How to be saved and question

[Guojing]

Only a righteous forgiven man worketh righteousness before God.

That is actually your insertion into that Acts 10 passage. There is nothing in that passage that indicated anything like that.

Under the gospel of the kingdom, salvation is only received at the end of the tribulation (1 Peter 1:9)

 

[SavedByGrace3]

That portion of Paul's letter to the Corinthians specifically addresses the topic of the resurrection. Many mistakenly conclude that the first two verses of 1 Corinthians chapter 15 confirm that an individual need only believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus in order to be saved. The gospel message certainly begins with that information; however, it does not end there.

Of course, we have heard this argument before, but it does not make sense to me. So, by this logic, a believer who does not believe the three things listed will not be resurrected? To secure this "saved" state, one only needs to "remember" the three facts. So, the truth that saves your soul differs from the truth that gets you resurrected? Is it possible to be saved but not resurrected, or resurrected but not saved, depending on what you believe? Not even believe, but merely "remember" it?
If you are a believer in Jesus for the salvation of your soul, and you fail to keep these specific three facts in "remembrance," are you still saved? If it means so little to you that you will actually "forget" about it, would anyone suggest they were ever saved to start with?
I ask someone if they believe Jesus died for their sins, and they say, "I do not remember," are they saved? Or maybe they "forgot" that Jesus was buried or that He rose from the dead? Would the ramifications merely be that they lost their resurrection? It is reminiscent of the Hebrews Paul wrote:

Hebrews 2:1-3 KJV
1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

It just sounds odd that we would say, "Your eternal salvation is secured by believing and/or doing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... but you only need to remember 1, 2, and 3 to be resurrected. Could you be saved without 1, 2, and 3? No. So, the logic that suggested these verses only apply to the resurrection does not appear to work.

 

[David Lamb]

Do you also preach that the sinners He died to save that He successfully saved them by His death ?

Certainly. That is clear from Isaiah's prophecy that He would see the travail of His soul and be satisfied.

 

[Brightfame52]

That is actually your insertion into that Acts 10 passage. There is nothing in that passage that indicated anything like that.

Under the gospel of the kingdom, salvation is only received at the end of the tribulation (1 Peter 1:9)

Peter implied that Cornelius was a righteous man because he worked righteousness with the fear of the Lord Acts 10:34-35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

John writes such a person is righteous[saved] as even Christ is righteous 1 Jn 3:7

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

 

[Brightfame52]

Certainly. That is clear from Isaiah's prophecy that He would see the travail of His soul and be satisfied.

Okay that Ican agree with.

 

[Wansvic]

You cannot preach Acts 2:36 to any unbeliever today.

Only the nation of Israel did the horrific act of crucifying their promised Messiah (Matthew 27:25, Acts 3:13-17).

You can only preach Romans 4:24-25 and 1 Cor 15:1-4 to them.

Scripture reveals Jews were not the only ones responsible for the death of Jesus:
"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27-28

Note points relating to the scripture:
Acts 4:27
Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great (Mt 2:1-22, Lk 1:5). Ruler of the Galil. See also Mt 14:1-12&NN, Mk 6:14-29, 8:15; Lk 3:1, 19-20; 8:3, 9:7-9, 23:7-15; Ac 13:1.

Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea (Mt 27:2 N), is singled out, along with Herod, as having unique responsibility in bringing about Yeshua's death (see Mt 27:16-24 N).

Goyim,(Gentiles) “nations, pagans, non-Jews”; see 5:47. In the Hebrew of Psalm 2:1 (vv. 25-26) the word rendered “nations” is “Goyim.”

The peoples of Israel. Usually the singular, “people,” is used; here the plural along with “Goyim” implicates all humanity as having been assembled against...Yeshua.
(Jewish New Testament Commentary)

 

[Doug Brents]

This is simple to understand.​

To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and become a born again child of God. You do not need to say a sinners prayer, repent of sins, feel sorry for your sins, confess Jesus, be baptized, obey the 10 commandments, be a member of a church, etc....

The Bible states to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is by belief/faith in Jesus (the person Jesus). That Jesus is the promised Messiah, only begotten Son of God and He, Jesus is the resurrection and the life and Eternal Life is received by belief in Jesus.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”


Do you want to conquer and defeat death . Well that is impossible to do on your own, to conquer and defeat death. You must believe in the only person who has conquered and defeated death, who is Jesus. The promised Son of God / The Messiah, the resurrection and the life, with belief in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation, you may also conquer and defeat death.

