How to walk in the Spirit.

[fhansen]

If you are a sinner then you are not going to Heaven.
So, you have sin, or Christ has your sin.
Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding.

Yes, that would be terrible, if I didn’t quite get it right and believe it right like you do God’s gonna send me to HELL! ETERNAL TORMENT . Somehow I imagine He’ll be more lenient with you and your error. He knows you mean well anyway.

 

[Sidon]

IDK, maybe you have been reading my posts after all since most of this just seems to be repeating what I've been saying more or less. But then you go on to assert that your views are different and something new. IDK.

Salvation is God on the Cross, offering His blood and death, to the world, as our reconciliation back into His Spiritual Family.

Once you have this as the "imputed righteousness of Christ', then God lives inside the person.
As the person "works out their salvation", and comes into the light of revelation that teaches them that they are always to see themselves as "made righteous", then they stop trying to keep from losing their salvation, and actually start to exist as a real disciple who is no longer "apart from me you can do NOTHING". = Under the Law.
Once you are there, then your mind is finally being "renewed", and in this place of correct spirituality, God can begin to do HIS work, through you, and this is God's love, manifesting as "spiritual fruit".

All things with God are Faith and Spirit., only.

 

[Sidon]

Yes, that would be terrible, if I didn’t quite get it right and believe it right like you do God’s gonna send me to HELL! ETERNAL TORMENT . Somehow I imagine He’ll be more lenient with you and your error. He knows you mean well anyway.

Are you born again and not just water baptized thinking that water washed your sins away and saved you?
(baptismal regeneration) the lie of the Devil, that many religious people believe is their salvation.

So, if you are truly Spiritually Born again, by God's Spirit, then you should have no worries about going to hell.
And as i have carefully explained to people who read what i am actually teaching.....God does not send you to hell, or the Lake of Fire.
He only accepts that you chose to go there, in the end, because you did not Receive Christ and become born again, before you died.

 

[Sidon]

If faith doesn't lead on to love in us,

before God loves through you, you have to exist in the Grace of God as your Real Faith.
You will know you have arrived to this real faith, the second you no longer believe you can lose your Salvation., and not until.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is only one sin that causes God to not allow you to stay in Heaven after you die.
Its the sin of Christ Rejection. (Hebrews 10:26)
This is the sin that gets your name taken out of the "Lamb's book of life"..

Nope, selfish people who don’t have love for others will also be condemned to the lake of fire. These are the people who do not bear fruit. Jesus said exactly why He condemned them.

““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for (because) I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41-43‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It would really help to post scripture references when making biblical statements. @Sidon

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are , not counting Origen's, 30 "extant" Greek manuscripts, and at least one that is in Latin.
So, you study their evidence, not by reading Greek....
I'll let you figure that out.

You study Greek writings without studying the Greek language? What did you do just look at them?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are not being honest to say that i skip questions, and its not reality to say your questions are "hard".
In fact they are novice, but you think they are "Hard" because your theology makes you believe this, ligurian.

Yeah you sure keep dodging my question of who the author of Hebrews was referring to in Hebrews 10:26. Despite my asking twice already.

 

[ozso]

If you are a sinner then you are not going to Heaven.
So, you have sin, or Christ has your sin.
Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding.

Ah so it does come to getting it just right or you're toast. That's doesn't sound any better than teaching if you don't get works and behavior right you're toast.

 

[Sidon]

Of course there are. As I've mentioned earlier, all hyperbolic encouragement is balanced by warnings and admonishments.

"I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned." John 15:5-6

Well, let me rightly divide this verse for you so that you can see it.

Notice it says....>"does not remain in me".


See that?
So, who does not remain in God, "in Christ"?
All that are not in Him, but are this...."depart from me, i never knew you"..

And these people are casting out devil's in Jesus's Name.
See that?
They are all about Jesus, yet, are not in Him, and so, do not remain.

Some seed fell on Good ground, and some fell on what didn't remain.

So, these are the religious but lost, who are trying to imitate Christ and be like Christ, yet, they are not "IN HIM">....so they can't remain because they were never "ONE WITH GOD , In Christ' to begin with.
So, your verse is teaching that to be born again, is how you "ReMAIN"< and if you are not, you are cast aside as a branch., in this SYMBOLIC VERSE.

Have you ever been in a forest?
An old one?
You'll find these old old Trees, and you see that some of the attached branches are DEAD.
Yet, they are still attached.
So, what is the issue? Why is the Tree alive, but some branches are dead?
Its because some branches are getting no SAP from the ROOT.
They have NO LIFE from the TREE.

And likewise, a person can be extremely RELIGIOUS and talk about JESUS and the Bible, but they are not IN HIM, and So, this person has no ROOT, because = they have no HOLY SPIRIT IN THEM.
Yet, the can quote verses incorrectly, and they can live in Church.
Some even start their own denominations, yet, they were never "IN CHRIST", ...and if you are not in Christ, you can't remain, as you are a dead branch, pretending to be a live one.
To remain in Christ is only if you are BORN AGAIN, as that is how you ABIDE and REMAIN.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Either you don't know that Barnabus wrote the letter to the Hebrews according to church history, or you don't want to believe any Prophecy which says food law still exists within the circumcision fold. In any case, what you've said makes perfect sense to the people whose fold you're attempting to bring into your tribe... as though the gentiles aren't really a big enough mission field for you.

Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, and become abominable in their devices; there is none that does goodness, there is not even so much as one. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the sons of men, to see if there were any that understood, or sought after god. 3 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become good for nothing, there is none that does good, no not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways; and the way of peace they have not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes.

This isn't written about the Israelites, as Psalms 14:4-7 tells us... it's written about the heathen... so, shouldn't you be teaching them?

