed me, were it not for the loving Grace of God that kept me alive and supported and sustained, so that i can understand what it means to incredibly suffer and yet never lose HOPE, so that i can impart this to the hurting and the wounded and the lost.
Ive witnessed the spiritually miraculous, with my eyes wide open., and not just once.


What you will notice about my forum lessons is that they all wind up at the same place.

1.) The Cross
2.) The Blood of Jesus

Giving all Credit to Jesus as the author and finisher of our Salvation, is what i PREACH and TEACH.

Pauline Theology.

Philippians 1:6

All very impressive no doubt but you're missing the main point which is that learning is a life-long continuing process. Try to adopt a beginner's mind - you'll be more open to learning from new experiences. Lot's of people here on your thread have tried to help you but you haven't been very receptive to what they have been saying to you. You spoke about branches before and branches need to grow.

 

[Sidon]

What do you think your doing when you read the Bible in English?

No, i never do that.
I dont read it, as you are describing.
I listen to it, so that God's Spirit can show me the revelation that is the reason the verse exists.
This is how to "spiritually discern", the word of God.
If you read it, to try to understand it, then you are using your natural mind to try to figure it out.
The word of God is spiritually discerned, only.

 

[ozso]

Your confusing the church with the body of Christ. They are two different groups. The body of Christ is all believers, the church is the believers that were taught the apostolic teachings and pass on those teachings to others.

Where does it say that in the Bible?

 

[ozso]

IF John is a sinner then He's not born again.

There are no sinners found in heaven.

So, a person has to be changed from sinner to "made righteous" while you are breathing or Hell is waiting after they die.
This is why Jesus said..>"you MUST be born again".
As this new birth is the change from SINNER to "the Righteousness of God IN Christ".

All who are born again, are already a part of God's Holy Spirit. They have become....>"ONE with GOD, in Christ".

If a person is not born again then they are damned while they are yet breathing, and are waiting for the end result. John 3:36

That's a bit hard to understand. If a born again person tells a lie and steals something, that wouldn't be sinning?

 

[Ligurian]

[...]
So, you have Jesus, under the old covenant, dealing with the House of Israel .
This is not Paul's Gospel.
[...]

I do believe it.
But now the way you misunderstand it.

You already admitted that Jesus couldn't have preached the Pauline Gospel because Jesus hadn't died yet.

At some point, your parenthetical Dispensation of Grace will end. But for those who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the Kingdom of Heaven is always at hand, because Jesus' words will never pass away. So when does Matthew 24:14 occur? since everything in context that happens before that verse has already happened, time after time.

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty two months. 3 And I will give [power] unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The source of power to the two witnesses:

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

The two witnesses are churches:

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in My right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

IMO, Revelation 2:8 and Revelation 3:8

 

[Sidon]

Again it does not have the same meaning as "study" does in modern English. <=

im really not interested in discussing your idea that we need to judge the word of God by "modern english".

Do you have anything else that we can discuss that is not your opinion?

 

[ozso]

All very impressive no doubt but you're missing the main point which is that learning is a life-long continuing process. Try to adopt a beginner's mind - you'll be more open to learning from new experiences. Lot's of people here on your thread have tried to help you but you haven't been very receptive to what they have been saying to you. You spoke about branches before and branches need to grow.

I agree with what you're saying. But at the same time if you're really involved in that, 30 more years down the road you'll probably have reached the been there, done that stage. Meaning you'll have heard, examined and studied everything that's been brought up in this thread, several times over.

 

[Sidon]

If you disregard the OLD covenant, you are a long way from understanding the Cross.

Well that is an interesting point of view you are trying to purvey.
Here we are, on My Thread, and you are talking about the Cross, because its all i talk about.

That's good., as if we left it up to you, you'd keep talking about the Old Testament and the law, and commandments.
Or didnt you realize its all you do here?
Time to realize it.

 

[Sidon]

BTW, what does "approved to God" mean? In English, 2 Timothy 2:15 says, "Make every effort to present yourself before God as a proven worker who does not need to be ashamed, teaching the message of truth accurately." <=

Bad bible translation.
Get a better one.

 

[Sidon]

Your making an assumption. Were these written by the same author?
‬‬

IVe just studied the NT enough to understand Spiritual things that i can share, that are not always taught, but should be taught.

Christians stay in a spiritual rut, more often than not, ... because they dont have access to anyone who can teach them Pauline Theology.

See, we are in the end of the time of the gentiles, and there is a FAMINE of " the word" being taught, correctly.

Now you have my Threads that deal with this, exclusively., as do the great majority of my posts.

