How to understand the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12

[TribulationSigns]

Actually, what it says in Zechariah 14 is that Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives - splitting it in half, making an escape route valley - for the THE JEWS.

No Dougg, Zechariah 14 is speaking of Christ's FIRST COMING. Not future Second Coming with physical mountains moving.

Christ's feet DID stand upon the mount of olives, and the mount DID cleave. The problem is, a lot of people don't accept that the Bible is a very Spiritual book that has to be understood Spiritually. Sadly, understanding Scripture "Spiritually" has become almost like a "dirty word" to many people here. Nevertheless, a mount or mountain represents a Kingdom. For example, Christ came to the Mount of Olives, indeed rode into Jerusalem on a colt as King from the Mount of Olives

He preached on the mount of Olives, prayed on the mount of Olives, was betrayed by Judas with a kiss on the mount of Olives, and indeed left earth from the Mount of Olives. And by His coming (and the consequent rejecting of Him by His people) He destroyed the mountain or Kingdom. The valley that was left was for the remnant to flee. This is not physical but Spiritual, just as nearly all of God's prophecies are. Why would this be any different? Take for example the prophecy of Isaiah 40.

Isaiah 40:3-4

• "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
• Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:"

Who takes this literally/Physically? No one. But they would if it suited their purpose. This has NOTHING whatsoever to do with literal/physical Mountains and valleys being made low by physical earthquakes. It has nothing whatsoever to do with building a physical highway in the physical desert. But this is The Way God speaks in His prophecies to show us Spiritual truths. For example, Elijah didn't physically come back to earth to do this, nevertheless, this prophesy was very "literally" fulfilled by John The Baptist. He was Spiritually "the Elijah" (Luke 1:17) prophesied to come. Selah!

...that some people (even today) do not understand this does not make it null and void or unfulfilled. Likewise with the dividing or cleaving of the Mountain.

Daniel 11:4

• "And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those."

How can a kingdom be broken? Certainly not physically, but only spiritually in the sense of its power to rule is gone. And here again, we have a kingdom cleaved in fours, but again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with a land ruled by a King physically splitting apart, nor with seismic activity occurring in a mountain. It is Spiritual language "illustrating" rule that has been broken up.

Matthew 12:25

• "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:"

Kingdoms are divided, and mountains represent kingdoms. The Bible is a Spiritual Book, not a book detailing the prophecied very Physical collapse of bricks or stones or mountains--nor of the very physical creation of valleys, highways in the Desert or living waters (H20) flowing in the middle east. Sadly, that is something that some people will just never learn, no matter how much you explain it to them with supporting Scriptures. Because it is Spiritually discerned, thus any aversion to Spiritual discernment will leave one without it.

So in Zechariah 14, it talked about the mountains cleaved referring to the judgment and fall of the Old Testament Congregation. It was divided so the kingdom no longer stand in Old Testament congregation. Its power and rule have been taken away from Israel and the great valley was created FOR the remnant of Old Testament Congregation to escape into the New Testament congregation the church. Didn't you read the Scripture concerning the end of the Old Testament Congregation power and rule as kingdom representation when it was taken away from her and given to other?

Mat 21:42-43
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

This is how the mountain of Old Testament congregation was cleaved.

 

[keras]

Actually, what it says in Zechariah 14 is that Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives - splitting it in half, making an escape route valley - for the THE JEWS.

Typically, the false belief of a Jewish redemption, makes you add the word 'Jew' to scripture, where those people are not mentioned at all.
Thew peoples living in all of the holy Land during the end times will be every faithful Christian, As is Prophesied in many OT prophesies and in Romans 9:24-26.
About half of them will be kept in a place of safety for the final 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Revelation 12:14 The 'many', Daniel 9:27a, who must remain, Revelation 12:17, will be persecuted and the survivors are the ones that will escape thru the Mt of Olives.

When the Global Leader goes over to Jerusalem at the end of the seven years, Michael, the great angelic Prince shall stand in the gap for Israel.

