How to kill Palestinians

[gwynedd1]

The Torah has not been changed by us Jews as the words are the same today as they were on Mount Sinai. So when a Christian tells us Jews what the text says I can only be too suspect as Christianity and Islam are responsible for the Torah's continued corruptive "translations" and considering that I know what the true meaning of the text really is it would be hopeless to try to say otherwise. When people use the Torah to say that Jesus is the messiah and then say we Jews do not know what our text really says by "proving" that the "new testament" is an "improvement" of the "old" is an attack on not only us Jews but on Israel itself for when people (like TLF) say that the promise to the land is not forever and then when I ask for proof she does not even respond in giving any verses in the Torah that proves that the messiah would make void that promise is rather telling that she thinks that the Torah is void because some false prophet came along and said "oh no that is not what G-d meant at all so listen to me, after all I am G-d in human form, as I know what he/I really meant to say so now I am going to start a new religion with a new covenant and change what the original text says because I know best." The promise to the land is FOREVER and Jesus is NOT predicted in the Torah as he cannot be the messiah so that means by default that Israel is our and ours alone for it does NOT belong to the "Palestinians" and if they think that the land is theirs, well then I guess they will just have to fight and die for it wont they.

Hello Tanakh,

Let the reader decide but your issue is not with Christians. We are doing the reading, not the writing in this case.


http://www.truthnet.org/TheMessiah/12_Messiah_Objections_Psalms_2_22/

As explained here you will need to draw your ire toward the Essenes sect and Philadelphus Ptolemy.

 

[Servant222]

If there is any misunderstanding about the comments of some posters, and ambiguity about how they feel the Palestinian issue should be resolved, then I would suggest a clarification is needed.

Miscommunication is a two way street: if something is unclear, readers should take more time to try and understand a position, and posters should take more time to make sure that what they say is clearly stated.

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So that there is no ambiguity, here is what I believe as a Christian:

1. That the Universe was created by God.
(Genesis 1:1)

2. That the Bible is divinely inspired by God.
(Matthew 24:14)

3. That we are all sinners who are destined to go to hell.
(Romans 3:23)

4. That God came to earth as Jesus Christ and promised that if we repent of our sins, and ask God as the Holy Spirit to guide us for the rest of our existence, and to live according to His will, that we will have eternal life and a place with Him in Heaven.
(John 3:16)

Christians need to try and obey the commandments that God provided to them in the old and new testaments, that together make up the Bible. Except for minor adjustments, the Bible has remained unchanged for over 2000 years, and cannot be altered.

Besides trusting the Bible, we also need to allow the Holy Spirit to guide us in our interpretation of scripture, and to consider the advice of Biblical scholars and pastors when we try and formulate an opinion on an issue.

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Here is what I believe about the Palestinian situation:

1. Palestinians are a group of people in the Middle East who mainly follow the Islamic faith, and who should have a country that they can call home.

2. Exactly where that country should be located today is not clear, but it needs to consider both past history and present realities, and needs to be defined on the basis of negotiations involving all parties to the dispute, and with the help of arbitrators. When you negotiate, all sides need to acknowledge each other's right to exist, and to be willing to compromise; some sacrifice is always needed.

3. The Palestinians cannot use suicide bombings, murder, kidnappings, rocket attacks, or similar terrorist tactics to try and further their position. Anyone who does that is either acting contrary to the Bible, or is violating the laws of most countries which do not permit violence, or is not respecting universal codes of conduct. Religious beliefs can never be allowed to justify violence.

4. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian cannot support, or in any way endorse, the use of violence by the Palestinians to try and further their cause. If changes are needed, they can only be achieved by non-violent, negotiated means.

5. Anyone who claims to be a Christian, and who either directly or by insinuation, supports the use of violence by the Palestinians is acting contrary to the Bible, and must repent, and publicly change their behavior.

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On all of these issues, no person of good faith and honesty should ever refuse to clarify their position, or give a straight forward answer to a specific question. As Jesus suggested in Matthew 5:

37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

 

[gwynedd1]

If there is any misunderstanding about the comments of some posters, and ambiguity about how they feel the Palestinian issue should be resolved, then I would suggest a clarification is needed.

