How Old Is The Earth

[Diamond72]

wouldn't that make the book of Genesis really really old to say the least.

There is natural history and recorded history. For the most part Genesis is a history of the last 6,000 years. That is what the word generations means in Genesis 2 4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," This means the genealogy of Adam and his descendants for the last 6,000 years.

Chapter one does talk about the creation of the Heaven and Earth (Universe).

 

[BNR32FAN]

For some people everything is a miracle, for some people NOTHING is a miracle. We already knew which one you were. In everything we are to give thanks, praise, honor and glory onto God.

• 1 Chronicles 29:11-13
  Praises God for his greatness, power, glory, majesty, and splendor, and acknowledges that everything in heaven and earth belongs to him
• Romans 11:36
  Acknowledges that everything comes from God and exists by his power, and that all glory belongs to him

Look we’re not discussing people’s opinions about what a miracle is or even the definition of the word. The discussion is about whether or not there were any changes in the laws of physics when Jesus was walking on water. You keep trying to change the subject to examples that are subjective based on people’s opinions but there’s nothing subjective about Jesus actually walking on water.

 

[Diamond72]

You keep trying to change the subject

Because I do not have an answer for your question.

 

[Dan1988]

I do not have a bible name for this but I am inclined to think it is some sort of astor projection. This is simular to our ability for our mind to manifest itself in the physical world. When we do construction work there are things that are impossible to do and yet every building gets built and people do the impossible. Oprah and The law of attraction people talk about this. She thinks it is compatible with Christianity, others do not. She has kind of the midis touch, whatever she touches turns to gold.

Astral projection itself doesn’t violate any laws. It’s generally considered a personal, spiritual, or metaphysical practice. However, it’s important to note that astral projection is not scientifically proven and is often viewed with skepticism by the scientific community.

Peter was not able to walk on water but he was able to get out of prison. Jesus is said to walk through a locked door. At least He manifest himself. After His resurrection, Jesus ate fish to demonstrate to His disciples that He was truly alive and not just a spirit. This event is recorded in the Gospel of Luke.

The disciples do not explain this because they did not understand what was going on.

 

[Dan1988]

Hi Dan 1988
Thank you for your reply that Adam was created in the image of God is not in question

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.that everything is created through Jesus Christ is right,
Jesus is not God he is the son of God he lost his earthly body when he died and was raised up a spiritual being or how could he enter a locked room and appear and disappear at will a man of flesh can't do that.
The last 6000 years God has been using to create man in his Image that man is Jesus Christ at his second coming when he gathers together the multitude of believers which he will present to the Father this is man in the image of God the last Adam.
We must all be changed from physical beings to spiritual beings only spiritual beings can enter the presence of God
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Love and Peace
Dave

1 Cor 15:45 says that the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. Only Jesus, as the Almighty Jehovah God, Creator of all things fits the description of the life-giving Spirit.

Col 1:16-17 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

As you can see, Gods Word confirms that Jesus created all things that exist. So yes Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God, the bible is very clear about this fact. So there can be no doubt it.

Jesus did not lose His earthly body when He died, just like you, Thomas doubted that Jesus retained His earthly body after His resurrection. So Jesus allowed him to put his fingers into His wounds, so yes that proves that He still has the same body.
Lets not forget that Jesus is fully God and fully man at the same time, so walking through locked doors is nothing for Him because He is not subject to the natural laws, which His creation is governed by. He can break every la of physics, because He created the laws Himself and He is their Master.

Believers will never become Spiritual beings, Gods Elect Saints will receive our glorified sinless bodies, and we will inherit the earth and rule over it together with the Lord.
I'm not sure who taught you those doctrines, but they're not true, Gods Word confirms it.

 

[Dan1988]

I’m just gonna come right out and say it, if someone can’t believe in miracles then they can’t believe in the Bible it’s just that simple. A big part of the problem is that people want the Bible to say what they want it to say, instead of letting it say what it says. There’s a huge misconception about the Bible that many people believe and it’s the idea that we’re free to interpret it whichever way suits us and that idea is false because the Bible speaks truth and truth is not subjective to personal or popular opinion. It’s not about what can we make the Bible say it’s about what is the author trying to tell us and so many people get hung up on this idea that science can’t be wrong which causes them to try to change what the Bible says thru interpretation and it just never works because it always results in contradicting what is actually written.

Secular science doesn't accept the fact that the spiritual realm exists, it only accepts the visible physical realm. It doesn't accept the existence of the Supernatural God, because He breaks all of their rules and their scientific method doesn't work on Him.

The secular scientific community, is not open to discuss or debate the big bang theory or the theory of evolution. They say, it's a settled science and there's nothing left to discuss.
My cousin was a professing Christian, until he completed university and became an Atheist. He said there is no evidence to prove that God exists.

As you rightly said, most people approach the bible with the intent to make it say what they think it should say. so they're forcing Gods Word to conform to their views, instead of allowing Gods Word to teach and instruct them. There are many harsh doctrines in the bible, which we naturally don't like, but that doesn't give us the right to twist the meaning of them to make them say something nice and acceptable to the natural man.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because I do not have an answer for your question.

Fair enough, but I think the answer should be obvious if you believe the Bible.

 

[Diamond72]

Fair enough, but I think the answer should be obvious if you believe the Bible.

The Bible does not have limits, Science does. God always has answers and solutions.

 

[trophy33]

You say the earth is billions of years old so any search engine is not going to give a true answer, if the earth is billions of years old like you say it is, wouldn't that make the book of Genesis really really old to say the least.

No. The age of the Earth has nothing to do with the age of the book of Genesis.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Bible does not have limits, Science does. God always has answers and solutions.