Daniel 12:1-3, is plainly a prophecy about the end of the Millennium, when the Judgment takes place. Revelation 20:11-15
The only Jewish Israelites will be those few who have accepted the Salvation of Jesus now. Many prophesies tell of the punishment of all the rest.
Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:14, +

 

[keras]

No Dougg, Zechariah 14 is speaking of Christ's FIRST COMING. Not future Second Coming with physical mountains moving.

Nonsense.
I have walked on the Mt of Olives. It is not yet split in half. Physically or 'spiritually'.

 

[Marilyn C]

Daniel 12:1-3, is plainly a prophecy about the end of the Millennium, when the Judgment takes place. Revelation 20:11-15
The only Jewish Israelites will be those few who have accepted the Salvation of Jesus now. Many prophesies tell of the punishment of all the rest.
Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:14, +

`At that time Michael shall stand up, the great Prince who stands watch over the sons of your people, (Israel); and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, (trib.) even to that time, and at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book. ` (Dan. 12: 1)

The other two verses are at the final judgment, (GWT) as you said.

 

[Timtofly]

What is reality to you?
Things you can see and are proved to exist and which move in a predictable way. Or things just imagined, like your fav Paradise?

Scripture is reality.

What humans teach as science is not reality.

Paradise is a reality. Paradise is Scripture.

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

"How that he was caught up into paradise."

"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

From all context, Paradise is in the firmament where the tree of life is. One has to be caught up, ie raptured to arrive in Paradise.

Most people just call it "heaven". Jesus gave heaven a name, paradise. God gave the firmament a name, heaven.

But the Garden of Eden started out on earth with the tree of life. Obviously it was no longer on earth after the Flood. The tree of life was moved, not destroyed. The Garden was not moved, just renamed.

Unless you can point out where the tree of life is, currently on earth, or in sheol, or the bottom of the ocean, it is in the firmament where God is.

It is certainly not on a floating island somewhere either.

 

[Timtofly]

Israel`s Deliverance.

When the Global Leader goes over to Jerusalem at the end of the seven years, Michael, the great angelic Prince shall stand in the gap for Israel.



`(The global leader) shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain;…` (Dan. 11: 45)

`At that time Michael shall stand up , the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;…` (Dan. 12: 1)



Daniel now sees `two men` clothed in linen, one above the waters and one on the riverbank. This is a pictorial picture of the Lord in His various ministries – to Daniel in his time and then as the risen Lord just before Israel is delivered.

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“How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?” (Dan. 12: 6)

Then the exact days are given –

1,260 days, (time, times and half a time) – Israel shattered.

1,290 days – from the sacrifice taken away, the abomination set up and at the end of the seven years, the cleansing of the sanctuary.

1,335 days – is the blessed time for those who wait for it, (National Celebration). This is on the 15th of Adar in Jerusalem. (Esther 9: 18 – 22)

Does anyone realize Daniel was in Israel on one side of the River? The Israel that will be granted at the Second Coming to Israel.

 

[keras]

The other two verses are at the final judgment, (GWT) as you said.

.......all whose names are found Written in the Book.
This has to be at the GWT Judgment. ALL of Daniel 12:1-3 will happen AFTER the Millennium.

However; the Judgment/punishment of Jewish Israel will be at the Sixth Seal, when the Lord will completely clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekioel 21:1-17, Isaiah 22:1-14, +

 

[Douggg]

Typically, the false belief of a Jewish redemption, makes you add the word 'Jew' to scripture, where those people are not mentioned at all.

The word "Jew' does not have to be in the text, because it is explicitly implied.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[keras]

The word "Jew' does not have to be in the text, because it is explicitly implied.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

That reference to what happened in ancient times, Zechariah 14:5a, does not prove that Zechariah 14:1-4 applies only to Jews.

What you consistently avoid, is the many prophesies that say the House of Judah will be destroyed and only a remnant will survive. The Jews do not play any significant part in any of the end times events, after the Sixth seal.

 

[Douggg]

That reference to what happened in ancient times, Zechariah 14:5a, does not prove that Zechariah 14:1-4 applies only to Jews.