Remember this..
If im not here one day, you should print my Threads.
Many do.
Then...
Take your bible, go to Paul's epistles, and use both.
In less then a week, your entire FAITH will be enlightened and you'll see what ive been working to show you, for some weeks now.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where does it say that in the Bible?

“I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Sidon]

It sounds like you're saying if he was saved, it appears that he currently isn't.

Paul teaches in Galatians Chapter 3-5, that a believer, born again, can "fall from Grace".

This is not to lose salvation......its to depart from Faith in Christ to faith in trying to stay saved by self effort.

So, If this person we are discussing is born again, then that is permanent.
They will go to heaven, yet, ....their faith can be so broken, that they are living as if they are an unbeliever trying to find a way to get God to keep them, if they can just be good enough, they BELIEVE.

Did you see my Thread :

""Broken Faith""

It explains these type carnal Christians.

 

[Sidon]

“I am writing these things to you, hoping to come to you before long; but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yet, you can conduct yourself as a disciple of Christ, all your life, and die, and be told. "Depart from me, i never KNEW YOU"..
And why?
Because all the communion, all the penance, all the good deeds, all the burned candles, all the days spent working in India with street orphans, can not deal with your SIN.

You have to have your SIN forgiven and yourself redeemed by Christ's shed Blood, or as Jesus explains....>"you MUST be born again".

 

[BNR32FAN]

IVe just studied the NT enough to understand Spiritual things that i can share, that are not always taught, but should be taught.

Christians stay in a spiritual rut, more often than not, ... because they dont have access to anyone who can teach them Pauline Theology.

See, we are in the end of the time of the gentiles, and there is a FAMINE of " the word" being taught, correctly.

Now you have my Threads that deal with this, exclusively., as do the great majority of my posts.

Remember this..
If im not here one day, you should print my Threads.
Many do.
Then...
Take your bible, go to Paul's epistles, and use both.
In less then a week, your entire FAITH will be enlightened and you'll see what ive been working to show you, for some weeks now.

Many people print your threads? I don’t see any likes or agree ratings on them. So far I haven’t seen anyone in this thread that agrees with your theology.

 

[Sidon]

I think most don't know about that stuff when they become saved. It's after they're saved that they start learning about getting baptized and commandments, law and endurance. I think usually their initial experience is being told about and believing in Jesus as their savior.

Yes.

If you are born again, then your FAITH was correct, or God would not give you the new birth.
Then, in comes a family member, a priest, a minister, a sunday school teacher,, or all of these, and soon they have you thinking you can lose your salvation, which has the effect of making you lose that first faith, and you end up with NO FAITH.....Just trying to be good, hoping that you can be good enough to cause God to have you after you die.

So, how can that type of believing be "The Gift of Salvation"?

The devil does not come at you with horns and a pitchfork, MMXX.
He comes at you with deceivers.
See, here is his motivation..
He knows that if you are born again, then you wont be with him, in the lake of fire.
So, He goes after, not your soul, but your FAITH., and he uses friends, family, preachers, forum members, to get you out of Faith in Christ, and into faith in WORKS and LAW and keeping commandments.
He tries to take you back to the OLD TESTAMENT, where NO CROSS IF FOUND, and keep you there trying to build your own with Law and Commandments and SELF EFFORT.

 

[Sidon]

All very impressive no doubt but you're missing the main point which is that learning is a life-long continuing process. Try to adopt a beginner's mind -

Ill make a deal with you.
When you want to no longer have a beginning Christian's mind, then just go to my many Threads or my many posts, and study them, with a New Testament, opened, to Paul's epistles.

Or, stay where you are.

"free will".
You get the choice, and you get the consequence.


If that is too much, and you find yourself overwhelmed, then go and write your own Thread.
Are you able to do this?, ??
Link it me in a post, and i'll read it and help you with it, by posting on your Thread.

Im available.

See , your theology is such a contrast against the Gospel of Paul, that when you post to me, it allows the many readers on my THreads, to see what Paul teaches, vs, what you teach.
You are useful in this regard.

So, post a Thread.
Send me a link.
I can help.

 

[Sidon]

You already admitted that Jesus couldn't have preached the Pauline Gospel because Jesus hadn't died yet.

At some point, your parenthetical Dispensation of Grace will end. But for those who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the Kingdom of Heaven is always at hand,

Actually during the "time of the Gentiles" God is not specifically dealing with the Jew (house of Israel), but will again soon when the Great Trib starts.

Currently, Salvation is Specifically offered to the "world" as "the gift of Salvation" as John 3:16....but this GIFT will end, once the Great Trib starts, and then God resumes His dealing Specifically with the Jew.
This is why you have 144,000 Jews (only) preaching, during the Great Trib, and not 144,000 gentiles.