Miscommunication is a two way street: if something is unclear, readers should take more time to try and understand a position, and posters should take more time to make sure that what they say is clearly stated.

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So that there is no ambiguity, here is what I believe as a Christian:

1. That the Universe was created by God.
(Genesis 1:1)

2. That the Bible is divinely inspired by God.
(Matthew 24:14)

3. That we are all sinners who are destined to go to hell.
(Romans 3:23)

4. That God came to earth as Jesus Christ and promised that if we repent of our sins, and ask God as the Holy Spirit to guide us for the rest of our existence, and to live according to His will, that we will have eternal life and a place with Him in Heaven.
(John 3:16)

Christians need to try and obey the commandments that God provided to them in the old and new testaments, that together make up the Bible. Except for minor adjustments, the Bible has remained unchanged for over 2000 years, and cannot be altered.

Besides trusting the Bible, we also need to allow the Holy Spirit to guide us in our interpretation of scripture, and to consider the advice of Biblical scholars and pastors when we try and formulate an opinion on an issue.

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Here is what I believe about the Palestinian situation:

1. Palestinians are a group of people in the Middle East who mainly follow the Islamic faith, and who should have a country that they can call home.

2. Exactly where that country should be located today is not clear, but it needs to consider both past history and present realities, and needs to be defined on the basis of negotiations involving all parties to the dispute, and with the help of arbitrators. When you negotiate, all sides need to acknowledge each other's right to exist, and to be willing to compromise; some sacrifice is always needed.

3. The Palestinians cannot use suicide bombings, murder, kidnappings, rocket attacks, or similar terrorist tactics to try and further their position. Anyone who does that is either acting contrary to the Bible, or is violating the laws of most countries which do not permit violence, or is not respecting universal codes of conduct. Religious beliefs can never be allowed to justify violence.

4. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian cannot support, or in any way endorse, the use of violence by the Palestinians to try and further their cause. If changes are needed, they can only be achieved by non-violent, negotiated means.

5. Anyone who claims to be a Christian, and who either directly or by insinuation, supports the use of violence by the Palestinians is acting contrary to the Bible, and must repent, and publicly change their behavior.

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On all of these issues, no person of good faith and honesty should ever refuse to clarify their position, or give a straight forward answer to a specific question. As Jesus suggested in Matthew 5:

37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

Hello Servant222,

You seem to have some taste for reconciliation and I appreciate that but I wonder if it is as yet lacking.
I already pointed out the demographic situation as being troublesome. It is a logic not unlike a conclusion that people like a ball gag in their mouth because no one complains after words. There are so few Palestinian Christians in the territories now therefore the state of Israel was not harmful, is such logic. Yes , its true that given a 100 people killing 95 of them will prevent any more than 5 dying in the future and thus the future impact taken by our fellow believers is reduced.

Your discourse with TLF and presenting a silly and destructive rhetorical question and demanding simple yes or no was a clear slight and your misuse of scripture to defend it is quite poor. Jesus used parables and explanations when necessary, was that also from the evil one?

You have not responded nor compared the use of cluster bombs by Israel in the final moments of the Lebanese war as but one example.

I will post again:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm

"What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

I have yet to see someone explain properly how this war was started by 2 captured/kidnapped soldiers. Not only could such a thing be staged but may very well be in dispute where this occurred as it would be legitimate on Lebanese soil.

Mexican Zetas do far worse on the US border and equally embed themselves in Mexico including bribery of government officials. Why do we not "de-fang" them?

I started this thread recognizing that Palestinians engage in terror or support it in elements of their population. All they need to do is cheer when a bus blows up to put it on their account no matter who conducts this.

So I do not avoid the obvious as it appears to me you do to defend your position. Leaving secular pseudo Jewish Israel and so call Christian states(basically secular) out of it seems rather one sided.


The only hope is for Palestinians to understand it is their end it will cause and should be out marching for peace. Fault is irrelevant . Israel will benefit from a war where they do not have to take responsibility. What does a politically weak and military strong country need? Pretexts and political cover. What else?