And why not ? It will be the Jews that the kings of the earth will take as hostages, as part of the beast's, false prophet, and Satan's strategy to keep (in vain) Jesus from executing judgment on them.

Psalms 2:1

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

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And in your scenario, you are going to have the inhabitants of Beulah escape to places like New Zealand anyway before the great tribulation begins - right ?

 

[Marilyn C]

.......all whose names are found Written in the Book.
This has to be at the GWT Judgment. ALL of Daniel 12:1-3 will happen AFTER the Millennium.

However; the Judgment/punishment of Jewish Israel will be at the Sixth Seal, when the Lord will completely clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekioel 21:1-17, Isaiah 22:1-14, +

`....all whose names are written in the book. ` (Dan. 12: 1)

`Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord listened and heard them; so, a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the Lord and who meditate on His name. "They shall be mine," says the Lord of Hosts, "On the day that I make them my jewels, and I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. " (Mal. 3: 16 & 17)

 

[keras]

And why not ? It will be the Jews that the kings of the earth will take as hostages, as part of the beast's, false prophet, and Satan's strategy to keep (in vain) Jesus from executing judgment on them.

Because the apostate and ungodly Jews will all be gone. Matthew 8:11-12, and only a Christian remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
The rest of what you speculate, is unbiblical nonsense.

And in your scenario, you are going to have the inhabitants of Beulah escape to places like New Zealand anyway before the great tribulation begins - right ?

The Lord will take about half of the population of the new nation in all of the holy Land, to a distant place of safety. for 1260 days, Revelation 12:14
The other half must remain and face persecution. Revelation 12:17 Because they violated the Covenant; Daniel 11:32
The citizens of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, will all be faithful Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language. John sees them there in Rev 7:9.

...all whose names are written in the book. ` (Dan. 12: 1)

The Book of Life will be opened after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
No one receives immortality or 'glorified bodies', before then.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Book of Life will be opened after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
No one receives immortality or 'glorified bodies', before then.

That is NOT the book of life, but the book of REMEMBRANCE. (Mal. 3: 16) And those people of Israel will go into the millennium in their mortal bodies. (Zech. 13: 8 & 9, Mal. 3: 1 - 3)

 

[Douggg]

The Lord will take about half of the population of the new nation in all of the holy Land, to a distant place of safety. for 1260 days, Revelation 12:14

So why even move there in the first place ?

 

[keras]

That is NOT the book of life, but the book of REMEMBRANCE. (Mal. 3: 16) And those people of Israel will go into the millennium in their mortal bodies. (Zech. 13: 8 & 9, Mal. 3: 1 - 3)

The same Book. The Book of the names of every faithful believer, from Adam and Abel to Billy Graham and those worthy today.

So why even move there in the first place ?

It is our destiny and our great privilege.
Many prophesies tell of how the Lord will bless His people as they live in the holy Land. He will make a new Covenant with us and when a huge army comes down from the North, He will protect us and destroy it to display His power. Ezekiel 38

 

[Douggg]

The same Book. The Book of the names of every faithful believer, from Adam and Abel to Billy Graham and those worthy today.

It is our destiny and our great privilege.
Many prophesies tell of how the Lord will bless His people as they live in the holy Land. He will make a new Covenant with us and when a huge army comes down from the North, He will protect us and destroy it to display His power. Ezekiel 38

keras, when Gog/Magog happens - before any Solar wipe-out-the-middle east event that you are claiming will happen - and God defends Israel over there as it now is, then all of your scenarios will be proven to be wrong.

Them in Zechariah 14, who flee like their ancestors did in the days of Uzziah king of Judah, are the Jews. They become believers in Jesus, and the gospel of Salvation, in the middle of the 7 years that follow Gog/Magog.

 

[keras]

all of your scenarios will be proven to be wrong.

The Prophetic Word will not be proven wrong.
Verses like Psalms 37:29 regarding the holy Land and Isaiah 22:13, re Jewish Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

The same Book. The Book of the names of every faithful believer, from Adam and Abel to Billy Graham and those worthy today.

