How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

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FrumiousBandersnatch

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No, in that case there is no start. It's an infinite sequence of events, and should therefore include an infinite subset of events that don't operate under our current understanding of spacetime.
The point is that specifying an infinite series of events implies that every event has an infinite number of preceding events, so you can't argue that any particular event can't have happened yet without contradicting your premise.

OTOH you could simply assert that an infinite series of events is not possible; but arguing that some event would not have happened yet begs the question, and, by extension, argues that no events could have happened.
 
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The point is that specifying an infinite series of events implies that every event has an infinite number of preceding events, so you can't argue that any particular event can't have happened yet without contradicting your premise.

OTOH you could simply assert that an infinite series of events is not possible; but arguing that some event would not have happened yet begs the question, and, by extension, argues that no events could have happened.

Well, I didn't want to assert that it's not possible, just that it won't work under our current understanding of spacetime. For it to work, it would have to be due to something weird and incomprehensible.
 
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Well, I didn't want to assert that it's not possible, just that it won't work under our current understanding of spacetime. For it to work, it would have to be due to something weird and incomprehensible.
What would prevent it under our current understanding of spacetime?
 
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I don't think GOD can actually be found by science.
That's because science has limitations.

Looking for God with man-made technology is like looking for wood chips buried in the sand with a metal detector.

HOWEVER ... that doesn't mean God can't be found.

If one opens his eyes to the truth, he will see evidence of God everywhere.

Cause and effect evidence.

Namely:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, icons, edifices, statues and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
 
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That's because science has limitations.

Looking for God with man-made technology is like looking for wood chips buried in the sand with a metal detector.

HOWEVER ... that doesn't mean God can't be found.

If one opens his eyes to the truth, he will see evidence of God everywhere.

Cause and effect evidence.

Namely:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, icons, edifices, statues and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Then I suppose that the fact that Quidditch matches are held all over the world is evidence that Hogwarts is real, right?
 
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Then I suppose that the fact that Quidditch matches are held all over the world is evidence that Hogwarts is real, right?
Are you talking about something in a book that was written and sold as fiction?
 
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Then I suppose that the fact that Quidditch matches are held all over the world is evidence that Hogwarts is real, right?
It is evidence that Quidditch matches are fun all over the world.
People believe in the game. People think it's true. People find meaning in playing.
 
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It is evidence that Quidditch matches are fun all over the world.
People believe in the game. People think it's true. People find meaning in playing.
QV post 1407.

Atheists like them.

Fiction supports their belief.
 
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I’ve probably mentioned this before but trying to prove the existence of G-d through science can be considered blasphemy.
Well for the record, the only facet of science I know of that can evidence God is cause-and-effect.

David wrote of it:

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Jesus used it:

Matthew 11:2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.


But it's vast enough that others can apply it to other religions, claim equal airtime, then end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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It is evidence that Quidditch matches are fun all over the world.
People believe in the game. People think it's true. People find meaning in playing.

And how is anything from the list that AV provided any different?
 
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Oh, and if JKR had presented it as fact and insisted that Hogwarts was real, that would make all the difference?
Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts?
 
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And how is anything from the list that AV provided any different?
Do you seriously have to ask this?

Even YOU believe those things I wrote are real.

As I like to point out:

You don't see the Bible being sold in the FICTION section.
 
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Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts?
People die for false beliefs quite frequently. It is not evidence of anything. Even worse it appears that the number of Christian martyrs has been grossly exaggerated. When it comes to biblical figures the number appears to be less than 5.
 
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People die for false beliefs quite frequently. It is not evidence of anything. Even worse it appears that the number of Christian martyrs has been grossly exaggerated. When it comes to biblical figures the number appears to be less than 5.
Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts?
 
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Would JKR die for what she wrote -- claiming she wrote the facts?

Non sequitur. The authorship of the various books of the Bible is generally not known for certain.

In any case, it's quite possible that in time people will say that JKR did die claiming what she wrote was real. And if there was no way to check it, how would we be able to say otherwise?
 
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