How to walk in the Spirit.

[ozso]

Or you could just read the gospels.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not at all.
That is Paul preaching.

Do you go to church?

If you go to a Protestant bible believing Church, on any given Sunday, you will hear someone like me preaching to you, during the ALTER CALL.

This happens at the end of the service, usually, when the Preacher gives the congregation an opportunity to hear the Gospel. ("Preaching of The Cross") and by the Holy Spirit "faith comes by hearing", and some of them will be born again.

How, when im doing this on a forum, or to a person, or to a group, or when any real preacher of the Gospel is talking to the LOST.....
We will say....>"now we all need to believe on Jesus".

Yet , i already have, ....so, why do i say "we all".

Or, if im talking to a pack of Mary Baker Eddy, cultists about their sin, and they say to me...>>"we dont believe in sin", we are followers of Valentinus , who is the father of gnosticism, who almost became a Pope, and he teaches that there is no sin, and so, there is no need for a CROSS or a SAVIOR""">

And i say......"Listen to me !!!!.....if we say we have no sin, then we make Christ a Liar".


So, see that?
I said "we", but i dont mean ME.
I mean THEM.

And if you can comprehend this, if you can ever see this, then you can SEE Hebrews 10 correctly.
But not until.

Nonsense, your position implies that if a person says “we must all believe in Jesus” the person speaking doesn’t have to believe in Jesus. Just like the author of Hebrews said “If we go on sinning willfully” you are saying that this doesn’t apply to the author, your saying that this only applies to his audience. So in your first example by the same rationale when a person says “we must believe in Jesus” that doesn’t apply to the speaker that only applies to his audience which is incorrect. By your explanation of Hebrews 10:26 your saying that the speaker doesn’t have to believe in Jesus. Your saying that the statement does not apply to the speaker which is incorrect according to elementary level common knowledge. Even my 7 year old daughter knows the definition of the word “we”. You just refuse to accept every single piece of evidence presented to you that destroys your theology even to the point of ignoring even the simplest English grammar.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I told you and 3 others the same answer, previously.
Paul is the author of Hebrews, and of Acts 28.

If you want me to tell you this again, then just come back to this post.

Where’s your evidence to prove that? Nobody cares what you said, you are not the authority of the scriptures and you’ve already PROVEN that you know very little about them. To my knowledge not even the ancient church knows who the author of Hebrews is. In every one of Paul’s epistles he introduces himself. We don’t see that in Hebrews.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is no such thing as "the church", as you are defining YOUR denomination.
There are no denominations in Heaven.
No baptists, no Catholics, No Lutherans, No Protestants.
None of this..

Who is in heaven?
God.
Jesus.
The Host of Heaven.
The Redeemed by the BLood of Jesus. (The born again)
Thats it.
No denominations need to apply for entrances as they will not be found there.

As expected your not making any sense at all. The church is mentioned in the scriptures ABUNDANTLY, SEVERAL TIMES. Oh and BTW what is my “denomination” since you give the allusion that you seem have some idea of what your talking about? What denomination am I?

 

[pescador]

I told you and 3 others the same answer, previously.
Paul is the author of Hebrews, and of Acts 28.

If you want me to tell you this again, then just come back to this post.

Why come back to misinformation? Nobody knows for certain who the author of Hebrews is.
Regarding Acts 28, Luke is the author. Paul never wrote about himself in the third person.

 

[Sidon]

That doesn't seem to coincide with what you said a little earlier:

"Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding."

Jesus said this..... "You must be born again".


How to get this wrong..

1. ) believing that water causes the new birth
2. ) believing that if you keep commandments, law, and endure to the end, you can save yourself, and that God requires this to accept you.


So, thats basically how you avoid the Cross.


Listen..
When you are on a Forum, and you are reading the religious propaganda of a self savor, a professional legalist, you'll note that all they talk about is law, self effort, and commandments.
Their theology is ..>"all the do's and dont do's, that i MUST do, to try to get to heaven".
And what you will HEAR and READ that is missing, is The CROSS.
So, that is the infection of Christian Forums.
ITs all the "salvation" preaching that does not include the blood of Jesus or the Cross of Christ.
Begin to notice this reader, and you'll soon discover who isn't telling you the truth..... because it is not in them.

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And here is a mystery..... why would anyone who is SANE want to Avoid the Love of God.?
Why would anyone want to avoid going to Heaven ????? as that is what you are avoiding when you avoid JESUS.