We’re talking about simple logical observation. Either you believe that Jesus walked on water which obviously indicates an abnormality in the laws of physics or you don’t believe He walked on water. What you’re doing is avoiding the question because you know that the answer is obvious and it proves that the laws of science are not always constrained when God is performing certain actions.

 

[trophy33]

We’re talking about simple logical observation. Either you believe that Jesus walked on water which obviously indicates an abnormality in the laws of physics or you don’t believe He walked on water. What you’re doing is avoiding the question because you know that the answer is obvious and it proves that the laws of science are not always constrained when God is performing certain actions.

Just a note - except of basic/salvic events from Jesus' life (his birth, death, resurrection...), no other detail we read in Gospels is a Christian dogma.

Which means that we can be fully comfortably Christians without believing Jesus walked on water.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Just a note - except of basic/salvic events from Jesus' life (his birth, death, resurrection...), no other detail we read in Gospels is a Christian dogma.

Which means that we can be fully comfortably Christians without believing Jesus walked on water.

But you can’t be a Bible believing Christian without believing He walked on water.

 

[trophy33]

But you can’t be a Bible believing Christian without believing He walked on water.

"A Bible believing Christian" is a bit vague and artificial term. No two Christians believe the same, reading the same Bible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"A Bible believing Christian" is a bit vague and artificial term. No two Christians believe the same, reading the same Bible.

Doesn’t change the fact that there is only one truth and it is not subjective to personal or popular opinion.

 

[trophy33]

Doesn’t change the fact that there is only one truth and it is not subjective to personal or popular opinion.

Well, this is even more vague, though. There are some objective truths, like that a triangle has 3 sides. But there are also subjective truths, like moral meanings of figurative narratives or different applications in different life contexts and situations.

 

[Diamond72]

Either you believe that Jesus walked on water which obviously indicates an abnormality in the laws of physics or you don’t believe He walked on water.

Combining evidence of a cold snap 2,000 years ago with sophisticated mapping of the Sea of Galilee, Israeli and U.S. scientists have come up with a scientific explanation of how Jesus could have walked on water. Their answer: It was actually floating ice.

Jesus was walking on thin ice, claim scientists

Jesus may have appeared to be walking on water when he was actually floating on a thin layer of ice, formed by a rare combination of weather and water conditions on the Sea of Galilee, according to a team of US and Israeli scientists.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Diamond72]

As you rightly said, most people approach the bible with the intent to make it say what they think it should say.

This is why we show that the Bible interpretation came before Science. This is clearly the case with the big bang theory. This was a religious belief that Science was able to verify. Another example: heliocentrism began with Copernicus.

Nicolaus Copernicus was a Christian. He was actually a canon in the Catholic Church, which is a church administrative role12. Although he was not ordained as a priest, he held a significant position within the Church and was deeply involved in its activities.

Galileo Galilei was a Christian. He remained a devout Catholic throughout his life. Despite his conflicts with the Catholic Church over his support for the heliocentric model, Galileo did not see a conflict between his faith and his scientific work.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Combining evidence of a cold snap 2,000 years ago with sophisticated mapping of the Sea of Galilee, Israeli and U.S. scientists have come up with a scientific explanation of how Jesus could have walked on water. Their answer: It was actually floating ice.

Jesus was walking on thin ice, claim scientists

Jesus may have appeared to be walking on water when he was actually floating on a thin layer of ice, formed by a rare combination of weather and water conditions on the Sea of Galilee, according to a team of US and Israeli scientists.

www.theguardian.com

So the Bible lied is what you’re saying. You’re saying that Jesus didn’t really walk on water He walked on ice. And Jesus walked up to the boat and got in but yet the boat didn’t have any problems rowing thru the ice filled lake? If there were sheets of ice thick enough and big enough for Him to walk on without them flipping over or cracking & breaking they wouldn’t be able to row a boat thru it. So before you just throw out the first idea you see, you really should read the passage and consider everything that is being said because that explanation isn’t viable.

 

[Armchair Apologist]

Combining evidence of a cold snap 2,000 years ago with sophisticated mapping of the Sea of Galilee, Israeli and U.S. scientists have come up with a scientific explanation of how Jesus could have walked on water. Their answer: It was actually floating ice.

Jesus was walking on thin ice, claim scientists

Jesus may have appeared to be walking on water when he was actually floating on a thin layer of ice, formed by a rare combination of weather and water conditions on the Sea of Galilee, according to a team of US and Israeli scientists.

www.theguardian.com

They are always looking for a naturalistic, scientific explanation for the miraculous events recorded in the scriptures. These miraculous events are just what they say they are - miraculous and supernatural! They require no scientific explanation because none are to be found!

If you are able to come up with a naturalistic explanation for each of the miraculous events recorded in the scriptures, you may also question the divinely inspired nature of these scriptures. The "Authenticity and Validity of Miracles" is a core fundamental of the Christian faith.

 

[Dan1988]

This is why we show that the Bible interpretation came before Science. This is clearly the case with the big bang theory. This was a religious belief that Science was able to verify. Another example: heliocentrism began with Copernicus.

Nicolaus Copernicus was a Christian. He was actually a canon in the Catholic Church, which is a church administrative role12. Although he was not ordained as a priest, he held a significant position within the Church and was deeply involved in its activities.

Galileo Galilei was a Christian. He remained a devout Catholic throughout his life. Despite his conflicts with the Catholic Church over his support for the heliocentric model, Galileo did not see a conflict between his faith and his scientific work.

The Christian religion never taught any such thing as a "big bang theory". The creation account in the bible, can't be used to support the big bang theory or the theory of evolution.
So this was never a belief held by any Christian Religion. I don't know what the Pagan Religions taught, but I know they're all false.