How old is the world?

[A Freethinker]

Prove it has flaws.

Let me throw out a few things and see if they ring any bells...

Rabbits chew their cud (Nope)
Bats are birds (Don't lay eggs, are mammals)
Mustard is the smallest seed (Nope)

These are the LEAST damning of evidence of errancy in the bible.
...and for my references:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ine_none1.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ine_none2.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ine_none3.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cosmo_bibl2.htm

and a very good discussion on another forum:

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3945&page=1

good points made.

 

[f U z ! o N]

But Jesus did write the Bible, don't you know ANYTHING?

floodnut you do reject any scientific evidence and this quote right here has told me exactly how arrogant you really are. stop the arrogance, you are not making many friends.

 

[Nathan Poe]

But Jesus did write the Bible, don't you know ANYTHING?

It is now 10:15 local time. I shall be laughing until about 11:45.

 

[f U z ! o N]

Jesus didn't write the Bible MAN WROTE THE BIBLE

 

[A Freethinker]

But Jesus did write the Bible, don't you know ANYTHING?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Which is why the Bible has cultural bias (permission for slavery), I'm sure Jesus wants you to own slaves, I think I'll go buy me some right now!

You're one idiotic post away from my ignore list, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Praxiteles]

I forget whether Prax is actually a Bible beleiver or not, but he is certainly apt in quoting appropriate passages out of Webster. Problem is however that we are talking about the meaning of a Koine Greek word. The main meaning of Expire is die, breathe ones last and this is not at all the sense of the Greek word in II Timothy 3:16. Perhaps Prax would be so kind as to go to Thayers or Bauer Arndt and Gingrech and tell us the meaning given by a Koine Greek Dictionary.

The Scriptures were Breathed out by God, and Holy men of old spoke and wrote as they were moved upon by the Holy Spirit.

The whole point of that post was to tell you that in English (in terms of breathing) inspire means to breathe in.

In no way can inspire mean to breathe out. Notice the prefix "in"? Inspire = breath in, expire = breathe out. (Inhale & exhale, in other words. The prefixes are identical).

Perhaps now you can stop claiming that God's inspired word is identical in meaning to God's breathed out word.

 

[Floodnut]

you do not know me, and this is a flat out lie.
i publish my reading list for all to interact with at:
http://www.dakotacom.net/~rmwillia/booklist.html

i in fact have read all the most important YECist books starting with the Genesis Flood back in the late 1970's. and continue to read the literature.

your remark is unbecoming a Christian, i expect more from a believer than shallow ad hominems.

Cool, so you read the Bible and the YEC literature and you still don't believe it. Well I guess that settles it. NO need to discuss it with you anymore. And here is a good friend who tells me what to believe and then tells me that one of my remarks, I am not sure which one, is "unbecoming a Christian" and this wonderful Christian friend also accuses me of "a flat out lie." And I am a poor seller of fish and I don't know what ad hominems is. I like hominy and grits though.

The reading list is there. Ok. I kind of like the stuff at AiG. But best of all is the simple reading of Genesis as literal history.

 

[Floodnut]

It never says that.

Asimov has said that the Bible never says that death began with sin. Of course death of animate soulish life began with the Fall, as is stated repeatedly in scripture. It certainly does clearly teach that in the simple plain understanding of the historical document of Genesis and the theological explanations given by Paul.

 

[Floodnut]

So the Genealogies being 6,000 years is substitute for the accumulation of 150 years of scientific evidence?

The genealogies are part of the inspired infallible word of God. They are correct. The twisting and misrepresentation of Scientific evidence that comes up with millions of years that is what is Wrong. Jesus is Right. Leaky is wrong.

 

[Floodnut]

i'm sorry but i've had enough of this unChristian behavior.
you are not here to learn and to share but to preach.
even if your message was consistent with the Gospel your behavior online is not.

Add Floodnut to your Ignore List
submit

that is only the second time in 5 years online that i have done this to a Christian, but your postings are not worth reading let alone responding to.


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L'an calls me a liar and the wise deep Christian Scholar wants the Christian to just lie down and take it in silence. No thanks.

 

[Praxiteles]

Floodnut,

Serious question: based on the fact that you claim that the plainest reading of scripture is the correct one, and that scripture is the inerrant, infallible word of God, do you believe that bats are a type of bird?

 

[Floodnut]

You are right! It is shear Lunacy to interpret a story about a Man made from dirt, a Woman Made from a Rib, a Talking Snake and a Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil as "Allegory!" As if it even comes close to sounding like an allegory!

