How Old Is The Earth

[Ace777]

Can you show me another example of the word Yovm being used to represent anything other than a 24 hour period of time

Lots of places. For example Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

If you want the literal day that would be on Oct 29 4004. That was the literal day that God finished His work. God only made one day. All the other days are a copy of the original day. The day begins when the sun sets. So at the north pole there is only one sunset or one day a year.

 

[Job 33:6]

John 6:46 states, “Not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.” This verse emphasizes that no one has directly seen God the Father except Jesus, who came from God and uniquely knows Him. The phrase “seen the Father” doesn’t necessarily refer to physical sight but rather to knowing God intimately. Jesus, being the Son of God, had a unique relationship with the Father, allowing Him to reveal God’s nature to humanity. So, while Adam and Eve interacted with God in the Garden of Eden, their encounter likely involved a different aspect of God’s presence—perhaps the pre-incarnate Christ or an angelic manifestation. Ultimately, understanding this requires considering both the literal and symbolic aspects of Scripture

Even this response is somewhat anachronistic.

You have to understand that, the Old Testament authors, they didn't know anything about preincarnate Christ. Angelic manifestation is probably more in line.

In the Old Testament, deities were described in terms of having physical bodies. That's how they interact. 1 Kings 22. They collaborate in community with one another.

Supernatural beings are personified in the Old Testament. Where is in the New Testament, with the exception of maybe Satan or what or two other figures, that's largely not the case.

And so when the Old Testament describes God and throned, it is anthropomorphizing God. But it is indeed speaking of Yahweh. The father.

And hopefully everyone can agree on this, especially since the Old Testament explicitly states that it is Yahweh walking in the garden.

 

[Job 33:6]

Lots of places. For example Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

If you want the literal day that would be on Oct 29 4004. That was the literal day that God finished His work. God only made one day. All the other days are a copy of the original day. The day begins when the sun sets. So at the north pole there is only one sunset or one day a year.

And I do like this approach,

But my thoughts is, Solomon's Temple is inaugurated in 7 days, and God rests on his throne once the temple is completed.

So, if we look at Genesis, God rests on the 7th day. And we see heaven and earth, routinely spoken of as God's dwelling place, His principal temple. In the old testament. And temples in the Old Testament also reflect creation, they are decorated with vegetation, there's the cast laver holding the waters, there's the cherubim in sacred space just like in Eden etc.

And first Kings and second Chronicles cover these topics. Among other passages and chapters.

And so the 7 days of Genesis can be 24-hour days, and the text still doesn't or wouldn't have anything to do with the age of the Earth or universe.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's easy to reconcile when you recognize that the context in the old testament is not the same context as in the new testament. It's like asking, how do you reconcile Satan being an evil one who God despises in the new testament, but then for whatever reason, Satan is residing in heaven, with God, among Gods council, in Job chapter 1 and 2 as if they aren't enemies.

The simple answer is that, the context is different. There's perhaps several hundred years that passes between when either one is written.

You just said it’s easy to answer then didn’t give any answer at all.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Lots of places. For example Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

If you want the literal day that would be on Oct 29 4004. That was the literal day that God finished His work. God only made one day. All the other days are a copy of the original day. The day begins when the sun sets. So at the north pole there is only one sunset or one day a year.

Days is Yemei not Yovm.

John 6:46 states, “Not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.” This verse emphasizes that no one has directly seen God the Father except Jesus, who came from God and uniquely knows Him. The phrase “seen the Father” doesn’t necessarily refer to physical sight but rather to knowing God intimately. Jesus, being the Son of God, had a unique relationship with the Father, allowing Him to reveal God’s nature to humanity. So, while Adam and Eve interacted with God in the Garden of Eden, their encounter likely involved a different aspect of God’s presence—perhaps the pre-incarnate Christ or an angelic manifestation. Ultimately, understanding this requires considering both the literal and symbolic aspects of Scripture

Nowhere does the Bible ever say that God The Father ever met face to face with anyone. I agree it was Jesus that’s my whole point.

