How to kill Palestinians

[Rion]

NO! Not God's DIVINE will.

I would be very careful when trying to say something is or is not God's will.

So this is what you understood from the above post?

Look at the post time, we posted the exact same minute, so no it has nothing to do with your post.

No wonder this explains a lot in how you interpret scripture.

Please refrain from personal comments.

If you want Israelites out of the M.E., then they need somewhere to go. They're not going to stick around under Palestinian rule due to people having this bizarre desire to live. So if you want to make things peaceful, you're going to have to move one group or the other, and find a place for them.

 

[Carey]

I would be very careful when trying to say something is or is not God's will.




Look at the post time, we posted the exact same minute, so no it has nothing to do with your post.



Please refrain from personal comments.

If you want Israelites out of the M.E., then they need somewhere to go. They're not going to stick around under Palestinian rule due to people having this bizarre desire to live. So if you want to make things peaceful, you're going to have to move one group or the other, and find a place for them.

Moving any group will not cause peace.

When Christ returns is the time true peace will come and then Palestinians will not be allowed to be muslim or have God's chosen peoples land either....

 

[Rion]

You're missing my point. They are claiming that the Jews need to leave or submit to the Palestinians in order to have "peace." Since Submission would lead to death for Israelites, they'd have to leave for their plan to "work."

I'm just showing how unrealistic their claims are.

 

[Micah68]

You're missing my point. They are claiming that the Jews need to leave or submit to the Palestinians in order to have "peace." Since Submission would lead to death for Israelites, they'd have to leave for their plan to "work."

I'm just showing how unrealistic their claims are.

Truth is seen when people only seek peace.

A political marriage of necessity: a single state of Palestine-Israel

The case of South Africa shows that a unity government can succeed.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0514/p09s01-coop.html

 

[Servant222]

When you negotiate, you have to accept that some things are inviolate, are lines in the sand.

In the Middle East:

1. Israel will NEVER accept a single state solution- if nothing else, because the Palestinians have already declared that they would out-populate the Jews and eventually take over. I don't think so.

2. The Jews will never, ever give up control of the Western (Wailing) wall. Never, ever- Mecca would become a Tel Aviv nightclub first.

O.K. so now that we've got that settled, let's get into some realistic negotiations.

 

[Tanakh]

My Dear, can you explain why Moses never got to go into the Promised Land?

Dueteronomy 34:1 Then Moses ascended from the deserts of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the summit of Pisgah, which is opposite Jericho. 1 The Lord showed him the whole land – Gilead to Dan, 34:2 and all of Naphtali, the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the distant 2 sea, 34:3 the Negev, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of the date palm trees, as far as Zoar. 34:4 Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land I promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ 3 I have let you see it, 4 but you will not cross over there.”


Once again you choose to ignore the conditions for entering and holding the land.
The View from Mount Nebo is beautiful by the way.

You tell me why Moses was not allowed to enter Israel and what are the conditions for "holding the land"?

 

[Servant222]

Oh, one more line in the sand: Israel will never, ever allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons in order to force a settlement of the Palestinian situation.

Why Iran doesn't recognize this absolute fact of life and risks exposing its citizens to a nuclear holocast is dumbfounding to me. Can there be any doubt that if the Iranians so much as hint that they have a nuclear missile poised and ready to be shot at Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, the Israelis will immediately take out Tehran and probably Mecca for good measure too.

But this seems to be a fact of life with the Palestinians- western countries may be seen to be "soft" and not wanting to risk all for the sake of a cause, but the Israelis are not like that- if push comes to shove, they will match brutality with brutality.

Just ask any of the relatives of the madmen that killed the Israeli athletes in Munich if the Israelis don't believe that getting even is better than getting mad.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I agree with everything you say- except the first and the last lines. Peace is a two way street- both sides must stop ignoring God's commandments.
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When someone is trying to resolve an issue, you need to do so one step at a time, and ask yourself at every step: Is this taking me towards the goal of reconciliation, or away from it?

You also have to look forward- the past can't be changed, but the future can be.

So in the case of the Palestinians and the Israelis:

1. additional settlements in disputed lands are a backwards step.

2. suicide bombings are a backwards step.