Sorry D, but in what you are saying here, you cause many passages of Scripture to become lies.
Rom 10:9-10 is clear that the physical action of confession Jesus as Lord is required before you are saved because it "results in"/"leads to" our receiving salvation.
Acts 3:19 is also clear that the action of repentance is required before you are forgiven of sins, because repentance "results in"/"leads to" our receiving salvation.
Acts 2:38 also says that both repentance and baptism in water are required to receive salvation, because both of them are to be done in order to receive salvation.
Mark 16:16 makes it clear that baptism results in salvation, and Matt 28:19 makes it clear that the baptism Mark is talking about is an action done by man (the teacher) not by God (so the baptism in view here is NOT "Spirit baptism".
1 Pet 3:21 also makes it clear that it is water baptism that is in view when talking about the baptism that saves us.
Acts 22:16 indicates that our sins are removed during water baptism.
Rom 6:1-7 and Col 2:11-14 both show that it is the Holy Spirit taking action to remove our sins and unite us with Jesus' death and resurrection during baptism (in water).
John 3:5 states that we must be born again through both water and the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God (be saved).
Gal 3:26-27 shows that it is in the washing of water by the Word (both water and the Spirit) that we are made pure, holy, and without blemish before God.
Eph 5:26-27 shows that it is in baptism that we are clothed with Christ and made children of God.
James 2:24 states that it is through both actions and faith/belief that we are made righteous before God, and not by faith/belief alone. Our actions complete our faith/belief, and without our actions our faith/belief is dead, worthless, meaningless, and pointless. It is only those who obey God who receive His forgiveness and salvation (Heb 5:9).

 

[Wansvic]

Cornelius was saved, Peter was sent to give him assurance and the good news of his salvation, as well as to introduce him to the christian life. Ive given you enough scripture evidence that he was saved, but im afraid you are mislead to believe a lie

It is so crucial to understand the account. Please review it again. It states clearly that the angel told Cornelius to send for Peter who would tell him how to be saved.

After being told an angel had Cornelius send for him, Peter understood the salvation message was not only for Jews, but for Gentiles as well. That God is no respecter of persons means anyone who is willing to believe and obey Him will be accepted. (Acts 10:33-35) After sharing that fact, Peter goes on to share the salvation message. Cornelius and his household experience the reality of the NT rebirth when they are filled with the Holy Spirit and submit to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of their sin. (Acts 10:43-48)



Acts 11:13-14
And the Spirit bade me (Peter) go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

 

[Wansvic]

Of course, we have heard this argument before, but it does not make sense to me. So, by this logic, a believer who does not believe the three things listed will not be resurrected? To secure this "saved" state, one only needs to "remember" the three facts. So, the truth that saves your soul differs from the truth that gets you resurrected? Is it possible to be saved but not resurrected, or resurrected but not saved, depending on what you believe? Not even believe, but merely "remember" it?
If you are a believer in Jesus for the salvation of your soul, and you fail to keep these specific three facts in "remembrance," are you still saved? If it means so little to you that you will actually "forget" about it, would anyone suggest they were ever saved to start with?
I ask someone if they believe Jesus died for their sins, and they say, "I do not remember," are they saved? Or maybe they "forgot" that Jesus was buried or that He rose from the dead? Would the ramifications merely be that they lost their resurrection? It is reminiscent of the Hebrews Paul wrote:

Hebrews 2:1-3 KJV
1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

It just sounds odd that we would say, "Your eternal salvation is secured by believing and/or doing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... but you only need to remember 1, 2, and 3 to be resurrected. Could you be saved without 1, 2, and 3? No. So, the logic that suggested these verses only apply to the resurrection does not appear to work.

The 15th chapter of Paul's letter specifically addresses the resurrection. Those who use it to dispute that water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are not part of the gospel message do so in error. Those who believe and obey God's established plan do so as an act of faith that Jesus Christ did rise, and do so in accordance with that fact.

"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."

 

[BukiRob]

Even if you believe that to be true, my points on John 20:31 remains unaddressed.

John 20:31 is not about believing the death burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Why are you INTENTIONALLY being OBSTANT??? If you are unclear about the death and resurrection of Christ nearly 21 chapters in and the last of the 4 synoptic gospels then you are acting as a dishonest broker and are hear to nothing but sow dissention

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The 15th chapter of Paul's letter specifically addresses the resurrection. Those who use it to dispute that water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are not part of the gospel message do so in error. Those who believe and obey God's established plan do so as an act of faith that Jesus Christ did rise, and do so in accordance with that fact.

"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."

I was baptised in water as a baby 70 years ago and again by immersion 50 years ago as an adult. I received the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues and prophesying 53 years ago. Thanks!

 

[Guojing]

Scripture reveals Jews were not the only ones responsible for the death of Jesus:
"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27-28

Note points relating to the scripture:
Acts 4:27
Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great (Mt 2:1-22, Lk 1:5). Ruler of the Galil. See also Mt 14:1-12&NN, Mk 6:14-29, 8:15; Lk 3:1, 19-20; 8:3, 9:7-9, 23:7-15; Ac 13:1.

Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea (Mt 27:2 N), is singled out, along with Herod, as having unique responsibility in bringing about Yeshua's death (see Mt 27:16-24 N).

Goyim,(Gentiles) “nations, pagans, non-Jews”; see 5:47. In the Hebrew of Psalm 2:1 (vv. 25-26) the word rendered “nations” is “Goyim.”

The peoples of Israel. Usually the singular, “people,” is used; here the plural along with “Goyim” implicates all humanity as having been assembled against...Yeshua.
(Jewish New Testament Commentary)

My point is that no one who is alive today can commit the sin committed by National Israel in Matthew 27:25, Acts 3:13-17

Are you disagreeing with that?

