How old is the world?

[Praxiteles]

The text says the Scripture is "breathed out by God." Perhaps now you can go look it up and see that this is the case. Theologians still use the term Inspiration to refer to the Scriptures as being breathed out by God. In anycase, whichever term makes you feel groovy, the Book is infallible and it is from God. I am not sure what you are looking at but the term is theopneustos.

What is the problem here?

In no sense does inspired mean "breathed out". Whether theologians use it to mean that or not is irrelevant. if they do so then they are wrong.

Perhaps you are wrong.

In either case, please do not use inspired to mean breathed out.

 

[f U z ! o N]

what about what i said about meteroites being falling stars and planets being stars when we clearly know they are not. if you claim to take the bible literally then therfore they are stars.

 

[Split Rock]

Thank you. The wisdom of this children of this age is sometime better than that of compromising Christians who reject the historicity of Genesis. It is not sound biblical interpretation in the first place and in the second place it is still lunacy to the unbeliever.

Absolutely Correct!!!

The Bible is, of course Inerrant! If it wasn't always correct in every detail, then it wouldn't be inerrant, and that's impossible because it is the Word of God!

 

[JesusQuest]

If you use the geneologies of the bible you should get about 6000 years. But who knows how much time Adam and Eve spent in the garden of Eden? Some people also use some of the dead sea scrolls and say that earth is about 10,000 years old after Adam and Eve left Eden.

 

[L'Anatra]

If you use the geneologies of the bible you should get about 6000 years. But who knows how much time Adam and Eve spent in the garden of Eden? Some people also use some of the dead sea scrolls and say that earth is about 10,000 years old after Adam and Eve left Eden.

Indeed.

So getting to the intended "plain sense" isn't so easy, after all, is it Floodnut?

 

[f U z ! o N]

where did floodnut go LOL

 

[Nathan Poe]

The text says the Scripture is "breathed out by God." Perhaps now you can go look it up and see that this is the case. Theologians still use the term Inspiration to refer to the Scriptures as being breathed out by God. In anycase, whichever term makes you feel groovy, the Book is infallible and it is from God. I am not sure what you are looking at but the term is theopneustos.

Well, for staters, you might want to brush up on your vocabulary...
"Inspired" doesn't mean "beathe out," but "breathe in." The prefix IN- is sort of a givaway on that one.

Breathed in to fallible humans by God, who then took on the incredibly daunting task of transferring Divine Revelation into fallible limited human language.

The product of anything handled by the fallible is hardly infallible.

 

[f U z ! o N]

now the origional bible may have been error free but through all this translating who knows what happened.

 

[nvxplorer]

I've always marvelled at how Christians know which words to capitalize and which not.

I find it hilarious when a YEC goes on a rant, and begins capitalizing at random.

 

[nvxplorer]

Thank you. The wisdom of this children of this age is sometime better than that of compromising Christians who reject the historicity of Genesis. It is not sound biblical interpretation in the first place and in the second place it is still lunacy to the unbeliever.

Did you not see the sarcasm in that post? It was dripping so badly, I'm still wiping my monitor?

 

[Split Rock]

Did you not see the sarcasm in that post? It was dripping so badly, I'm still wiping my monitor?

I probably shouldn't poke at the poor YEC like that, but I just couldn't help myself... my bad!

 

[f U z ! o N]

did floodnut get flooded out?

 

[heyo]

AS OLD AS I WANT IT TO BE COZ IT IN MY HEAD
http://www.realrnb.com/forum/index.php

 

[A Freethinker]

I keep bringing it up because Floodnut is not just talking to freethinker but to everyone who might read these posts. Freethinker does not believe in the Bible and feels that it is bunk. The Bible is still true regardless of the faulty judgment of the poor guy.

Nah, you are just threatened by other religions, which is clear by your constant use of my status as a non-christian in this debate.

The Bible is false, and I don't think a 51-year-old man still working in a supermarket is fit to criticize my judgement.

 

[corvus_corax]

I don't think a 51-year-old man still working in a supermarket is fit to criticize my judgement.

Why not?
I mean what is it about a 51 year old man that makes him unfit to criticize your judgement?
Or what is it about a Seafood Department manager that makes him unfit to criticize your argument?
What if he was a 35 year old stay at home dad?
Would his age or occupation (or lack thereof) make him more fit (or less) to criticize then?


