How to understand the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12

[Douggg]

I've released a video which explains this very topic. It's part of my 7 video series about the 70 Weeks in Daniel.

Main points:
1. Using 360 days for a year is wrong. Both Daniel and Revelation are referring to a normal Jewish year - which is usually 354 days or 384 days with an extra month every 2-3 years. But you have to know what year to anchor the 19 year Metonic cycle to. The modern Jewish calendar is no longer correct. You have to use the Jewish calendar based on observation of the winter barley harvest.
2. The 2300 evening/morning specifically refers to restoration of the sanctuary. This whole verse refers to the temple sacrifices. The 2300 evening/morning is an obvious reference (to a Jewish person of that time) to the prescribed sacrifices during the morning and the evening every single day. That means if one knows the date that the sanctuary will be restored, go backward 1150 days when the sacrifices will be forcefully stopped.
3. The 1290 days begins at the point when the sacrifices are forcefully stopped. Then continue forward until 1335 days are reached which will be a day of blessing.
4. The spring feasts were all fulfilled during Christ's first coming. It is expected that the fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd coming. One feast, the Day of Atonement is specifically tied to the cleansing and restoration of the sanctuary. The ultimate fulfillment will be when Christ restores the sanctuary. A proper interpretation of the 70 Weeks leads to the surprising result of an upcoming date specifically using the proper Jewish calendar. This proposed date (not a prediction) is Oct 15, 2032 for the Day of Atonement that year when the sanctuary could be restored.
5. Moving backward from there 1150 days, lands on August 21/22, 2029 for when the sacrifices could be forcefully stopped. This is on a Wednesday, the middle of the week and also the middle of 7 years. It is also the anniversary of the destruction of both the 1st and 2nd temples.
6. Moving forward from there 1290 days lands on the first day of the last month of that Jewish year. There is no stated reason given for this date.
7. Moving forward until 1335 days lands on the Feast of First Fruits for the new year. This is a day of blessing when the priest waves the sheafs of the new harvest before God. The ultimate fulfillment could be on that day when Christ presents those who have made themselves white and waited for His return. A few days before, that Passover will have a blood moon eclipse directly visible to the entire Middle East area.
8. These particular day relationships are unique only to that particular 2032 AD year using the proper Jewish calendar. Any other year does not work out.
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I appreaciate your graphics and the thought you have put into your timeline. We will see if your conclusions are right. What is going to kick everything off - is the Gog/Magog event. The 7years follow immediately after.

 

[Douggg]

6. Moving forward from there 1290 days lands on the first day of the last month of that Jewish year. There is no stated reason given for this date.

I agree there is no stated event in text of Daniel 12:11 for the 1290 days. But because there has to be time for the nations to assemble at Armageddon to make war on Jesus, I think that the event on the 1290 day will be the sixth seal event of the sign of the Son of man in heaven - i.e. Jesus appearing sickle in hand (from Revelation 14:14).

45 days later, as the armies have assembled themselves, on the 1335th day Jesus descends down to earth, and destroys those armies, as well as removes the beast, the false prophet, and the abomination of desolation statue image (incarnated by Satan) - thus cleansing the temple mount from those things that will have made it desolate from the worshiped of the One True God.

That image incarnated by Satan, will be incinerated, turned to ashes, based upon Ezekiel 28:18, 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Actually, no. There is only one way in which Daniel meant for the term. It was very evident for a Jewish person of that time period. It is singular - "evening morning". Not "evenings mornings". It is meant to be understood as a singular unit of time.
This practice of two burnt offerings per day is referred to multiple times through the Old Testament:
Exodus 29:38-46 - the commands of how the daily 2 sacrifices should be done - forever.
I Chron 16:40
2 Chron 2:4
2 Chron 13:11
2 Chron 31:3
Ezra 3:3

 

[Douggg]

@EclipseEventSigns

I think there is one thing that you have not considered.

In Daniel 8:12-13 - it is the transgression of desolation - not abomination of desolation (setup) like in Daniel 12:11.

Two different events.

transgression (an act) of desolation - the act of the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood, of 2Thessalonians2:4.

abomination of desolation - a thing setup - the statue image made of the beast (formerly the Antichrist) in Revelation 13, that Jesus in Matthew 24 told the Jews to flee to the mountains when they see it standing in the holy place - i.e. on the temple mount.