Its because they dont understand that Salvation is not rules and regulations and what you have to do, and what you have to give up.
So, the carnal mind, the mind blinded by the Devil, who is the "god of this world", does not SEE the Cross as anything Good.
They see it as a straight-jacket of : "dont do that anymore".

Yet the NT says that "God gives us RICHLY.... all things to ENJOY".


The reality is, the Cross is RELIEF from the "trying to be accepted by God".
Its FREEDOM.
Its LIFE.


Jesus said, "I am come to give you LIFE..... and that MORE Abundantly".

The truth is, life is a lost dark hopeless place, until the Light of the World comes into your Life and into your heart to make you TRULY ALIVE.. = born again.

 

[Sidon]

Or you could just read the gospels.

Most people who are theologically unsound, became so, by reading Matthew and James and Hebrews, instead of reading Paul in the beginning of their Christian theological development.

The bible is not Linear.
Its a circle.

God has designed it, so that you have to study it, vs, reading it.

WE are told to "compare scripture with scripture" so as not to become lost in a heresy that is caused by reading the bible as if its a novel.


When you study the NT, you become familiar with what it says.
But to recevie the revelation that is its LIGHT, is when God joins the verses in a way that teaches it doctrinally to your Spirit.

 

[Sidon]

How do you know that he didn't get saved earlier in his life by putting his faith in Christ alone?

And I think it's those who purposely reject Christ who are in trouble.

I can't know a person's heart.
But i can hear what they present and teach on a Forum, as their current theology, which defines their current FAITH.
So, that i can discern through the Light of the Cross.

Also, as you said, it is exactly Christ rejection that is the heart of damnation.

John 3:36

 

[BNR32FAN]

Most people who are theologically unsound, became so, by reading Matthew and James and Hebrews, instead of reading Paul in the beginning of their Christian theological development.

No, I think many are theologically unsound because they refuse to accept the scriptures as they are written because they have preconceived notions about what the scriptures “are supposed to be saying”. So when they see verses that contradict their beliefs they try to bend and conform the scriptures so that they coincide with their theology instead of reevaluating their theology and bending it to coincide with the scriptures. The biggest problem I see all too often, especially the past few days, is that some people who are too arrogant to admit they’re wrong and can’t humble themselves or even participate in an honest discussion. When they don’t know the answer to a question they’re too afraid to admit it and simply say “I don’t know” instead they will pretend they know something that they don’t and end up making a fool of themselves. What people like this need to realize is that Christ is watching them the whole time urging them to just stop already and be honest.

Anyone else seen this type of behavior recently?

 

[Sidon]

Nonsense, your position implies that if a person says “we must all believe in Jesus”

Here is the thing..
I can teach you, but i can't understand it for you.

Now, you are not a preacher or a pastor.
You are a curious person on a forum asking questions about verses that you dont understand.

Now once again...
When a Preacher is talking to his members about "sin".. or a person is talking to a group... And im preaching that Christ is The Savior, and that He is the cure for sin, and the Blood of Christ is the only solution.........you'll notice that many in the room, are already Saved.
So, am i preaching the message of the Cross to them?
No im not, yet im talking to the entire ROOM or the entire FORUM.
See it?
So, im directing the message to the needy, yet all are hearing it.

This is the same as me talking to someone who tells me.....>"im not a sinner, i dont believe in sin" "there is no such thing as sin".....
And i say, "Listen, if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves".

See that?
That is how a minister who is preaching the Gospel to the lost, will be inclusive, yet the preacher is not talking TO HIMSELF.......about himself.

That is John in 1 John
That is Paul, in Hebrews and in Acts.
That is me, talking to those here who are bound with chains of legalism.

The message GOES OUT, and it TARGETS who its meant to Convict.
I dont control that, i only put out the Truth.
Then God takes it from there., same as He does with any minister of the word.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is the thing..
I can teach you, but i can't understand it for you.

Now, you are not a preacher or a pastor.
You are a curious person on a forum asking questions about verses that you dont understand.

Now once again...
When a Preacher is talking to his members about "sin".. or a person is talking to a group... And im preaching that Christ is The Savior, and that He is the cure for sin, and the Blood of Christ is the only solution.........you'll notice that many in the room, are already Saved.
So, am i preaching the message of the Cross to them?
No im not, yet im talking to the entire ROOM or the entire FORUM.
See it?
So, im directing the message to the needy, yet all are hearing it.