 

[Micah68]

If there is any misunderstanding about the comments of some posters, and ambiguity about how they feel the Palestinian issue should be resolved, then I would suggest a clarification is needed.

Miscommunication is a two way street: if something is unclear, readers should take more time to try and understand a position, and posters should take more time to make sure that what they say is clearly stated.

---------------------------------------

So that there is no ambiguity, here is what I believe as a Christian:

1. That the Universe was created by God.
(Genesis 1:1)

2. That the Bible is divinely inspired by God.
(Matthew 24:14)

3. That we are all sinners who are destined to go to hell.
(Romans 3:23)

4. That God came to earth as Jesus Christ and promised that if we repent of our sins, and ask God as the Holy Spirit to guide us for the rest of our existence, and to live according to His will, that we will have eternal life and a place with Him in Heaven.
(John 3:16)

Christians need to try and obey the commandments that God provided to them in the old and new testaments, that together make up the Bible. Except for minor adjustments, the Bible has remained unchanged for over 2000 years, and cannot be altered.

Besides trusting the Bible, we also need to allow the Holy Spirit to guide us in our interpretation of scripture, and to consider the advice of Biblical scholars and pastors when we try and formulate an opinion on an issue.

-------------------------

Here is what I believe about the Palestinian situation:

1. Palestinians are a group of people in the Middle East who mainly follow the Islamic faith, and who should have a country that they can call home.

2. Exactly where that country should be located today is not clear, but it needs to consider both past history and present realities, and needs to be defined on the basis of negotiations involving all parties to the dispute, and with the help of arbitrators. When you negotiate, all sides need to acknowledge each other's right to exist, and to be willing to compromise; some sacrifice is always needed.

3. The Palestinians cannot use suicide bombings, murder, kidnappings, rocket attacks, or similar terrorist tactics to try and further their position. Anyone who does that is either acting contrary to the Bible, or is violating the laws of most countries which do not permit violence, or is not respecting universal codes of conduct. Religious beliefs can never be allowed to justify violence.

4. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian cannot support, or in any way endorse, the use of violence by the Palestinians to try and further their cause. If changes are needed, they can only be achieved by non-violent, negotiated means.

5. Anyone who claims to be a Christian, and who either directly or by insinuation, supports the use of violence by the Palestinians is acting contrary to the Bible, and must repent, and publicly change their behavior.

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On all of these issues, no person of good faith and honesty should ever refuse to clarify their position, or give a straight forward answer to a specific question. As Jesus suggested in Matthew 5:

37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

I can agree in part, with your first statement regarding Christianity. You knowledge of the Palestine/Israeli conflict is incorrect and I will NEVER agree that it is OK for someone, I DO NOT CARE WHO IT IS, to come in and steal someone elses land. Literally, Thou SHALT NOT STEAL and THOU SHALT NOT KILL. I firmly believe there is NO WHERE in the HOLY BIBLE (Scofield's maybe) that supports a MODERN, SECULAR, MILIATARIST STATE called Israel. The Land is no longer an object or mentioned in NT. There Were, IN THE OT, requirements for holding the land and one is sadly missing something when one thinks it was all about the land or Abraham would have owned more than, bought and paid for full price to boot, burial plots. IT was all about being FAITHFUL to GOD. Oh you of so little faith, have made the land and supposed pre-record history your idol. How small you make God to be in your assumptions. NOW I will make this clear, OF Course the Jewish people have and need the right to live in peace and security with out fear but the way they are doing this, by stealing land and depressing the Palestinian people, will NEVER achieve this. Justice ALWAYS has a way of winning as GOD is the ultimate judge. The Palestinian people have a legal right to resist their occupation and the vast, majority Muslim and Christian alike, do NOT support suicide bombing. LOSS OF HOPE and revenge are their real motives and lay the ground for recruitment by extremist. You can deny the rights of the indigenous people all you like but I will tell you it is WRONG and NOT of Christ! Mercy, humility and justice are the things required of by God for all his people. NO Islam is not the problem in Israel and Palestine it is Zionism.

