How old is the world?

[Floodnut]

A 51-year-old working in a supermarket isn't likely to be very educated, and not likely to be very intelligent. I don't have much need for the philosophical opinions of my bagboy when I go to the store. If he was a 51-year-old who had retired from a successful career as a college professor, I would be more inclined to care about what he has to say on these matters. The only thing I would value from Floodnut is his opinion on how to best cook my salmon.

EDIT: If he were a 30-something stay at home father, I would want to know more about his background and education. He could be staying at home in his trailer with his 13 kids on welfare or staying in his suburban mansion, having retired early thanks to a booming startup business.


You asked.

You sorta asked:
Wild Sockeye is now in season. Be sure to remove the pin bones by slowly and gently pulling with pliers. Then marinate about 1/2 hour in simple Italian Dressing (SIMPLE MIND YOU, none of the fancy modernistic balsamic stuff).

On a medium high grill, put down a loose layer of whole green onions perpendicular to the grill. Put the salmon on the onions, meat side down, for TWO MINUTES, then turn, on top of the onions, and cook with skin down an additonal 5 or 6 minutes (not 4.7 billion years).

Lift onions and all with spatula and serve.

Good with Caesar Salad.

 

[Floodnut]

News flash: Planets don't twinkle.

News Flash: In our vision, due to atmospheric influences the stars twinkle, including planets.

 

[Floodnut]

What version are you using?

Mine says this:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I use both the Nestle Aland, and Metzger, and the Textus Receptus. All agree.

 

[Floodnut]

So, you are ignoring the old testament? I thought it was part of the bible? And Paul saying to treat slaves like brothers? Which verse is this?

Start a thread elsewhere to talk about slavery.

 

[Floodnut]

yes but he sends him back as a slave,
doesn't tell Onesimus that he is free, nor does he tell Philemon to release him, only to treat him as a brother.

there are no verses condemning slavery in either the OT or the NT for an extraordinary defense of slavery see:
http://tinyurl.com/79b6r

or read my essay on the topic at:
http://dakotacom.net/%7Ermwillia/hap6.html


but it is really off topic, if you really want to discuss the issue start a new thread somewhere and email or pm me the link.
i have about 2 years into reading on the topic.
including several hundred pro-slavery sermons.


btw


it was Quakers, Unitarians and Rationalists that lead the way in the US. however not in England-Wilberforce i believe was methodist, however many methodists didn't leave the Church of England, i'm not sure he did.


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I just finished watching Francis Schaeffer's scathing rebuke of the Chruch in America for being too slow to take the correct stand on this issue (How Should We Then Live film series).

 

[Floodnut]

Really?

Yes Really. Please help me to understand how the length of time Adam was in the Garden has any effect on the age of the Earth.

 

[Floodnut]

Can you prove that the Bible is 6,000 years old? Last I heard, the oldest text found so far was from around the time of Jesus, give or take a hundred years.

Check back over the threads, we are talking about the age of the earth. The oldest complete MSS of any book are from the time of the Dead Sea Scrolls, ~250 BC - 70 AD. There is a silver scroll of the priestly blessing from Numbers that may date from 600 BC.

 

[Floodnut]

That's your conclusion, not "the" conclusion. Many people who have diligently considered the same things have come to a different one.

Sorry, The conclusion for those who take the plain sense of Scripture is that the earth is 6000 years old

 

[Floodnut]

Why is it a folly?

See the post to which I was responding

 

[Floodnut]

I'll check in with you tomorrow. Nice talking to you.

 

[A Freethinker]

Yes I did
I was only wondering due to the fact that the majority of members on these forums probably dont have degrees in fields that they debate. Hence I wonder why anyone would attack another's age or profession, due to the fact that most people's age or profession are not in question.

Myself for example...my knowledge of the matters I debate are largely based on self education, being a high school dropout with no higher education. If anybody insulted my posts based on my age, profession, or lack of formal education, they would be welcomed to my ignore list very quickly (I do, however, find it acceptable when someone points out where I am incorrect, or demonstrates the holes in my knowledge)

If one wants to hear only from those who have specialized knowledge of the subjects at hand, one should only discuss such subjects with members like Aron-Ra and Gmorton (among other worthies)


Sorry for the OT rant, I think Im done now

You make a good point, and I admit that I am generalizing, but you are (like it or not) one of the minority of highschool dropouts who have taken it upon themselves to further educate themselves. That is admirable, but I think my generalization is reasonable.

Others I know aren't so motivated, or intelligent.

 

[A Freethinker]

You sorta asked:
Wild Sockeye is now in season. Be sure to remove the pin bones by slowly and gently pulling with pliers. Then marinate about 1/2 hour in simple Italian Dressing (SIMPLE MIND YOU, none of the fancy modernistic balsamic stuff).

On a medium high grill, put down a loose layer of whole green onions perpendicular to the grill. Put the salmon on the onions, meat side down, for TWO MINUTES, then turn, on top of the onions, and cook with skin down an additonal 5 or 6 minutes (not 4.7 billion years).

