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How to perfectly understand...."born again".

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Sidon, Jul 4, 2021.

  1. Sidon

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    Let me show a way to perfectly SEE salvation. = "born again".

    The reason this is so so so important, is because until you SEE what God has recreated you to be, as a "new Creation" "In Christ", you wont be able to live in the power of God that is your deliverance as : "Christ always GIVES ME.......the Victory", which is the Grace of God.

    What this means, is that most believers, the born again, who don't live in this truth as their real faith, found as the power of God's deliverance OVER "the world , their flesh, and the devil", are not in the renewed mind and are a confused disciple because they are walking "according to the Flesh", (carnal mind) instead of walking under the dominion of GRACE, where THE "victory" is only found, as the renewed mind.

    So, let me show you a perfect way to see yourself as the "new Creation", "born again".
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    Saint, all things with God are...>"BELIEVE and RECEIVE".
    All things with God are given to us., as a "gift"

    Notice.... Salvation is : "The Gift of Salvation".
    Righteousness is : "The Gift of Righteousness".
    The 9 Heavenly anointing's, are : "Spiritual Gifts".

    Nothing God offers that exists as The Kingdom of God, is earned. Its all a Gift.

    Even Jesus, is the Gift of God, who is : "the only begotten SON", who came here because "for God so loved the world .....that HE GAVE"..
    See that?....... John 3:16
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    Now let me now show you a perfect way to SEE your Salvation, that God has provided to you as the CROSS of Christ, which is: "the GIFT of Salvation".

    In Genesis, you have God creating man as : "in our Image".
    1st "Adam".
    So, The OT says that Adam had perfect fellowship/relationship/peace, with God.
    So, why didn't Satan?
    Why didn't the devil?
    Because Satan was not righteous, he had SIN.
    Whereas 1st Adam, was the "image" or Likeness of God, Spiritually, = as God is "A" Spirit.
    So, the same "A" Spirit that was in 1st Adam, is the Holy Spirit, that is the exact Spirit of God, and is HOLY = Righteous.....sinless.
    So, for as long as Adam was exactly like that, Spiritually, He had infinite and perfect relationship, fellowship, and PEACE, with God.

    See that?

    Adam had God's "likeness" which is : the righteousness of God. This is the same SPIRIT that God Has,.... 1st Adam had, then lost.
    So, while He had that "A" Spirit......He had UNION of SPIRIT with God, as both had the same Spirit, = The Holy Spirit.
    See that relationship = IN THE Spirit? That is "Spiritual UNION".

    When Adam sinned, then all this was LOST. Spiritual union was broken.
    And once lost, once broken.... then all Spiritual relationship with God was gone, as Adam's Spirit DIED because of his disobedience, so the relationship that was shared between God and 1st Adam was cut off, was disconnected, was dead. 1st Adam became separated from God's Holy Spirit.
    That is what is meant by "dead" or "In Adam all die". 1st Corinthians 15

    Now, what God did to resolve your separation from His Holy Spirit, (because you have sinned), was come here as the 2nd Adam, with the same holiness, righteousness, and Holy SPIRIT.
    This is offered to you, as a "Gift".
    This is what Jesus is talking about when He says dying on The Cross....."it is Finished".
    This is the completion of what Jesus had to do, so that God could offer you the only way to become reconciled to God. John 14:6

    Salvation is the 2nd Adam, JESUS..... offering you this same righteousness as He IS, that you become, = Spiritually, ....that is the "new birth", and the "new Creation". "In Christ".

    Salvation, is Jesus as the 2nd Adam, giving Eternal LIFE to your dead Spirit, as Himself the Spirit of God, living in you as "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory".
    When this happens, you have become born again SPIRITUALLY< as a "Son of God", exactly as 1st Adam was before he sinned and lost this position, and relationship, and Sonship.

    See that?