That’s an interesting theory about the author of Hebrews. I wasn’t aware that the church had an official stance on who the author was but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were Barnabas. I’ve always thought it had a sort of Pauline ambiance to it and Barnabas spending so much time traveling with Paul would explain their similarities.

 

[Sidon]

In your extreme focus on Paul

As i told you before, ... when you focus on : "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ", and you study the epistles understanding this, then God gives you the revelation of the NT, as "discernment".

But before that can happen, you have to be this verse......Hebrews 13:9

Listen...
Its not by Paul that we have the revelation....Its by Paul that the revelation is written down.
But the revelation comes by Christ who "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge", who is IN ALL THE BORN AGAIN, = who revels all of this to their "New Creation", as LIGHT.

Light is revelation.
The bible is a book of hidden Spiritual Light, ready to be revealed, as "rightly dividing" as "spiritually discerned".
The born again RECEIVE this LIGHT, from Jesus who is in them.

When the born again see the Light of Revelation that is the word of God being spiritually discerned inside their SPIRIT..... then that is Jesus the Light of the World, opening the spiritual understanding of the Children of the Light, who are all the born again.

 

[Sidon]

WE, that’s who the UNKNOWN author of Hebrews was referring to. We means the author and the audience not someone else. He didn’t say “if they” he said “if we”. The word “if” indicates a hypothetical situation. He’s not saying that anyone has actually done this.

Not at all.
That is Paul preaching.

Do you go to church?

If you go to a Protestant bible believing Church, on any given Sunday, you will hear someone like me preaching to you, during the ALTER CALL.

This happens at the end of the service, usually, when the Preacher gives the congregation an opportunity to hear the Gospel. ("Preaching of The Cross") and by the Holy Spirit "faith comes by hearing", and some of them will be born again.

How, when im doing this on a forum, or to a person, or to a group, or when any real preacher of the Gospel is talking to the LOST.....
We will say....>"now we all need to believe on Jesus".

Yet , i already have, ....so, why do i say "we all".

Or, if im talking to a pack of Mary Baker Eddy, cultists about their sin, and they say to me...>>"we dont believe in sin", we are followers of Valentinus , who is the father of gnosticism, who almost became a Pope, and he teaches that there is no sin, and so, there is no need for a CROSS or a SAVIOR""">

And i say......"Listen to me !!!!.....if we say we have no sin, then we make Christ a Liar".


So, see that?
I said "we", but i dont mean ME.
I mean THEM.

And if you can comprehend this, if you can ever see this, then you can SEE Hebrews 10 correctly.
But not until.

 

[Sidon]

Yeah you sure keep dodging my question of who the author of Hebrews was referring to in Hebrews 10:26. Despite my asking twice already.

I told you and 3 others the same answer, previously.
Paul is the author of Hebrews, and of Acts 28.

If you want me to tell you this again, then just come back to this post.

 

[Sidon]

Ah so it does come to getting it just right or you're toast. That's doesn't sound any better than teaching if you don't get works and behavior right you're toast.

You dont have to try to get it right.
Why?
Because God came down from Heaven and got it right for you already, 2000 yrs ago.
He got it right for you, on the Cross.
Jesus is the WAY to God.... John 14:6.

God did all the suffering, so that we can get all the SALVATION.
Its free.
its a GIFT.
All God requires to give you the "gift of Salvation" is that you Believe.

 

[ozso]

You dont have to try to get it right.
Why?
Because God came down from Heaven and got it right for you already, 2000 yrs ago.
He got it right for you, on the Cross.
Jesus is the WAY to God.... John 14:6.

God did all the suffering, so that we can get all the SALVATION.
Its free.
its a GIFT.
All God requires to give you the "gift of Salvation" is that you Believe.

That doesn't seem to coincide with what you said a little earlier:

"Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding."

 

[Sidon]

I wasn’t aware that the church .

There is no such thing as "the church", as you are defining YOUR denomination.
There are no denominations in Heaven.
No baptists, no Catholics, No Lutherans, No Protestants.
None of this..

Who is in heaven?
God.
Jesus.
The Host of Heaven.
The Redeemed by the BLood of Jesus. (The born again)
Thats it.
No denominations need to apply for entrances as they will not be found there.

 

[Sidon]

That doesn't seem to coincide with what you said a little earlier:

"Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding."

Was not talking to you.
Was talking to a person who is trusting in their self effort to try to be accepted by God.

So, is there a Gospel?
Is there a "narrow way"?
You said so yourself, and there is no other.

The only way to God, is through Jesus.
No one else left Heaven to come down here, and become the WAY for you to belong to God and become a part of God's family.


Ok then, i need to go and have some breakfast

Will try to come back later.



- blessings

 

[Hmm]

As i told you before, ... when you focus on : "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ", and you study the epistles understanding this, then God gives you the revelation of the NT, as "discernment".

Or you could just read the gospels.

 

[ozso]

Was not talking to you.
Was talking to a person who is trusting in their self effort to try to be accepted by God.

So, is there a Gospel?
Is there a "narrow way"?
You said so yourself, and there is no other.

The only way to God, is through Jesus.
No one else left Heaven to come down here, and become the WAY for you to belong to God and become a part of God's family.


Ok then, i need to go and have some breakfast

Will try to come back later.



- blessings

How do you know that he didn't get saved earlier in his life by putting his faith in Christ alone? He's said his that his current belief regarding salvation used to be different.

Also while I agree that Jesus is our only hope of salvation, I think it's those who purposely reject Christ who are in trouble. Not those who accept Christ but don't say exactly the right prayer, or they don't fully understand exactly how salvation works.