 

[Guojing]

Peter implied that Cornelius was a righteous man because he worked righteousness with the fear of the Lord Acts 10:34-35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Where did he implied, in that passage, "Cornelius was a righteous man"?

You can worketh righteousness yes, and get accepted, but as I have said in 1 Peter 1:9, which you did not address, salvation under the gospel of the kingdom is only received at the end of tribulation (1 Peter 1:1-9, Matthew 24:13).

 

[Brightfame52]

It is so crucial to understand the account. Please review it again. It states clearly that the angel told Cornelius to send for Peter who would tell him how to be saved.

After being told an angel had Cornelius send for him, Peter understood the salvation message was not only for Jews, but for Gentiles as well. That God is no respecter of persons means anyone who is willing to believe and obey Him will be accepted. (Acts 10:33-35) After sharing that fact, Peter goes on to share the salvation message. Cornelius and his household experience the reality of the NT rebirth when they are filled with the Holy Spirit and submit to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of their sin. (Acts 10:43-48)



Acts 11:13-14
And the Spirit bade me (Peter) go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Cornelius was saved, Peter was sent to give him assurance and the good news of his salvation, as well as to introduce him to the christian life. Ive given you enough scripture evidence that he was saved. God accepted Cornelius prayers and alms, evidencing he was saved Acts 10:1-4

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

Gods ears are open to the prayers of the righteous only 1 Pet 3:12


For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

That word righteous is the same word for just in describing Cornelius Acts 10:22

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

Cornelius was saved and under the mercy of the Lord from everlasting Ps 103:17

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

So how can you deny that Cornelius was saved way before he met Peter, heard the gospel and was water baptized.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Guojing

Where did he implied, in that passage, "Cornelius was a righteous man"?

Peter was told that Cornelius was a righteous man that feared God Acts 10:22

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just/righteous man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

The word just and righteous are the same greek word dikaios:

The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”NIV

They said, “Cornelius, a centurion, a righteous and God-fearing man well spoken of by the entire nation of the Jews, was divinely directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and hear [fn]a message from you.”NASB20

They who fear God are covered with His Mercy forever Ps 103:17

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

 

[Wansvic]

@Guojing



Peter was told that Cornelius was a righteous man that feared God Acts 10:22

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just/righteous man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

The word just and righteous are the same greek word dikaios:

The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”NIV

They said, “Cornelius, a centurion, a righteous and God-fearing man well spoken of by the entire nation of the Jews, was divinely directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and hear [fn]a message from you.”NASB20

They who fear God are covered with His Mercy forever Ps 103:17

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

What you've posted doesn't change what is revealed in Acts 11:14. Cornelius sent for Peter to tell him how to be saved.

Remember Jesus told John the Baptist water baptism was to be done to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt. 3:15) He also said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16) And, except a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot SEE or ENTER into the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit, and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus at Peter's command. (Acts 10:43-48)

 

[Wansvic]

My point is that no one who is alive today can commit the sin committed by National Israel in Matthew 27:25, Acts 3:13-17

Are you disagreeing with that?

The point of this discussion was to address the inaccurate position that obedience to water baptism was only required of those of the Jewish nation responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. (your post 65) Scripture reveals Jews were not solely responsible for what took place. (Acts 4:27-28) And the scripture you referenced (Matthew 27:25) records the words spoken that brought a curse upon they and their offspring.

Furthermore, the word of God itself confirms everyone regardless of nationality must obey the command and be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Jesus prophesied concerning this in Luke 24:47.

 

[Brightfame52]

What you've posted doesn't change what is revealed in Acts 11:14. Cornelius sent for Peter to tell him how to be saved.

Remember Jesus told John the Baptist water baptism was to be done to fulfill all righteousness. (Matt. 3:15) He also said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16) And, except a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot SEE or ENTER into the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit, and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus at Peter's command. (Acts 10:43-48)

Im going to let it go, its obvious God has hid this truth from you.

 

[Danthemailman]

You’re saved by trusting in Jesus and His gospel, His death, burial, and resurrection. It’s not just knowing the facts but truly trusting that He saves you.

Yes. It's one thing to merely believe "mental assent" that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" and it's another thing to believe in/trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Even the demons believe the former but not the latter. That's the difference between simply believing in our head and believing in our heart. (Romans 10:9,10)

 

[Doug Brents]

You’re saved by trusting in Jesus and His gospel, His death, burial, and resurrection. It’s not just knowing the facts but truly trusting that He saves you.

Yes. It's one thing to merely believe "mental assent" that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" and it's another thing to believe in/trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Even the demons believe the former but not the latter. That's the difference between simply believing in our head and believing in our heart. (Romans 10:9,10)

Dan, if there is no action then "trust/faith" does not really exist. As James says, faith without action/works is dead. And dead faith cannot bring life. Rom 10:9-10 is very clear that without the physical action of confessing Jesus as Lord salvation does not happen. And that is just one example of the actions man must take that result in salvation being received.