    See that "reconciliation" that God provides to you as "the gift of Salvation"?
    The born again
    are restored to the same SPIRITUAL relationship that 1st Adam had with God before he lost it.
    We get this "gift" because we are become JOINED to the 2nd Adam, as who we become as "the New Creation", "born again"..."In Christ".
    To be "Made Righteous", is to be restored to the same state of righteousness, that 1st Adam had before He fell.
    This is accomplished as "eternal life", which is the 2nd Adam, Jesus, coming to live inside our Spirit that causes it to be born again, as "ONE WITH GOD, in Christ".
    This is Salvation, and its a "Gift".
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    That is who you become, as "born again".
    That is who you are as "the new Creation" "in Christ".
    That is what it means to be "born again" SPIRITUALLY.
    That is what John is talking about in : 1 John 3:9
    That is your dead Spirit, being rebirthed by God's Holy Spirit, as "" Christ in You".. which becomes YOU....as the Born again "new Creation" "In Christ".
    This is all the born again who have become..."The Righteousness of GOD, In Christ".

    This is YOUR Born again SPIRIT, become "= One with God, IN Christ".
    This is your Eternal LIFE.
    This is the GIFT of Salvation.


    That is who you have become as a "SON of God", ...as the "new CREATION IN Christ, when you become a CHRISTian.....
    See it?
    That is what it means to become 'ONE with God", "IN Christ".
    That is now who you have been Spiritually BIRTHED to be, as born again INTO GOD's Spirit, by the Holy Spirit of God. = "new CREATION...In Christ".

    This is why the born again become a "SON" of God., as Born AGAIN...as "ONE with GOD, In Christ".
    This is why Paul teaches you that .."As Jesus IS, so are the born again ...IN THIS WORLD">.
    See that?

    When you can see it, when you get this revelation.... and know this is the real you as the "born again"...."NEW CREATION" "IN CHRIST">.. then your mind is renewed and you are "walking IN The Spirit".
     
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  2. Brightfame52

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    This is where you go astray. Theres no offer, a Gift is given, imputed, imparted as necessary. God doesnt offer dead men anything, they're dead ! Jesus could not merely offer Lazarus life from the dead, He gave it to him as a Gift ! Being born again isnt offered, its given, just like mans physical birth wasnt offered to him ? Did God offer you to be born into this world when you were given physical life ?
     
  3. fhansen

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    That was all good. Except that even once born again one can still fall again, as Adam did to begin with. We still struggle with sin in actuality, still struggle with the same attraction to distancing ourselves from God as Adam had, for the same reasons: pride, mistrust, ignorance, preferring ourselves and our agendas to God's, not yet fully recognizing His perfect wisdom and our need for Him. We're still often tempted in many ways to follow the family tradition, to sin.

    But man wasn't created to sin-and sin means that we're still testing the waters, still not fully given over to good-over evil-to remaining in God. But God is patient and kind, wanting us all to come to Him, and remain in Him, and empowers us by grace to do just that, to overcome the sin that would separate us from Him, as we're willing.

    What truly seals a person against this separation-and into God's family- is the extent to which we know and, most importantly, love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. That is the true "bonding agent" that ultimately keeps us from straying, and that excludes sin, that which condemns and kills us, in the process. And it is a process, a journey. With that love, obedience flows naturally and of its own accord. That's what Adam lacked in Eden, and that's what God wants us all to have, for our greatest and highest good.
     
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  4. Sidon

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    Here is where you've never been yet.., according to your own words, Brightframe52

    "the Gift of Salvation"..."The Gift of Righteousness".

    If you die without this free God given gift, it wont be because you have not heard about it, as God knows i write about it constantly on this Forum, and you've read it a LOT.
    That's on you.
     
  5. Sidon

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    The born again can commit a "work of the flesh".
    What they can't do is stop being born again.
    Adam was never born again.
    You can't be born again by water.
     
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    Thats impossible for one to die without righteousness imputed, whom Christ had their sins imputed to Him 2 Cor 5:21. Its imputed to them as a free gift !
     
  7. Sidon

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    Salvation is a free Gift.
    IT was completed for us, 2000 yrs ago , by Jesus on the Cross.
     
  8. fhansen

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    we're born again by whatever means Christ tells us, with faith as the essential. and yes, we can forfeit our new life
     
  9. Sidon

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    What are you talking about?
    Do you own a New Testament?

