How Old Is The Earth

[Ace777]

, I can talk to some AI directly

That would be wonderful if you could do that for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you.

 

[trophy33]

That would be wonderful if you could do that for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you.

I did not ask you to do it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

These passages absolutely have to do with a temple. What are you talking about? God's throne is in His temple. Where else do you think His throne would be? In a swamp? No! That's where thrones are! They are in temples! God is a King, He rules from His temple.

So tell me this, are Jesus’ enemies going to be in His temple?

 

[Job 33:6]

That is pretty much the traditional understanding of the scripture.
What does this have to do with the age of the earth?

Correct.

I shouldnt have quoted myself. If you go back to post 736, that should give context for what I was getting at.

 

[Ace777]

Only the YEC folk claim the creation to be 6k years ago

We are not talking about YEC we are talking about Theistic Evolution. Bible Adam was a man that lived 6,000 years ago. Science, Time magazine, Y-chromosomal Adam was a common ancestor that is believed to have lived 100,000 years ago in Africa. Of course things like this can tend to change as new information surfaces. Not only Adam and Eve, Science also used Eden to describe a biodiverse eco system. The Eden in the Bible was in the Tigris Euphrates river valley, believed to be Mesopotamia at one time. Phonicians and Semetic people lived there at the time.

The Adam in Chapter one represents mankind (Science Adam) and the Adam in Chapter two represents the Hebrew people (Bible Adam).

Again one lived 100,000 years ago and the other lived 6,000 years ago. The YEC people ONLY believe in Bible Adam so they do come up with an age of 6,000 years for the earth. Theistic and OEC use whatever age Science is currently giving us. Some YEC even believe all of Pangea was Eden and that flood at Pangea took place at the time of Noah. Again they do not see two different floods. They ONLY see one flood.

Theistic people believe one is a shadow and a type or symbolic for the other. (Adam, Eve & Eden)
"Out of Africa" is very popular right now and it widely accepted. There is a book that says there are "seven daughters of Eve" Currently the Eve in the Garden of Eden is one of 19 different Eves. This is the book that made cheddar man popular when they extracted DNA from the tooth of Cheddar man and found a living person related to him. Although they knew it was a stacked deck because LOTS of people are related to him.

YEC actually is very accurate for the last 6,000 years and they have nothing to say about what took place before that point in time. Not everyone sees the shadow and type of the connection between YEC and OEC.

"Haplogroup J is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Jewish men, with estimates ranging from 35–43%. This haplogroup is also common in the Middle East and Southern Europe. In particular, J1 is the most common haplogroup in Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, where up to 70% of males may belong to it. It's also common among Ashkenazi Jews and Arab Bedouins. As of January 2019, there were 10 ancestral Y-DNA lines in haplogroup J1 in the Ashkenazi Jewish population." If you do a google search this is the results you get from AI.

So YEC says the earth is 6,000 years, OEC uses the date from Science that says the earth 4.5 billion years with an age for the universe of 12.8 billion years. All three YEC OEC & TE have a lot of support from Science and the Bible.

 

[Ace777]

The earth could have existed as a water covered rock before there was any life on earth.

Wasn't the first life on Earth IN the WATER? According to AI: "Scientists believe that life on Earth may have originated underwater, possibly in the ocean or near deep-sea hydrothermal vents". It could be that the Bible says live began on the land.

Life on Earth is thought to have begun at least 3.5 billion years ago, and possibly as early as 3.8–4.1 billion years ago. The earliest known fossils of life on Earth date back to 3.5 billion years ago, but chemical traces of life have been found in even older rocks.

This needs to be taken into consideration to determine the age of the earth. All the pieces have to fit into the puzzle.

 

[David Lamb]

The Adam in Chapter one represents mankind (Science Adam) and the Adam in Chapter two represents the Hebrew people (Bible Adam).

I am wondering on what basis you can say that with such apparent certainty. The Adam of Genesis 1 is the same person as the Adam of Genesis 2. In what sense do you see the Adam of Genesis 2 representing the (yet to be established) Hebrew people?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yahwey walking in the garden and descending at the tower of Babel wasn't the father? What Bible are you reading?

The word Elohim is used in Genesis 3 which means God, not Father and Yahweh is used in Genesis 11 which means God or Lord. Neither of these words are exclusive to God The Father. Jesus specifically said that no one has ever seen The Father. He also said no one has ascended into heaven except He who has descended, the Son of Man. So if Elohim (God) was walking in the garden and no one, including Adam & Eve, has ever seen The Father, and no one has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who the ONLY OTHER PERSON is who fits the description of God?

 

[Ace777]

I am wondering on what basis you can say that with such apparent certainty. The Adam of Genesis 1 is the same person as the Adam of Genesis 2. In what sense do you see the Adam of Genesis 2 representing the (yet to be established) Hebrew people?

The journey to trace Haplogroup J back to the common ancestor of all mankind is a fascinating one. (AI)

"Haplogroup J is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Jewish men, with estimates ranging from 35–43%. This haplogroup is also common in the Middle East and Southern Europe. In particular, J1 is the most common haplogroup in Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, where up to 70% of males may belong to it. It's also common among Ashkenazi Jews and Arab Bedouins. As of January 2019, there were 10 ancestral Y-DNA lines in haplogroup J1 in the Ashkenazi Jewish population." If you do a google search this is the results you get from AI."

Haplogroup J, also known as Y-DNA haplogroup J-M304, has an intriguing history. It is believed to have evolved in Western Asia approximately 42,900 years ago1. From there, it spread during the Neolithic period to various regions, including North Africa, the Horn of Africa, the Socotra Archipelago, the Caucasus, Europe, Anatolia, Central Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia1.