The abomination of desolation, we can calculate the day on the 2520 timeline as being 1335 days before Jesus returns - which means on day 1185 of the timeline the aod will be placed on the temple mount. day 1260 would be the exact midpoint.

The transgression of desolation, however, there is not enough information provided for a firm day - but we can estimate around 3 years into the 7 years.

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btw, the expression time/times/half time is not "exactly" 3 1/2 years, 1260 days. It can vary slightly, depending up the events involved.

 

[Douggg]

Actually, no. There is only one way in which Daniel meant for the term. It was very evident for a Jewish person of that time period. It is singular - "evening morning". Not "evenings mornings". It is meant to be understood as a singular unit of time.

Okay, in the kjv it is "the evening and the morning" in verse 26.

But verse 14 makes it clear that it is 2300 days. Which is what I show on my charts.

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

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btw, don't take my comments as discouragement. Just refine your work, if appropriate.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I'm not sure how to respond. Are you implying that we should only rely on the KJV for the correct translation? You do realize it is a translation of what was written originally in Hebrew, right?

In both v 26 and v 14, the words are singular "evening" and "morning". When the KJV translates it as "days", that is not correct. "Days" is not in the original verse. Young's Literal Translation is one of the only versions that has it correct:
"And he saith unto me, Till evening -- morning two thousand and three hundred, then is the holy place declared right." Dan 8:14

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

@EclipseEventSigns

I think there is one thing that you have not considered.

In Daniel 8:12-13 - it is the transgression of desolation - not abomination of desolation (setup) like in Daniel 12:11.

Two different events.

transgression (an act) of desolation - the act of the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood, of 2Thessalonians2:4.

abomination of desolation - a thing setup - the statue image made of the beast (formerly the Antichrist) in Revelation 13, that Jesus in Matthew 24 told the Jews to flee to the mountains when they see it standing in the holy place - i.e. on the temple mount.


The abomination of desolation, we can calculate the day on the 2520 timeline as being 1335 days before Jesus returns - which means on day 1185 of the timeline the aod will be placed on the temple mount. day 1260 would be the exact midpoint.

The transgression of desolation, however, there is not enough information provided for a firm day - but we can estimate around 3 years into the 7 years.

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btw, the expression time/times/half time is not "exactly" 3 1/2 years, 1260 days. It can vary slightly, depending up the events involved.

They are not referred to as 2 different events. Both Daniel 8 and 12 are tied to the forceable ceasing of the daily sacrifices. But yes, the transgression is the act (verb) and the abomination is the result (noun). They are one and the same.

 

[Douggg]

They are not referred to as 2 different events. Both Daniel 8 and 12 are tied to the forceable ceasing of the daily sacrifices. But yes, the transgression is the act (verb) and the abomination is the result (noun). They are one and the same.

Yes, they are two different events, as several things are encapsulated between stopping the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation setup.

I will explain....

little horn person stops the daily sacrifice - then commits the transgression of desolation act - is shortly killed for it (Ezekiel 28:1-10), i.e. assassinated - is brought back to life as the beast - the statue image then made of him, placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

The texts do not agree with what you have written. They do not support those details in your last paragraph.

 

[Douggg]

The texts do not agree with what you have written. They do not support those details in your last paragraph.

I think you need to read the texts more closely.

Daniel 8:23 understands dark sentences - Ezekiel 28:3 no secret that they can hide from thee

Daniel 8:25 magnifies himself in his heart - Ezekiel 28:2 thine heart is lifted up

2Thessalonians2:4 sitteth in the temple of God - Ezekiel 28:2 I sit in the seat of God

Ezekiel 28:7 I will bring strangers upon thee, they shall defile their brightness - Revelation 13:3 one of its heads wounded as it were wounded to death.

Revelation 13:3 his deadly wound healed - Revelation 13:14 an image to the beast.

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If you are going to make timelines, the timelines have to incorporate at what stage of his time that the villain person is in.

He is not the Antichrist, nor is he the beast, all the way through the timeline.

 

[Douggg]

I'm not sure how to respond. Are you implying that we should only rely on the KJV for the correct translation? You do realize it is a translation of what was written originally in Hebrew, right?

In both v 26 and v 14, the words are singular "evening" and "morning". When the KJV translates it as "days", that is not correct. "Days" is not in the original verse. Young's Literal Translation is one of the only versions that has it correct:
"And he saith unto me, Till evening -- morning two thousand and three hundred, then is the holy place declared right." Dan 8:14

Each day has both a morning and an evening segment. I think the kjv has it right.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Each day has both a morning and an evening segment. I think the kjv has it right.