 

[Job 33:6]

You just said it’s easy to answer then didn’t give any answer at all.

That is an answer. Pointing out that the context is different, is a clear statement as to why the passages have the appearance as if they contradict one another.

 

[Job 33:6]

Days is Yemei not Yovm.

Nowhere does the Bible ever say that God The Father ever met face to face with anyone. I agree it was Jesus that’s my whole point.

And no, it's not Jesus in the garden, it says "Yahwey".

That's God the Father. For anyone who reads the Bible, you should know this.

How has the church gotten so Biblically confused, that they read the name, that is, The proper name for God the Father "Yahwey". Yahwey almighty.

And somehow they just say "well it's not talking about the Father, it's talking about Jesus".

Like, how clear could the Bible be? It names the Father, point blank.

Nobody turns to the Book of Matthew, and reads about a conversation between Jesus and the disciples and says "oh yea, that's actually Yahwey the Father eating dinner at the last supper with the disciples", and that's not actually Jesus.

Um no? There's a reason they have names. That's Yahwey the Father, in the garden. Walking. Jesus wasn't born yet. Moses didn't know who Jesus was. So that's not what Moses or the isrealites would have known of this passage. That's not the original meaning or context of the passage.

That's some modern anachronistic misreading.

Has the church gotten so extensively confused about the Bible, that when it says "Yahwey", we still somehow get this confused with some other member of the Trinity?

The Bible: Yahwey walks in the garden
Modern church: oh that's not actually Yahwey, that's Jesus.

Huh?

If people can't even get this straight, then there's no way any other interpretation dispute in the Bible could ever be resolved.

 

[Platte]

There is no example in the Bible of summing the ages of patriarchs to get the age of the Universe. And there is also no instruction in the Bible to do it.

No serious archeologist or historian thinks people lived 900 years, literally. Only the YEC camp proponents, but those also believe people lived with dinosaurs and various other kinds of nonsense.

Based on the genealogies of the Bible Creation was approximately 6000 years ago. And yes the Bible gives the age of people and some lived 900+ years. The Bible is the Word of God. Keep changing the meaning and accuracy of what the Bible says to fit your worldview, it’s gonna serve you well.

 

[Platte]

This is obviously an absurd statement. What do you mean there is not much debate? Only the YEC folk claim the creation to be 6k years ago, the rest (the vast majority) of Christians do not and there is much debate because of it, even in this thread.

When do you think Adam was created?

Thats a huge assuming, which goes against the symbolism found in the genealogies themselves and against basically all of the natural and historical evidence.

But you agree the Bible does trace creation back to 6000 years ago based the genealogy presented

Also, why do you define the Bible as the Massoretic text, only? The Septuagint will not give you 6,000 years.


Ancient people did not write scientific kind of history,

Scientific kind of history? That’s a new one.

but mythological kind if history. The beginnings of the agricultural era, of civilizations, of Egypt, Summer can be presented by them as the point of creation, as the beginning, but it’s not scientific.

Dumb

People existed long before that, as hunters and gatherers, through ice ages.

Creation was 6k years ago. That doesn’t leave long before Mesopotamia.

Its good to know that ancient Mesopotamian people saw chaos as non-existence. Only things that are ordered and got a function in an ordered system are existing. They did not use the material view of existence as we use today.

What’s that got to do with the Bible?

 

[Job 33:6]

‭Exodus 33:21-23 NRSV‬
[21] And the Lord continued, “See, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock; [22] and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by; [23] then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back; but my face shall not be seen.”

Also, Moses did see Yahweys back. Just not Gods face.

But not being able to see God's face doesn't mean that God can't walk in the garden or move about without His throne.

@BNR32FAN

 

[Platte]

Using them, but in the theological or genealogical way. Never to number their ages as if these were literal.