Lift onions and all with spatula and serve.

Good with Caesar Salad.

That seriously sounds really, really good... And I want a Caesar NOW.

 

[GodsSamus]

...which is why I can't take Creationists seriously after reading posts from you, as you have proven that lunatics like you dominate the YEC camp.

Creationism is no threat to the Truth.

(By the way: I never said the Truth was threatened, I said you were threatened, and this last post of yours looks like you're rocking yourself in a corner.)

Just to grab a mace. Evolution has some evidence to support it, but not a lot. Lucy is just an ape, the 1% difference between human and ape DNA turns out to be enough to write the entire Harry Potter series TWICE and only a few changes in the DNA would kill the animal trying to evolve, Archaeopteryx appears AFTER the first true bird in your Geologic Column, the horse evolution has many discrepencies, one of which is the fact that the horses appear in America, travel all the way to Europe, then back to America; human and dinosaur footprints appear ALL OVER THE WORLD, and no not just the Paluxy River, which was the main argument I was using. They both appear together in Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, Illinois, Missouri, and Kentucky.

 

[A Freethinker]

Just to grab a mace. Evolution has some evidence to support it, but not a lot. Lucy is just an ape, the 1% difference between human and ape DNA turns out to be enough to write the entire Harry Potter series TWICE and only a few changes in the DNA would kill the animal trying to evolve, Archaeopteryx appears AFTER the first true bird in your Geologic Column, the horse evolution has many discrepencies, one of which is the fact that the horses appear in America, travel all the way to Europe, then back to America; human and dinosaur footprints appear ALL OVER THE WORLD, and no not just the Paluxy River, which was the main argument I was using. They both appear together in Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, Illinois, Missouri, and Kentucky.

Isn't most of that proof of an old Earth? These creatures existed when the landmasses of Earth were much different; supercontinents.

Also, most DNA is "junk DNA" which serves no purpose, and mutations occur in this all the time. It's just filler. So both of your points about DNA are null. Two harry potter series' worth of DNA code is nothing, it only seems like a lot because you don't understand how much data is stored in DNA.

A few mutations would not kill an animal, since it would probably occur in junk DNA. Otherwise, the animal would have some defect or mutation that would either harm or help it. This is Evolution.

 

[notto]

only a few changes in the DNA would kill the animal trying to evolve . .. .human and dinosaur footprints appear ALL OVER THE WORLD . . .They both appear together in Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, Illinois, Missouri, and Kentucky.

You do realize that you have changes in your DNA. Why didn't you die? Remember, populations evolve, not individuals. Your claim about a few changes in the DNA killing an animal is simply false and doesn't really address the types of changes associated with evolution (which you have in your DNA even as you type this - alive).

Do you have references to these dinosaur and human tracks together in these states? I've never seen them. On what do you base your claim that they are found all over the world? Where is this amazing evidence?

 

[dad]

the types of changes associated with evolution (which you have in your DNA even as you type this - alive).

Associated with evolution by the evolutionists, perhaps. Nothing to do with some creatorless evolving, in actuality. Remember this, it is also associated with a creator.

 

[notto]

Associated with evolution by the evolutionists, perhaps.
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Nothing to do with some creatorless evolving, in actuality. Remember this, it is also associated with a creator.
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[GodsSamus]

The reason the changes didn't kill me is not because they're not there, but because it occurs on a genetically low level. I really don't have a problem if my DNA can change letters, because apes have 10% more DNA than humans, which makes them Evolving into us difficult.

www.whyevolution.com

As to where dinosaur and human tracks were together, here is one site.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/new-mexico-problematica-track.htm

 

[dad]

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Thats right, they had it turned around.

 

[GodsSamus]

Isn't most of that proof of an old Earth? These creatures existed when the landmasses of Earth were much different; supercontinents.

Also, most DNA is "junk DNA" which serves no purpose, and mutations occur in this all the time. It's just filler. So both of your points about DNA are null. Two harry potter series' worth of DNA code is nothing, it only seems like a lot because you don't understand how much data is stored in DNA.

A few mutations would not kill an animal, since it would probably occur in junk DNA. Otherwise, the animal would have some defect or mutation that would either harm or help it. This is Evolution.

How do you KNOW the DNA is junk? There are many languages. That doesn't mean that, if someone is speaking Hebrew, that his words are meaningless. Also, I know how much information is in the DNA. A couple Harry Potter series doesn't seem like much, but it is when you consider your DNA a job application to Natural Selection, because it will get rid of DNA that's not favorable. Even one letter change is enough to make your DNA meaningless. For instance, if I write the sentence, "I like looking at butterflies because, in my opinion, they are beautiful," and I change one letter, the I, the whole sentence is meaningless. Who is looking at butterflies because, in his or her opinion, they are beautiful. If we substitute you instead of I, it changes the whole meaning of the sentence. It means it's YOUR opinion that the butterflies are beautiful, and not mine.