Of course 200 million years is not much compared to a 4.5 billion year earth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think you assume too much. The earth could have existed as a water covered rock before there was any life on earth. This is what seems to be communicated in the statement "and the earth was without form and void," - meaning:
The earth existed as a water-covered rock,
without form means there was no exposed land, so it was just a water - covered rock,
void means it had no life in it, that is, it was devoid of life.

I can certainly see how it could mean exactly that. This would account for astronomical evidence that the U existed for B of years, in which we see events happening that are up to 10B light years away.

But then, the Bible is not a science textbook, so trying to make it fit modern science is an erroneous method of interpretation. This is why I'm saying I'll hold to what science shows, that is, observations that imply there is something wrong with the traditional 6k year old U. So saying that Gen. 1 follows ANE cosmology, which it does actually look like it, is the best explanation of it IMO.

You’re completely free to believe whatever you want, I believe Exodus 20:11.

 

[David Lamb]

The journey to trace Haplogroup J back to the common ancestor of all mankind is a fascinating one. (AI)

"Haplogroup J is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Jewish men, with estimates ranging from 35–43%. This haplogroup is also common in the Middle East and Southern Europe. In particular, J1 is the most common haplogroup in Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, where up to 70% of males may belong to it. It's also common among Ashkenazi Jews and Arab Bedouins. As of January 2019, there were 10 ancestral Y-DNA lines in haplogroup J1 in the Ashkenazi Jewish population." If you do a google search this is the results you get from AI."

Haplogroup J, also known as Y-DNA haplogroup J-M304, has an intriguing history. It is believed to have evolved in Western Asia approximately 42,900 years ago1. From there, it spread during the Neolithic period to various regions, including North Africa, the Horn of Africa, the Socotra Archipelago, the Caucasus, Europe, Anatolia, Central Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia1.

Of course 200 million years is not much compared to a 4.5 billion year earth.

So you aren't asserting on any biblical basis that the Adam of Genesis 1 represented all mankind and the Adam of Genesis 2 represented the Hebrews?

 

[Ace777]

So you aren't asserting on any biblical basis that the Adam of Genesis 1 represented all mankind

That would be NIV "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." Is there a problem with using the NIV?

 

[Ace777]

You’re completely free to believe whatever you want, I believe Exodus 20:11.

This all depends on what the word "days" means. If this is literal or metaphoric or both.

 

[David Lamb]

That would be NIV "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." Is there a problem with using the NIV?

Well, that verse is similar in the New King James Version:

“So God created man in His [own] image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” (Ge 1:27 NKJV)

That certainly shows that Adam in Genesis 1 is a representative of all mankind. What about your assertion that Adam in Genesis 2 represents the Hebrews?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Precisely why ANE cosmology was figured out by men of the times. They thought that their conclusions about the cosmos was correct, based on their observations. Their idea was the "science" of the day, except they didn't have Galileo's telescopes to see they needed to rethink it. Gen 1 looks much like ANE cosmology. The difference is that the only true God creating everything is being communicated.

So what you’re saying is that either God lied in Exodus 20:11 or Moses lied in Exodus 20:1. What it boils down to is either God lied to Moses in Exodus 20:11 or Moses lied about what God actually said in Exodus 20:11. Oh and Genesis 2:1-3 is also a lie. That’s the only way what you’re saying can be correct.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This all depends on what the word "days" means. If this is literal or metaphoric or both.

Can you show me another example of the word Yovm being used to represent anything other than a 24 hour period of time or daytime as opposed to night time? Now mind you we’re looking for specifically for Yovm, not Beyovm or Yamim or any of the other variations of the word because Beyovm means “in the day” and can be used to refer to a period of time other than a 24 hour period, it can be used in reference to a period of time when a specific event occurs or when a specific individual lived and things of that nature. Yovm on the other hand is never used in that fashion anywhere in the scriptures.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Bible is not a science or math textbook, and it's a mistake to try and make it so.

I absolutely agree, what it is tho is a history book that gives us specific information about things that took place in the past.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That is pretty much the traditional understanding of the scripture.
What does this have to do with the age of the earth?

So Adam & Eve saw God The Father? How do you reconcile this with John 6:46?

“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Ace777]

So Adam & Eve saw God The Father? How do you reconcile this with John 6:46?

John 6:46 states, “Not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.” This verse emphasizes that no one has directly seen God the Father except Jesus, who came from God and uniquely knows Him. The phrase “seen the Father” doesn’t necessarily refer to physical sight but rather to knowing God intimately. Jesus, being the Son of God, had a unique relationship with the Father, allowing Him to reveal God’s nature to humanity. So, while Adam and Eve interacted with God in the Garden of Eden, their encounter likely involved a different aspect of God’s presence—perhaps the pre-incarnate Christ or an angelic manifestation. Ultimately, understanding this requires considering both the literal and symbolic aspects of Scripture

 

[Job 33:6]

So Adam & Eve saw God The Father? How do you reconcile this with John 6:46?

“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

It's easy to reconcile when you recognize that the context in the old testament is not the same context as in the new testament. It's like asking, how do you reconcile Satan being an evil one who God despises in the new testament, but then for whatever reason, Satan is residing in heaven, with God, among Gods council, in Job chapter 1 and 2 as if they aren't enemies.

The simple answer is that, the context is different. There's perhaps several hundred years that passes between when either one is written.