    Listen, we are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT., not by "whatever means Christ tells us".
     
  10. fhansen

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    Wouldn't ordinarily stoop to childishness but here goes...

    What are you talking about?
    Do you own a New Testament?

    Jesus reveals the Holy Spirit to us, and His work in us. And Paul goes on to tell us how by that same Spirit we must overcome sin, in order to live.
     
  11. Sidon

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    "In order to live" where?
     
  12. Navair2

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    Amen.
    A gift, not a reward, Sidon.

    Eternal life is not a reward for belief, for repentance, for any good work that we could ever do as men ( Titus 3:4-7 ) to receive it...
    It is a gift given strictly by His grace and mercy alone.

    Gifts have no strings attached and no conditions that need to be met before-hand...
    Not even true faith, which is a gift in itself ( Ephesians 2:8 ), authored and finished by Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 12:2 ) and is what believers live in the flesh by ( Galatians 2:20 ).

    Reception of a gift is, by nature, not dependent upon the "hand that reaches out";
    It is totally dependent upon "the hand that gives it".
     
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  13. Navair2

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    Speaking for myself, I've been there and gone past it;
    Won't ever forget about it, either.:amen:

    My question to you is, will you ever get past focusing on what we can do to "receive the gift",
    and zero in on what He has done for those that He loves ( Romans 8:28-30 )?
    For those who have freely received the gifts that He has freely, and without outside influence, given to them based on His completely unmerited favor towards them?

    My prayer is that you will someday.
    I agree...
    And it was begun, for His people, before the foundation of the world ( Matthew 25:34, Ephesians 1:4-6, 1 Peter 1:20, Revelation 13:8, Revelation 17:8 ).

    " He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." ( Isaiah 53:8 ).

    " And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." ( Matthew 1:21 ).


    As always, I wish you well, Sidon.
     
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  14. Sidon

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    And that is why you didnt quote me as saying that a gift is a reward.
     
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    Sure, just as soon as you get past saying i focus on how we receive the gift, which isnt true.

    I have about 45 Threads written in the last 4-5 weeks im here.
    Of these, 3-5 are designated as detailed discussion on "born again".
    40ish, talk about how to stop sinning or how to walk in the spirit or something similar.
    The one i'll post tomorrow, teaches you how to "be set free".
    So, that is the usual 98% Theme of my Threads, if you care to check., Navair2

    There is "God's Grace'< and there is "how to exist in it".
    That's my main teaching on this particular forum, as this one is loaded with "pre-destined elect" and "commandment keepers".
    So, that is heavy bondage, and so, i dial in the Thread's topics, accordingly.
    Any real teacher teaches into the need verses just teaching.
     
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  17. Sidon

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    The Born again are already there.
    They are "seated in heavenly places , in Christ".......right now.

    The born again are....>>""As Jesus IS< so are the born again.....In this World".

    That is how you become "with God".
     
  18. fhansen

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    Maybe in your imagination. In real life you know that you're with Him, that your faith has any real meaning and validity, that you're living by the Spirit, to the degree that you're free of actual sin in thought, word, and deed, to the degree that you do good, to the degree that you love Him with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and your neighbor as yourself IOW. Yes, you are obligated, to love. Sorry for the inconvenience, light as that burden is.

    To the extent that this love is perfected, we're with Him. It begins here but confirmed and consummated fully only in the next life when we meet Him "face to face". Until then we don't have some kind of 100% absolute certainty unless, again, in ones imaginative life. We can have a level of confidence, not certainty.
     
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  19. Sidon

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    Like all legalists, your entire theology is "you , you, you"....>"look at me me me talk about me me and what im doing "

    See yourself?
    Where is the Cross?
    Where is the Blood?
    Where is God saving you = John 14:6?

    Oh that's right, you left that out again., and again, and again.
    And not just you.
     
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    It's not my doing if you read myself and Scripture both with blinders and without comprehension. You're still stifled in you knowledge, still blinded by a novel gospel.
     
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