-Micah 6:8

 

[Servant222]

I sympathize with the Palestinians, especially when I see what the Bedouins in Egypt have been able to achieve by embracing peace. But how to achieve nationhood is the question.

The secular world says bomb, bomb, bomb. Many would claim that Islam says the same- but I suspect it is probably a few radicals who are only using religion as an excuse that are creating most of the problems.

But Christians simply cannot support any action that involves violence, and therefore anyone here that endorses a violent resolution to the Palestinian dilemma is not following Biblical principles.

If the Palestinians think that their cause justifies violence, then what about the Bedouins- do they also have a right to blow themselves up in downtown Cairo because their Sinai homeland is "occupied"?

 

[Rion]

The Torah has not been changed by us Jews as the words are the same today as they were on Mount Sinai.

There is at least Pslam that has been altered, where it is talking about hands and feet being pierced and the word was corrupted into "lion" in place of hands and feet. I'm not saying it's massively corrupted or anything, it's just that the Israelites have come to twist the readings/interpretations AWAY from Jesus. Early manuscripts reveal that the Jews saw Isaiah 53 as being about the Messiah, yet most Jews now claim it's about Israel (which is quite blasphamous since it's talking about the ability to take away the world's sin and guilt... something only the Lord can).

When people use the Torah to say that Jesus is the messiah and then say we Jews do not know what our text really says by "proving" that the "new testament" is an "improvement" of the "old" is an attack on not only us Jews but on Israel itself

I did not say that the NT is an "improvement" neither did Christ claim to make the old covenient void. He fulfilled it, not replace it. Again, the Jews seem to twist scripture to avoid connecting Jesus and the Christ. I actually studied what the Israelites claim on the OT. And as for "original" text, why do the Jews ignore the Dead Sea Scrolls? Seems rather odd.

for when people (like TLF) say that the promise to the land is not forever and then when I ask for proof she does not even respond in giving any verses in the Torah that proves that the messiah would make void that promise is rather telling that she thinks that the Torah is void

I haven't really paid attention to that aspect of her posts. If she is indeed claiming that, she is wrong. Any Christian who claims that Israel is abandoned is ignorant. Any Israel that believes the NT makes such a claim, is ignorant.

Romans 11

The Remnant of Israel

1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3"Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me"? 4And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day." 9And David says:
"May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever."Ingrafted Branches

11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! All Israel Will Be Saved

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Micah68]

I sympathize with the Palestinians, especially when I see what the Bedouins in Egypt have been able to achieve by embracing peace. But how to achieve nationhood is the question.

The secular world says bomb, bomb, bomb. Many would claim that Islam says the same- but I suspect it is probably a few radicals who are only using religion as an excuse that are creating most of the problems.

But Christians simply cannot support any action that involves violence, and therefore anyone here that endorses a violent resolution to the Palestinian dilemma is not following Biblical principles.

If the Palestinians think that their cause justifies violence, then what about the Bedouins- do they also have a right to blow themselves up in downtown Cairo because their Sinai homeland is "occupied"?

Video worth watching

The Easiest Targets part 1
The Easiest Targets part 2

Five women – Palestinian, American, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish – tell stories of humiliation and harassment by Israeli border guards and airport security officials.

Only a small fraction of the humiliation that goes on. I honestly wish I could take you by the hand and take you and show you what the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza have to suffer daily....and this has gone on none stop for 40+ years now.

 

[Tanakh]

Mahmoud Abbas has declared that the "Palestinian" state would only cover all 6,205 kilometers of Judea, Samaria and Gaza and yet just days ago Fatah's official TV station showed a "Palestinian" flag covering all of Israel, clearly meaning the intention of destroy the Jewish state. In the PA official newspaper Al Hayat al Jadida there are many crossword puzzles that include "clues" that say "a palestinian city" and then the answer is Haifa, Ashkelon and Lod all three of which are within the 67 borders so unless they had a typo and messed up in their publication then they have clearly stated their intentions. They say one thing to the media, to the world but then do the complete opposite in their actions. They must be very retarded in thinking that no one will pick up on what they say in their own media in which they clearly show on countless occasions that they want all of Israel not just a little here or a little their. They have shown their real colors which are not the crap the the international media show them to be as their colors are red, black, white and green with the emphasis on the red as this is all they want Israel to be when they kill every single Jew and only then will they be somewhat satisfied.

