How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[Kylie]

Do you seriously have to ask this?

Even YOU believe those things I wrote are real.

The things in that list do not prove that God is real, they only prove that people BELIEVE he is real.

People believing something does not mean that what they believe is true.

As I like to point out:

You don't see the Bible being sold in the FICTION section.

I don't see any of the other holy texts being sold in the fiction section either. Maybe they're ALL true!

 

[AV1611VET]

Non sequitur. The authorship of the various books of the Bible is generally not known for certain.

In any case, it's quite possible that in time people will say that JKR did die claiming what she wrote was real. And if there was no way to check it, how would we be able to say otherwise?

Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts? in your opinion?

 

[AV1611VET]

The things in that list do not prove that God is real, they only prove that people BELIEVE he is real.

Which came first, in your opinion? God or belief in God?

People believing something does not mean that what they believe is true.

That is correct.

I don't see any of the other holy texts being sold in the fiction section either.

Neither do I.

Maybe they're ALL true!

Do you belief that? if not, mind if I don't either?

 

[SkyWriting]

Well for the record, the only facet of science I know of that can evidence God is cause-and-effect.
David wrote of it:Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.But it's vast enough that others can apply it to other religions, claim equal airtime, then end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

My family is growing larger every year because my wife and I gather wet babies, rinse off the soap, and take them home. In the summer we dry them all on the clothesline in the backyard. People just keep tossing them out with the bathwater.

 

[AV1611VET]

My family is growing larger every year because my wife and I gather wet babies, rinse off the soap, and take them home. In the summer we dry them all on the clothesline in the backyard.

That's ... just ... odd.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's ... just ... odd.

People just keep tossing them out with the bathwater.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts?

Probably not. So what?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Non sequitur. The authorship of the various books of the Bible is generally not known for certain.

In any case, it's quite possible that in time people will say that JKR did die claiming what she wrote was real. And if there was no way to check it, how would we be able to say otherwise?

Some of the works of Paul are thought to be written by him. The problem is that he himself admitted that he was not an eyewitness. His "evidence" only consisted of visions and it appears that he disagreed with some of the disciples that did know Jesus when he was alive. And Paul was very probably killed for his beliefs. But there is no evidence that he was offered a chance to recant. In fact there are no reliable sources that can support Av's beliefs. There were two or three actual martyrs that are well supported. The rest are merely church tradition, in other words stories without supporting evidence.

 

[Astrid]

The things in that list do not prove that God is real, they only prove that people BELIEVE he is real.

People believing something does not mean that what they believe is true.



I don't see any of the other holy texts being sold in the fiction section either. Maybe they're ALL true!

The " science " parts of bible are fiction.

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably not. So what?

Then I'll just take Post 1420 with a grain of salt.

 

[AV1611VET]

The " science " parts of bible are fiction.

How would you know?

 

[Kylie]

Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts? in your opinion?

Considering that, for the most part, you can't show that the authors usually given credit for the books of the Bible actually wrote them, your question is irrelevant.

The better question would be: In the future, would people claim JKR died for what she wrote if it got people to believe that the Harry Potter books were true, thus giving the people making the claim a way to influence those who believed the claim?

I think we both know the answer is yes.

 

[Kylie]

Which came first, in your opinion? God or belief in God?

You know I'm an atheist, right? I don't think God has come at all.

Do you belief that? if not, mind if I don't either?

Way to miss my point.

Those things you listed are not evidence for God. They are evidence that people believe in God.

God and belief in God are two different things. You can not conclude that God is real just because belief in God is real.

 

[Kylie]

Some of the works of Paul are thought to be written by him. The problem is that he himself admitted that he was not an eyewitness. His "evidence" only consisted of visions and it appears that he disagreed with some of the disciples that did know Jesus when he was alive. And Paul was very probably killed for his beliefs. But there is no evidence that he was offered a chance to recant. In fact there are no reliable sources that can support Av's beliefs. There were two or three actual martyrs that are well supported. The rest are merely church tradition, in other words stories without supporting evidence.

Well, I did say the authors are generally not known...

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering that, for the most part, you can't show that the authors usually given credit for the books of the Bible actually wrote them, your question is irrelevant.

The better question would be: In the future, would people claim JKR died for what she wrote if it got people to believe that the Harry Potter books were true, thus giving the people making the claim a way to influence those who believed the claim?

I think we both know the answer is yes.

Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts? in your opinion?

 

[AV1611VET]

You know I'm an atheist, right? I don't think God has come at all.

And there's the biggest difference in our view of history.

 

[SkyWriting]

The " science " parts of bible are fiction.

So you are not keen on observation and documentation?
What methods are better?

 

[Kylie]

Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts? in your opinion?

It doesn't matter.

As I've already explained.

 

[Kylie]

And there's the biggest difference in our view of history.

So why did you ask me a question that doesn't apply to me at all?

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't matter.

As I've already explained.

Then I'll go ahead and take your Post 1420 with a grain of salt.

The [human] authors of the Bible died for what they wrote; and I personally believe JKR would not have, since she knew she wrote fiction.

In other words: no comparison.