This is the same as me talking to someone who tells me.....>"im not a sinner, i dont believe in sin" "there is no such thing as sin".....
And i say, "Listen, if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves".

See that?
That is how a minister who is preaching the Gospel to the lost, will be inclusive, yet the preacher is not talking TO HIMSELF.......about himself.

That is John in 1 John
That is Paul, in Hebrews and in Acts.
That is me, talking to those here who are bound with chains of legalism.

The message GOES OUT, and it TARGETS who its meant to Convict.
I dont control that, i only put out the Truth.
Then God takes it from there., same as He does with any minister of the word.

The reason John said that if we say we have no sin we make God a liar is because John was a sinner.

 

[Sidon]

Where’s your evidence to prove that? Nobody cares what you said,

If nobody cares, then why are you on all my Threads?

The reality is, my Threads help those who are sincere, and those who just want to argue their theology will find my Threads also.

Its all good, as the purpose is well served.

 

[Sidon]

As expected your not making any sense at all. ?

Be clear.......what you mean is that its not making sense to you.
And i understand why.

See, you have no idea that the "church" is the born again.
Its not the organization that is defined by a TITLE created by a MAN or men.

The NT "church" is defined by the NT, as all those who are become by "new birth"..= the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

The "church" is each born again person., per person with each being a part of the "body of Christ", that is a Spiritual entity.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If nobody cares, then why are you on all my Threads?

The reality is, my Threads help those who are sincere, and those who just want to argue their theology will find my Threads also.

Its all good, as the purpose is well served.

Yet that evidence that Paul is the author of Hebrews remains unseen. The reason I’m on your threads is to help people who may not know any better from being misled from the truth by offering evidence from the scriptures that refutes your theology.

 

[Sidon]

Why come back to misinformation? Nobody knows for certain who the author of Hebrews is.
Regarding Acts 28, Luke is the author. Paul never wrote about himself in the third person.

Paul wrote Hebrews.
Did someone write it down on parchment for him?
Is that how you define the "source"?
If that is true, then a copy machine, is writing what it copies, according to you.

So, sure, Paul had SCRIBES........sometimes Timothy, sometimes TITUS.
But the manuscript came from Paul's Spirit that was given as the words that were written down.
So, if these were written down by Timothy, thats fine.

To take it to the core.....>Its the Holy Spirit who wrote it, using the Apostle to put it in Epistles.
If they literally wrote it, or if their designated person like Luke or Timothy, wrote it down, then that is still God giving it to Paul, that became the Epistle.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Be clear.......what you mean is that its not making sense to you.
And i understand why.

See, you have no idea that the "church" is the born again.
Its not the organization that is defined by a TITLE created by a MAN or men.

The NT "church" is defined by the NT, as all those who are become by "new birth"..= the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

The "church" is each born again person., per person with each being a part of the "body of Christ", that is a Spiritual entity.

Your confusing the church with the body of Christ. They are two different groups. The body of Christ is all believers, the church is the believers that were taught the apostolic teachings and pass on those teachings to others.

 

[Sidon]

No, I think many are theologically unsound because they refuse to accept the scriptures as they are written

Hebrews 12:9 explains the problem, and defines the source of why heresy continues.

The original heretic, was Satan, who questioned God's words when talking to Eve.

So, when you see someone who has no use for the bible, because they want to correct it with Greek they can't even read, you've discovered the same issue.

Who is it that is fallen from Grace, but the very one that has it, but has left the right understanding and become darkened in their thoughts so that they can no longer see the truth.

 

[Sidon]

Your confusing the church with the body of Christ. They are two different groups.\.

You actually said that on a Public "christian" forum.
Thats remarkable heresy.

 

[Sidon]

The reason John said that if we say we have no sin we make God a liar is because John was a sinner.

IF John is a sinner then He's not born again.

There are no sinners found in heaven.

So, a person has to be changed from sinner to "made righteous" while you are breathing or Hell is waiting after they die.
This is why Jesus said..>"you MUST be born again".
As this new birth is the change from SINNER to "the Righteousness of God IN Christ".

All who are born again, are already a part of God's Holy Spirit. They have become....>"ONE with GOD, in Christ".

If a person is not born again then they are damned while they are yet breathing, and are waiting for the end result. John 3:36

 

[Sidon]

Yet that evidence that Paul is the author of Hebrews remains unseen.

Not to me.