 

[Rion]

The secular world says bomb, bomb, bomb. Many would claim that Islam says the same- but I suspect it is probably a few radicals who are only using religion as an excuse that are creating most of the problems.

Go read the Koran, and you'll get your answer.

 

[Servant222]

Here's another video of a Palestinian woman being humiliated by Israeli soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XEkJY62VA


Imagine, a doctor in an Israeli hospital treats her for a life-threatening condition and her way of saying "thank you" is to agree to walk into the same hospital with a bomb strapped to her body and try and kill as many people as possible in a haven of mercy.

No cause justifies such barbarism.

 

[Micah68]

Here's another video of a Palestinian woman humilated by Israel soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XEkJY62VA


Imagine, a doctor in an Israeli hospital treats her for a life-threatening condition and her way of saying "thank you" is to agree to walk into the same hospital with a bomb strapped to her body and try and kill as many people as possible in a haven of mercy.

No cause justifies such barbarism.

You are still looking to justify the inhumane and barbaric way the Israelis' treat the Palestinians, and which has gone on far, far longer than suicide bombing (the first being in the late 80's); which again, I will tell you is NOT supported by the majority. The suicide bomber is not the root cause of the problem.

This lecture given at Rice University on Palestinian Christians

http://webcast.rice.edu/index.php?action=details&event=715

 

[Rion]

You are still looking to justify the inhumane and barbaric way the Israelis' treat the Palestinians, and which has gone on far, far longer than suicide bombing (the first being in the late 80's); which again, I will tell you is NOT supported by the majority. The suicide bomber is not the root cause of the problem.

Wrong, he's saying that the Palestinians are not the innocents you want to paint them as. And yes, the majority DOES support these things, why? Because their leaders keep them poor and disenfranchised, blaming EVERYTHING on the Jews. The hopelessness of their situation, along with the fact that becoming a martyr is the ONLY way to guarantee your salvation in Islam, is the root causes of Suicide Bombers.

 

[Tanakh]

You are still looking to justify the inhumane and barbaric way the Israelis' treat the Palestinians, and which has gone on far, far longer than suicide bombing (the first being in the late 80's); which again, I will tell you is NOT supported by the majority. The suicide bomber is not the root cause of the problem.

This lecture given at Rice University on Palestinian Christians

http://webcast.rice.edu/index.php?action=details&event=715

The suicide bomber is NOT a justification to any "bullying" that may be done. This act goes way beyond any sane response so yes it is a cause of the problem.

 

[Micah68]

The suicide bomber is NOT a justification to any "bullying" that may be done. This act goes way beyond any sane response so yes it is a cause of the problem.

TRADITIONAL JEWS QUESTION EVANGELICAL SUPPORT OF “ISRAEL”
Brooklyn, NY, August 23, 2007.

Recent claims by Evangelical Christians that the State of Israel is the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy and the upcoming series on Christian Zionists airing on CNN beginning this week has caused great alarm among many in the traditional Jewish community.
Torah-true Jews feel that these Christians' sympathy is misplaced. They are putting their resources into strengthening Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which in reality is a battlefield where many Jews have lost their lives. Traditional Jews believe in the Talmudic teaching that one should not "put all the eggs in one box." G-d did the Jewish people a kindness when He scattered them around the world; bringing all Jews to one place only endangers them and is no blessing.
We are commanded by the prophet Jeremiah (29:7), "Seek the peace of the city where I have exiled you, and pray to G-d on its behalf, for with its peace you will have peace." The Jewish people can be redeemed from exile only by Divine redemption; only then can there be world peace.
The often-quoted verse, "And I will bless those who bless you" (Genesis 12:3), means that all people in the world should bless and befriend the Jews if they want to earn G-d's favor. Historically, those gentiles who welcomed Jews into their country and allowed them freedom to practice the Torah and full rights were considered friends of the Jews. Anti-Semites were those who expelled Jews from their country and wanted them elsewhere. "Gentiles who wish to merit G-d's blessing are encouraged to continue being good neighbors to the Jews in their home countries, not send them off to the State of Israel," said Rabbi Hersh Lowenthal of True Torah Jews.
Additional information concerning the position of the Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews may be found at www.truetorahjews.org
ABOUT TRUE TORAH JEWS
True Torah Jews is dedicated to informing the world and in particular the American public and politicians that all Jews do not support the ideology of the Zionist state called "Israel" which is diametrically opposite to the teachings of traditional Judaism. We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the Zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide.