The book of remembrance was only started when these people of Israel spoke to each other and feared the Lord. And that was just before the Lord came to deliver them at the end of the trib. (Mal. 3: 11, 16 & 17)

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

During the 45 days (on the chart below highlighted in blue) between the 1290 days and 1335 days, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon with the (in vain) intent of stopping Jesus from executing judgment on them. Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

First, determine on what day the AoD will be set up to be worshiped. day 2520 - 1335 = day 1185.

Then, count forward from the AoD day - 1290 days.... to get to day 2475. The sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven (the third heaven), i.e. Jesus with sickle in hand, ready to execute judgment on the evil men of the world on day 2475.

In complete terror of Jesus appearing, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days, in the vain hope of avoiding their demise.



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I've released a video which explains this very topic. It's part of my 7 video series about the 70 Weeks in Daniel.

Main points:
1. Using 360 days for a year is wrong. Both Daniel and Revelation are referring to a normal Jewish year - which is usually 354 days or 384 days with an extra month every 2-3 years. But you have to know what year to anchor the 19 year Metonic cycle to. The modern Jewish calendar is no longer correct. You have to use the Jewish calendar based on observation of the winter barley harvest.
2. The 2300 evening/morning specifically refers to restoration of the sanctuary. This whole verse refers to the temple sacrifices. The 2300 evening/morning is an obvious reference (to a Jewish person of that time) to the prescribed sacrifices during the morning and the evening every single day. That means if one knows the date that the sanctuary will be restored, go backward 1150 days when the sacrifices will be forcefully stopped.
3. The 1290 days begins at the point when the sacrifices are forcefully stopped. Then continue forward until 1335 days are reached which will be a day of blessing.
4. The spring feasts were all fulfilled during Christ's first coming. It is expected that the fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd coming. One feast, the Day of Atonement is specifically tied to the cleansing and restoration of the sanctuary. The ultimate fulfillment will be when Christ restores the sanctuary. A proper interpretation of the 70 Weeks leads to the surprising result of an upcoming date specifically using the proper Jewish calendar. This proposed date (not a prediction) is Oct 15, 2032 for the Day of Atonement that year when the sanctuary could be restored.
5. Moving backward from there 1150 days, lands on August 21/22, 2029 for when the sacrifices could be forcefully stopped. This is on a Wednesday, the middle of the week and also the middle of 7 years. It is also the anniversary of the destruction of both the 1st and 2nd temples.
6. Moving forward from there 1290 days lands on the first day of the last month of that Jewish year. There is no stated reason given for this date.
7. Moving forward until 1335 days lands on the Feast of First Fruits for the new year. This is a day of blessing when the priest waves the sheafs of the new harvest before God. The ultimate fulfillment could be on that day when Christ presents those who have made themselves white and waited for His return. A few days before, that Passover will have a blood moon eclipse directly visible to the entire Middle East area.
8. These particular day relationships are unique only to that particular 2032 AD year using the proper Jewish calendar. Any other year does not work out.

 

[Douggg]

2. The 2300 evening/morning specifically refers to restoration of the sanctuary. This whole verse refers to the temple sacrifices. The 2300 evening/morning is an obvious reference (to a Jewish person of that time) to the prescribed sacrifices during the morning and the evening every single day. That means if one knows the date that the sanctuary will be restored, go backward 1150 days when the sacrifices will be forcefully stopped.

There is another way of looking at those 2300 evening/mornings.... as a 2300 day period, during which (1) the sacrifices will begin again (2) then later the sacrifices stopped (3) the transgression of desolation act take place (4) the temple cleansed of those things that will have made it desolate.

The red line on this chart is the critical path of events from day 1 of the 7 years to the last day of the 7 years when Jesus returns. I agree with you regarding that in order to factor in the 19 year metonic cycle we would have to know where it begins in relationship to all of the events to take place in the 7 years. For that reason, I use the 360 days year in my charts - but in reality there may be some slight variation because of the 365.25 days to orbit the sun - which we cannot factor in.