3. refusing to recognize Israel's right to exist is a backward step.

4. not working to secure a Palestinian homeland is a backwards step.

5. indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel is a backwards step.

6. not allowing citizens to be free to embrace the religion of their choice, even if that means conversion, is a backwards step.

7. not allowing citizens of different faiths or ethic backgrounds to fall in love and marry is a backwards step.

8. inhibiting the free flow of ideas (free speech) and democracy is a backwards step.

9. accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and following His commandments and the direction of the Holy Spirit, would be a huge step forward.

Anyway, you get my drift; maybe others can add their own "forward" and "backwards" steps with regard to bringing about peace in the Middle East.

Peace is a two way street, I absolutely agree.

But I don't agree that justice can be ignored and arrive at real peace.

There is the issue of restitution by Israel for the land the Palestinians were forced off of or killed to take.

There is the issue of the policies of Israel which are included, in part, in your steps backwards, that need to be changed, for as long as they exist, there can be no steps forward and we are stuck.

The root cause of the problem must be dealt with, otherwise, it will keep coming back to haunt everything positive that might be accomplished.

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[thereselittleflower]

I would be very careful when trying to say something is or is not God's will.

The State of Israel is not God's divine will. It is allowed as part of His permissive will. What the State of Israel and Zionists are doing, and have been doing to the Palestinians is not God's divine will, but merely allowed as part of His permissive will.

I am not too concerned with calling a spade a spade. If we as Crhsitians do not do so, and stand up for truth, justice, and peace, then who will?

Questioning whether evil is God's divine will or not is something I would be careful of.

Look at the post time, we posted the exact same minute, so no it has nothing to do with your post.

Why are you mixing in a reply to someone else in with your reply to me and acting as though you are replying to the same person?

And no one posted at the exact same time as you did.

Have no idea what you are talking about here at all.

Please refrain from personal comments.

Talking about your personal interpretation is not a "personal comment".

And again, this has nothing to do with me, so why are you acting as though it does?

If you want Israelites out of the M.E., then they need somewhere to go. They're not going to stick around under Palestinian rule due to people having this bizarre desire to live. So if you want to make things peaceful, you're going to have to move one group or the other, and find a place for them.

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all. First, no one has said they want the Israelites out of the middle east.

Second, the idea they have to go somewhere is simply out there in left field and really doesn't have anything to do with anything.

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[thereselittleflower]

Oh, one more line in the sand: Israel will never, ever allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons in order to force a settlement of the Palestinian situation.

Why Iran doesn't recognize this absolute fact of life and risks exposing its citizens to a nuclear holocast is dumbfounding to me. Can there be any doubt that if the Iranians so much as hint that they have a nuclear missile poised and ready to be shot at Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, the Israelis will immediately take out Tehran and probably Mecca for good measure too.

But this seems to be a fact of life with the Palestinians- western countries may be seen to be "soft" and not wanting to risk all for the sake of a cause, but the Israelis are not like that- if push comes to shove, they will match brutality with brutality.

Just ask any of the relatives of the madmen that killed the Israeli athletes in Munich if the Israelis don't believe that getting even is better than getting mad.

Why does Israel get to dictate to the rest of the middle east what happens and how?

Who made Israel the one who gets to call the shots?

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[Tanakh]

Why does Israel get to dictate to the rest of the middle east what happens and how?

Who made Israel the one who gets to call the shots?

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"Who made Israel the one who gets to call the shots?"

Hmmm..........G-d!

 

[Rion]

Why are you mixing in a reply to someone else in with your reply to me and acting as though you are replying to the same person?

Because I couldn't make it post who the quotes were from.

And no one posted at the exact same time as you did.

Four minutes difference.

Talking about your personal interpretation is not a "personal comment".

If me saying your posts come off as Anti-Semetic is a "personal attack" then so is making little comments about how I interpret scripture.

And again, this has nothing to do with me, so why are you acting as though it does?

It doesn't, you're making assumptions.

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all. First, no one has said they want the Israelites out of the middle east.

Second, the idea they have to go somewhere is simply out there in left field and really doesn't have anything to do with anything.