Obviously the Jewish historical context has been lost on you.

 

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[Happygolucky?]

You have to use the Jewish calendar based on observation of the winter barley harvest.

I’ve heard this but believe it is flawed and here is why.



using the barley harvest is a flawed concept to determine the beginning of the year. It is wholly based on the command of the LORD in



Genesis 1:14





Seasons=mowadim

Taking the state of the barley being Abib, gives confirmation on when ABIB is, the beginning of the year. However the LORD never said it is the barley harvest, but the sun and the moon which determine the mowadim.

Below gives is a general idea of the time of year, late winter. During the time immediately preceding the Passover. So we know the barley should be in the ear at that time

Exodus 9:31-35


Below Elijah called for a drought. We later find out that drought was 3 1/2 years. It was said to be over the entire land.

James 5:17

Do you really believe there was barley in the ear during that time? Of course not.

In 1 Kings 17:1-14

1Now Elijah the Tishbite, who was of [a]the settlers of Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD, the God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, there shall certainly be neither dew nor rain during these years, except by my word.”

When the LORD calls for a drought, and the land fails to bring forth its produce, should the year never begin? During the times of famine and drought there was no barley in the ear, yet the year continued. Because they LORD declared at creation that it is the sun and the moon that determines the mowadim. The barley harvest is made up by man but Genesis 1:14 is a mandate by the LORD.[/u][/s]

 

[TribulationSigns]

First, the Prince has already confirmed the Covenant. It was the Prince of Peace who established the New Covenant church, took away the sin of his people and ended their warfare. How many times does God's word have to testify to this before you people to accept it a truth?

Hebrews 8:9-12

• "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
• For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
• And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
• For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
• In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

People like you keep presenting Scriptures that are fulfilled while ignoring God's word that He has done all this. Moreover, you present this scripture purporting a "seven-year tribulation period", but the Scripture itself does not at all "say" that the tribulation period will be seven years, nor that this one week in which the Covenant is confirmed (literally, made strong), is the great tribulation period. So it's all your private interpretation of the verse, not something the verse actually says. Indeed, the verse itself destroys your interpretation because it says that in the midst of this week, this abomination of desolation starts. Not at the beginning of it. So if this were seven years, then the tribulation would be 3 1/2 years, not seven. Christ identifies the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel as the time of this great tribulation.

Matthew 24:21

• "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So therefore your theory has to be incorrect. This manipulation of the Scriptures by some authors is typical of both Dispensationalism and Premillennialism in general. Both systems of interpretation "read things" into the scriptures that are not actually there, and then make claims that their's is a literalist system.

Can you give us even one single Scripture that says that the great tribulation period lasts for 7 years? That's not from the inerrant authority of the word, that's your personal interpretation of the word. Or can you give us even one Scripture that says the believers will be taken out of the world before the Great Tribulation? Again, not a private interpretation, which some Theologians claim "may mean that," but any actual scripture that says that the church cannot go through the Great Tribulation and must, or will, be raptured before it starts?

Matthew 24:15

• "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

How can they both be in the world and see the great tribulation, and have already been taken out of the world before it? On the contrary, God informs us that not only will the saints be here, but they should be aware that when they "see" the abomination of desolation,they are to flee to the mountains. So from the inerrant authority of Scriptures, it is absurd to think that the saints will have been raptured because God didn't want them to go through the wrath of this tribulation.

Therefore we understand that this is either your interpretation or the thoughts of your teachers. But it is not the actual word of God. Do you know of any Scripture that says people are going to be physically martyred by the millions in the great tribulation? ..I've searched the Scriptures for years and I can't come up with such a declaration. So this begs the question, where did you get that number? God's word is what we must look to for doctrine, correction and our instruction in what is the great tribulation. It is not Dr. Dave Breese's book.

2nd Timothy 3:16-17

• ""All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
  doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
• That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good
  works."

If we are to be perfect before God, we must look to His Holy word alone, and it will thoroughly equip us to know what is the truth so that we will follow the His doctrines, and eschew the words and deceptions of men. We have to keep the word perfectly clear before us, that we know the difference between our own interpretations, and God's word itself. When we faithfully bear witness to God's word so that we can quote it word for word, then we know we have truth. When we do not, we have only the words, ideas and imaginations of man's heart.