 

[Carey]

You are still looking to justify the inhumane and barbaric way the Israelis' treat the Palestinians, and which has gone on far, far longer than suicide bombing (the first being in the late 80's); which again, I will tell you is NOT supported by the majority. The suicide bomber is not the root cause of the problem.

This lecture given at Rice University on Palestinian Christians

http://webcast.rice.edu/index.php?action=details&event=715

Poor Palestinians??

 

[thereselittleflower]

Mahmoud Abbas has declared that the "Palestinian" state would only cover all 6,205 kilometers of Judea, Samaria and Gaza and yet just days ago Fatah's official TV station showed a "Palestinian" flag covering all of Israel, clearly meaning the intention of destroy the Jewish state. In the PA official newspaper Al Hayat al Jadida there are many crossword puzzles that include "clues" that say "a palestinian city" and then the answer is Haifa, Ashkelon and Lod all three of which are within the 67 borders so unless they had a typo and messed up in their publication then they have clearly stated their intentions. They say one thing to the media, to the world but then do the complete opposite in their actions. They must be very retarded in thinking that no one will pick up on what they say in their own media in which they clearly show on countless occasions that they want all of Israel not just a little here or a little their. They have shown their real colors which are not the crap the the international media show them to be as their colors are red, black, white and green with the emphasis on the red as this is all they want Israel to be when they kill every single Jew and only then will they be somewhat satisfied.

Nonsense.

The flag denotes a One State solution, where both Jew and Arab lilve together side by side in a democratic society instead of the 2 state solution proposed initially.

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[thereselittleflower]

The suicide bomber is NOT a justification to any "bullying" that may be done. This act goes way beyond any sane response so yes it is a cause of the problem.

We are not saying it is justified . . .

We are saying it is understandable given the circumstances which the Zionists have imposed upon them - intolerable circumstances designed to cause the Paliestinans to loose all hope.

The cause of the problem is those who want the Paliestinians "liquidated" or at least ethnically cleansed from the land. . . . the Zionists of Isrrael and its supporters.

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[thereselittleflower]

Wrong, he's saying that the Palestinians are not the innocents you want to paint them as. And yes, the majority DOES support these things, why? Because their leaders keep them poor and disenfranchised, blaming EVERYTHING on the Jews. The hopelessness of their situation, along with the fact that becoming a martyr is the ONLY way to guarantee your salvation in Islam, is the root causes of Suicide Bombers.

The blame lies squarly upon the shoulders of the Zionist Jews governing Israel.

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[Tanakh]

Nonsense.

The flag denotes a One State solution, where both Jew and Arab lilve together side by side in a democratic society instead of the 2 state solution proposed initially.

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A one state "solution" under their flag, yea right in their dreams. And if that happens believe me they have no intention of creating a democratic state but an Islamic state with the sole intention of destroying Israel.

 

[Tanakh]

The blame lies squarly upon the shoulders of the Zionist Jews governing Israel.

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The blame lies entirely on the shoulders of the Vatican as they are the ones who helped form the world as we now know it and wow look at what it now is. Now that you have finally come out and said that their acts of violence are justified, just like the pope has done, why don't you actually go to "Palestine" and fight against the evil oppressor and liberate "Palestine" as I am sure that they would be eternally grateful?