It does. If you want peace in the Middle East, Israel will either have to leave or submit to the Arabic community, which will lead to genocide of their people. I'm just saying that you need to be realistic on the situation.

 

[Tanakh]

Peace is a two way street, I absolutely agree.

But I don't agree that justice can be ignored and arrive at real peace.

There is the issue of restitution by Israel for the land the Palestinians were forced off of or killed to take.

There is the issue of the policies of Israel which are included, in part, in your steps backwards, that need to be changed, for as long as they exist, there can be no steps forward and we are stuck.

The root cause of the problem must be dealt with, otherwise, it will keep coming back to haunt everything positive that might be accomplished.

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How do you plan on dealing with the "root cause" of the problem and what might not be accomplished if this cause is not dealt with?

 

[IamRedeemed]

Amen, and the the US had no business encouraging Israel to give up the Gaza Strip either.

I wonder if people know that Israel only makes up 1/10th of the world's population, yet the whole world revolves around them and that they are also the world's mightiest military power, just as in the days of Gideon's army. People should read the accounts of non-Israelites (their enemies) of the 6 day war. God's hand is very much still with Israel. His Word is still just as true now as the day He said it when He said those that bless them will He bless and those who curse them will He curse.

There is NO WAY that an adopted child of God aka gentile who has been saved through Christ, who was a Jew, cannot love the Israelites. We are instructed by God's Word to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

If any one who claims the name of Christ but has ought against the Jews, you need to repent in Jesus name with a serious quickness, because an anti-semitic spirit is of the devil.

Please read your Bibles and see how crucial Israel's role is to those of us who claim to be bought by the blood of the lamb.

~selah and God bless

"Who made Israel the one who gets to call the shots?"

Hmmm..........G-d!

 

[Micah68]

How small people make God to be to think that we have pre-written history in our hand when we read the Bible......

What Christians Don’t Know About Israel


By Grace Halsell


American Jews sympathetic to Israel dominate key positions in all areas of our government where decisions are made regarding the Middle East. This being the case, is there any hope of ever changing U.S. policy? President Bill Clinton as well as most members of Congress support Israel—and they know why. U.S. Jews sympathetic to Israel donate lavishly to their campaign coffers.
The answer to achieving an even-handed Middle East policy might lie elsewhere—among those who support Israel but don’t really know why. This group is the vast majority of Americans. They are well-meaning, fair-minded Christians who feel bonded to Israel—and Zionism—often from atavistic feelings, in some cases dating from childhood.
I am one of those. I grew up listening to stories of a mystical, allegorical, spiritual Israel. This was before a modern political entity with the same name appeared on our maps. I attended Sunday School and watched an instructor draw down window- type shades to show maps of the Holy Land. I imbibed stories of a Good and Chosen people who fought against their Bad “unChosen” enemies.
In my early 20s, I began traveling the world, earning my living as a writer. I came to the subject of the Middle East rather late in my career. I was sadly lacking in knowledge regarding the area. About all I knew was what I had learned in Sunday School.
And typical of many U.S. Christians, I somehow considered a modern state created in 1948 as a homeland for Jews persecuted under the Nazis as a replica of the spiritual, mystical Israel I heard about as a child. When in 1979 I initially went to Jerusalem, I planned to write about the three great monotheistic religions and leave out politics. “Not write about politics?” scoffed one Palestinian, smoking a water pipe in the Old Walled City. “We eat politics, morning, noon and night!”
As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000 years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the Second World War. By living among Israeli Jews as well as Palestinian Christians and Muslims, I saw, heard, smelled, experienced the police state tactics Israelis use against Palestinians.

My research led to a book entitled Journey to Jerusalem. My journey not only was enlightening to me as regards Israel, but also I came to a deeper, and sadder, understanding of my own country. I say sadder understanding because I began to see that, in Middle East politics, we the people are not making the decisions, but rather that supporters of Israel are doing so. And typical of most Americans, I tended to think the U.S. media was “free” to print news impartially. (continued)​

 

[thereselittleflower]

You tell me why Moses was not allowed to enter Israel and what are the conditions for "holding the land"?

Why should the person who asked the question be required to answer it?

Why are you not answering it?

Quite a dodge I would say . . .