Thank you. The wisdom of this children of this age is sometime better than that of compromising Christians who reject the historicity of Genesis. It is not sound biblical interpretation in the first place and in the second place it is still lunacy to the unbeliever.

 

[Floodnut]

You are right! It is shear Lunacy to interpret a story about a Man made from dirt, a Woman Made from a Rib, a Talking Snake and a Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil as "Allegory!" As if it even comes close to sounding like an allegory!

Thank You. The wisdom of the Children of the Age is sometimes wiser than the wisdom of the Children of God. They can see the lunacy of trying to make Genesis fit the secular view of origins. It is not sound theology in the first place and in the second place it is still unacceptable to unbelieving secularists.

 

[Floodnut]

I'm tired of your delusion, although I'm glad it comforts you. There is no way anyone can know anything without evidence to be 100% true. Anyone I've ever met to claim so, in my opinion, needed to have themselves examined.

It doesn't matter how much I seek Jesus, I will never place myself above Him and claim I know His true nature as you claim to. What you are doing is idolizing the Bible, and I flatly refuse to accept that as a reasonable course of action. To me, it is unquestionably heretical.

It is the Bible that tells us about Jesus. How can you worship Jesus without knowing him based on Scripture? Believing the Scripture is what Christians do. Call it idolatry if you will but it is the Scriptures that tell us about Jesus.

Of course you do put yourself above Jesus when you reject the plain sense in which He took Genesis and how he treated Adam and Eve as literal persons. What you are doing is idolizing "science" and your own fallible and finite mind. Repent of your idolatries and believe the Scripture.

 

[Floodnut]

I'm an ex-catholic. I know the Bible well. So well, infact, that I saw the flaws in it and realized that it was foolishness. Even if the bible did say "As of the year 2005 AD, the Earth is 6000 years old", I still wouldn't care, because it's not part of my religion. Why do you keep bringing up the fact that I don't believe in the Bible? You sound defensive saying things like that; like you are completely confused by it.

I keep bringing it up because Floodnut is not just talking to freethinker but to everyone who might read these posts. Freethinker does not believe in the Bible and feels that it is bunk. The Bible is still true regardless of the faulty judgment of the poor guy.

 

[f U z ! o N]

so all science is evil since every branch goes against what the bible says?
thats it, im moving into a cave. im done with society! weeeee!

 

[Floodnut]

Jesus Christ, for the last time, is the only Word of God. To declare otherwise shows you know a lot less of the Bible than you claim. How can you be so sure what Genesis was intended as?


I do not admit that they were intended as history. I don't claim to know what they were intended as--I didn't write them.


No, it was not necessarily written as history. I do not reject Genesis. I do, however, reject your interpretation of it. It is really that simple. Stop reading into my words. It is disingenuous. It is unimportant to me whether you can accept that or not.


Too bad God's Creation doesn't show that at all.

Are you sure this is for the Last time? How do you know anything about Jesus except through the Scriptures? The Scriptures are the infallible Word of God, which also tell us that Jesus is the Word of God made Flesh. As the Word of God made flesh, Jesus shows us how to take Genesis.

How can you follow Jesus as the Word of God and be so uncertain as to how to take Genesis? Of course you didn't Write them. Jesus did through Moses. And Jesus took them as HISTORY. So apparently your belief in Jesus is allegorical also? I'm just trying to figure this out since I am just an ignorant seller of fish. Jesus is the Word of God but he was wrong about Genesis? That is an enigma.

God's Creation shows the Glory of God. The Bible explains how God did it.

 

[f U z ! o N]

the bible was never ever meant to be a science book. they didn't know the things we do now. please stop making it into a science book.
what about the universe flood nut? why did it take one day to make the universe but 5 days to make earth and everything when the universe is far more complex than earth is.

 

[Floodnut]

Floodnut,

Serious question: based on the fact that you claim that the plainest reading of scripture is the correct one, and that scripture is the inerrant, infallible word of God, do you believe that bats are a type of bird?

They are not birds by the modern definiition. But they are animals of flight as in the Hebrew sense that they are winged creatures with lungs. Of course they are not birds in terms of modern taxonomy (sp?) and Planets are not stars either, but in the language of the day the word star means any twinkling heavenly body, just as meteorites are called "falling stars."

 

[f U z ! o N]

do you think new planets could be formed or new stars or new anything in the universe? space is oh so beautiful and interesting. or do you believe God is not creating anymore. just a question