Adam to Abraham is about 2000 years based on the genealogies. There is nothing in the Bible that says or implies not to take the Creation account or the genealogies literally.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There is nothing in the Bible that says or implies not to take the Creation account or the genealogies literally.

Except that it is a genre of ancient literature that had purpose beyond the literal historical.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Lots of places. For example Genesis 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."

If you want the literal day that would be on Oct 29 4004. That was the literal day that God finished His work. God only made one day. All the other days are a copy of the original day. The day begins when the sun sets. So at the north pole there is only one sunset or one day a year.

Yeah that interpretation doesn’t help much when you’re trying to get 4 billion years out of a text that says 6 days. So according to this interpretation you’re at 6 years which is still a long ways from 4 billion years. So that doesn’t work either. Not to mention that now we’re at God resting on the 7th year instead of day and why go by the North Pole? Why not go by the entire planet that always has sunlight and darkness simultaneously 24/7/365? All this interpretation has accomplished is arriving at an interpretation that is contradictory to science and the context of scripture.

 

[Platte]

There is no example in the Bible of summing the ages of patriarchs to get the age of the Universe. And there is also no instruction in the Bible to do it.

No serious archeologist or historian thinks people lived 900 years, literally. Only the YEC camp proponents, but those also believe people lived with dinosaurs and various other kinds of nonsense.

Where did you get this idea that you shouldn’t take the Bible literally?

 

[Platte]

Except that it is a genre of ancient literature that had purpose beyond the literal historical.

Silly

 

[BNR32FAN]

That is an answer. Pointing out that the context is different, is a clear statement as to why the passages have the appearance as if they contradict one another.

No that’s not an answer to the question how do you reconcile the fact that Jesus said no one has seen The Father. You just made a claim that the context is different and didn’t give any explanation at all as to how it is different. You just avoided the question all together.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Silly

How so?

I take it you reject Historical-biblical criticism: Textual, source, form and literary.

Too modern for you?

 

[Platte]

How so?

I take it you reject Historical-biblical criticism: Textual, source, form and literary.

Too modern for you?

Show some respect to the Bible. It is the Word of God. Go to a non Christian forum if you want to disrespect it. The Bible means what it says. If the Bible is presenting Historical information that that was the purpose of it. Reject it at your own risk but don’t try to get others to follow you - the outcome will not be good for you

 

[BNR32FAN]

And no, it's not Jesus in the garden, it says "Yahwey".

That's God the Father. For anyone who reads the Bible, you should know this.

How has the church gotten so Biblically confused, that they read the name, that is, The proper name for God the Father "Yahwey". Yahwey almighty.

And somehow they just say "well it's not talking about the Father, it's talking about Jesus".

Like, how clear could the Bible be? It names the Father, point blank.

Yahweh means God, it is not specific to The Father. It’s not The Father’s name otherwise we would see it in the New Testament. The Jews no doubt believed it was God The Father because they were monotheists, they didn’t believe in Christ’s divinity or the Trinity Godhead which is why they couldn’t understand why the word US is in Genesis 1:26. Nobody understood why until during Jesus’ ministry His divinity was revealed which gave us John 1:1-3. Then all the sudden everybody understood why the word US is in Genesis 1:26 because it was finally revealed. Another thing that was also revealed during Christ’s ministry is that NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN THE FATHER EXCEPT JESUS. So yeah you’re not going to find evidence of Jesus being referred to as God in the Old Testament without references from the New Testament. You’re completely trying to run away from the fact that Jesus specifically said that no one has ever seen The Father except Him because you don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Show some respect to the Bible. It is the Word of God. Go to a non Christian forum if you want to disrespect it. The Bible means what it says. If the Bible is presenting Historical information that that was the purpose of it. Reject it at your own risk but don’t try to get others to follow you - the outcome will not be good for you

Appreciating more than a literal interpretation is not "disrespecting".
In fact it is showing more respect by not presuming a historical information purpose.

How old is the Earth? The Bible does not address this question. Trying to derive some sort of timeline using genealogies is to misuse them.