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[thereselittleflower]

Amen, and the the US had no business encouraging Israel to give up the Gaza Strip either.

I wonder if people know that Israel only makes up 1/10th of the world's population, yet the whole world revolves around them and that they are also the world's mightiest military power, just as in the days of Gideon's army. People should read the accounts of non-Israelites (their enemies) of the 6 day war. God's hand is very much still with Israel. His Word is still just as true now as the day He said it when He said those that bless them will He bless and those who curse them will He curse.

There is NO WAY that an adopted child of God aka gentile who has been saved through Christ, who was a Jew, cannot love the Israelites. We are instructed by God's Word to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

If any one who claims the name of Christ but has ought against the Jews, you need to repent in Jesus name with a serious quickness, because an anti-semitic spirit is of the devil.

Please read your Bibles and see how crucial Israel's role is to those of us who claim to be bought by the blood of the lamb.

~selah and God bless

This is nothing more than a repetition of the zionist propaganda we have been hearing here for quite some time.

It is nothing more than that. It is not God who has done this, it is man, those with apocalyptic vision trying to orchestrate history and current events to lead to the "apocalypse". . . . problem is, we may end up experiencing such a dire and catastrophic turn of events, but not because it was part of God's plan, but rather the plan of men seeking power and control.

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[thereselittleflower]

How do you plan on dealing with the "root cause" of the problem and what might not be accomplished if this cause is not dealt with?

how do "I" plan on dealing with the "root cause"?

I cannot deal with the root cause myself, so I have no "plans" to do so.

But I encourage everyone to get deep into the history of the current state of affairs and do what I did this summer, study the actual writings and words and plans and actions of the zionists.

Knowledge is power. Armed with the right knowledge, perhaps we can all help the situation to change in the middle east, which means that Israel would no longer be a Zionist country, but rather a true democracy.

From there, perhaps the Jews and the Palestinians can find their way to creating ONE state where each have equal rights and priviledges and live side by side in cooperation and peace.

If the root cause is not dealt with, ie Zionism, then such peace will never be . . . .

Instead, we face the grave possiblity of thermonucelar war.

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[IamRedeemed]

I don't know a lot about "zionists",
but I know what the Word of God says.
Perhaps you should read more of it more often? Just a thought.

This is nothing more than a repetition of the zionist propaganda we have been hearing here for quite some time.

It is nothing more than that. It is not God who has done this, it is man, those with apocalyptic vision trying to orchestrate history and current events to lead to the "apocalypse". . . . problem is, we may end up experiencing such a dire and catastrophic turn of events, but not because it was part of God's plan, but rather the plan of men seeking power and control.

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[thereselittleflower]

Because I couldn't make it post who the quotes were from.

There is a multi quote feature at the bottom of each post. Just click on it from each post you want to quote.

Without doing that, at the very least you could put the person's name you are addressing at the beginning of each quote.

Four minutes difference.

And? What did that have to do with me?

If me saying your posts come off as Anti-Semetic is a "personal attack" then so is making little comments about how I interpret scripture.

No, not at all. The term "anti-semitic" is very loaded and misused to denegreate others, defame them, etc. It is a flame.

To discuss what goes into someone's interpretation of scripture is part of what we discuss in these forums. If you are going to post your interpretation of scripture, then be prepared for your interpretation, and what goes into it, to be discussed. That is part of theology.

Calling someone anti-semitic is not. It is a slur.

It doesn't, you're making assumptions.

No I wasn't. you started with my quote and then kept saying "you". Naturally, anyone would think you were still talking to me.

Simply put the person's name in at the top of the quote so to avoid confusion like this. Don't blame the other person for misunderstanding something you made very confusing by the way you created your post.

It does. If you want peace in the Middle East, Israel will either have to leave or submit to the Arabic community, which will lead to genocide of their people. I'm just saying that you need to be realistic on the situation.

Baloney. To have peace, Zionism must give way to democracy. It is not a matter of submission. It is a matter of cooperation.

Right now, with Zionism the poliltical force in Israel, SUBMISSION of the Palestiniansn to Israel and the Zionist agenda is the goal.

THAT is why there is no peace or hope for peace.

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