(Not that I actually agree with anything floodnut has said so far)

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Bad news. All the dating methods say various ages for the same object.

Bad news. You're wrong: http://gondwanaresearch.com/radiomet.htm

This consistency should be impossible if these methods were as flawed as you claim them to be.

For instance, a lava flow less than 200 years old was dated by the Potassium-Argon method to be 250-300 million years old.

200 ya is outside the range of K-Ar dating because sample preparation introduces atmospheric Ar into a sample thus creating what is a very large error interval for a young sample, it is a small error for an older sample.

Furthermore, you are lying by omission because you are not including key information. These samples were sent to a lab that specifically said that they could not date samples less than 2 Ma and these were whole rock samples containing xenoliths of older material that also provided a source of contamination. You are also ignoring the fact that many of the measurments had error bars at or near 0 Ma, which is expected.

Carbon dating would probably say 16,400 years old.

You are showing your further ignorance of the basics of these dating methods because you should already know that you cannot radiocarbon date a basalt.

Btw, the whole system of radiometric dating is wrong.

Then why do scientists use it? And why is it demonstrably correct so often? These are examples that should not exist if what you said was actually true:

1. The Hawaiian Island chain can be predictively dated by plate tectonics and those ages match with remarkable accuracy the dates acquired by K-Ar dating: http://www.christianforums.com/t50891

2. The different methods involving different rates and modes of decay agree with each other: http://gondwanaresearch.com/radiomet.htm

This should be impossible to achieve if what you claimed was true.

They don't use it at all except to establish the "absolute" age of the fossils. However, to establish the relative ages, the evolutionists use the fossil, which is dependent on the ASSUMPTION that Evolutionism is true. When the "absolute" age of the fossil disagrees with the preconceived age, the "known" date, by the nonexistant Geologic Column, wins.

This is false, as has been explained to you before. Continuing to make this claim indicates that you either don't read others' posts or you deliberately write false statements to support creationism. Both tactics are deplorable.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Actually, Carbon dating said a live snail was 2,300 years old!

If you knew anything about radiocarbon dating, which you obviously don't, you would know that (1) you cannot date a living organism and (2) you cannot date marine organisms because they derive their carbon from older reservoirs. They make their shells out of dissolved carbon chemically weathered from older rocks, so obviously it won't work.

Btw, some people have proposed (they hope) that our Magnetic field repolarizes. Unfortunately, we can't use the ocean rocks to justify this because they operate on an independant source different from our magnetic field.

And again you don't have the slightest clue about what you're talking about. That the magnetic field changes polarity is a fact evidenced by the oceanic crust. The ferrous, magnetic minerals in mafic, oceanic crustal rocks align with the magnetic field direction. We have shown that there are periodic reversals with time.

Also, the electrical field in Earth's core and mantel control the magnetic field.

The earth's outer core is molten and composed of Fe-Ni mostly, and that is the only source of the earth's dipole magnetic field. You are getting your basic facts wrong.

20,000 years is the upper limit for this charge, because 20,000 years is how long it would take to melt the Earth.

Unsubstantiated nonsense. The dipole field is decreasing in magnitude, and this is typical prior to reversal. The nondipole magnetic field is actually increasing presently, so that disproves your claim as well.

The continued propagation of these claims by you will be considered lying in the future.

 

[Floodnut]

what about what i said about meteroites being falling stars and planets being stars when we clearly know they are not. if you claim to take the bible literally then therfore they are stars.

OK, if you want to impose modern new meanings on ancient words, they are stars. The original meaning of the word cocovim is small twinkling object in the night sky. Some were differentiated as "wandering stars" and these are the planets, asteroids, and comets.

 

[Floodnut]

What is the problem here?

In no sense does inspired mean "breathed out". Whether theologians use it to mean that or not is irrelevant. if they do so then they are wrong.

Perhaps you are wrong.

In either case, please do not use inspired to mean breathed out.

I have no idea what tempest is going on in your teapot, but the text of II Timonthy 3:16 says the Scirptures are breathed out by God. What is the problem here?

 

[Floodnut]

If you use the geneologies of the bible you should get about 6000 years. But who knows how much time Adam and Eve spent in the garden of Eden? Some people also use some of the dead sea scrolls and say that earth is about 10,000 years old after Adam and Eve left Eden.

10,000 or 6000 is still a far cry from 4.7 billion. The Inspired, or God-breathed text leaves us at 6000 years.