How Old Is The Earth

[tdidymas]

Having adult size bones is not a history lengthy existence? Long hair that takes years to grow? Tall trees? Anything created at a certain age has history of existence

What a stupid straw man argument! No, you're wrong about those things being a history of existence. Adam having scars from 20 years of work in the garden would be a history of existence. God can create anything He wants in a day of time, as His power is likely infinite. He could have created the U in an instant, theoretically. In our imagination, we could say that God's miraculous power is that great, is infinite, and is effortless to Him (although I don't really believe God effortless created the U in a single moment).

If the U was quiet and only had light from stars and galaxies, and nothing else was happening, then my whole argument of having a history of existence would fall flat. But what do we actually observe? Supernova events that happened long before 6k yrs ago. We can safely believe this, because light simply does not travel across B of LY distance in an instant. Anyone who understands how light is generated from a source can see that "instantaneous travel" of light is a ludicrous argument.

 

[tdidymas]

Not if the light was seen on earth from creation. You need to think in terms of Creation.

I conclude that you don't understand the concept.

 

[Platte]

Can light speed be measured in one direction if the distance is only 10 meters? If so, then one could measure the speed in one direction, and then measure in the other direction. Clocks at either end can be synchronized by triangulation. That would debunk the asynchronous aether theory.

I'm not buying what they're selling, and not willing to engage in a ludicrous argument that might take months of research to debunk.

The speed of direct light - one way light - cannot and has never been measured. That is a scientific fact. No we cannot measure the speed of light even if the distance is only 10 meters. The one way direct light speed cannot be measure.

 

[Platte]

What a stupid straw man argument! No, you're wrong about those things being a history of existence. Adam having scars from 20 years of work in the garden would be a history of existence. God can create anything He wants in a day of time, as His power is likely infinite. He could have created the U in an instant, theoretically. In our imagination, we could say that God's miraculous power is that great, is infinite, and is effortless to Him (although I don't really believe God effortless created the U in a single moment).

If the U was quiet and only had light from stars and galaxies, and nothing else was happening, then my whole argument of having a history of existence would fall flat. But what do we actually observe? Supernova events that happened long before 6k yrs ago. We can safely believe this, because light simply does not travel across B of LY distance in an instant. Anyone who understands how light is generated from a source can see that "instantaneous travel" of light is a ludicrous argument.

What scars of the universe are you talking about? Natural occurring events in the universe are not scars. Just like the natural occuring event of growing bones and hair are not scars.

 

[Platte]

I conclude that you don't understand the concept.

What if light was instantaneous at creation. What would that mean to the light that we are seeing? Wouldn’t that mean we are seeing things in real time? Interesting concept to think about.

 

[tdidymas]

What scars of the universe are you talking about? Natural occurring events in the universe are not scars. Just like the natural occuring event of growing bones and hair are not scars.

Supernovas are scars. nyuk nyuk.

 

[tdidymas]

What if light was instantaneous at creation. What would that mean to the light that we are seeing? Wouldn’t that mean we are seeing things in real time? Interesting concept to think about.

That would mean the speed of light would be infinite, which would take all the energy that exists in the known universe (and more). I'm not buying what you're selling.

 

[tdidymas]

The speed of direct light - one way light - cannot and has never been measured. That is a scientific fact. No we cannot measure the speed of light even if the distance is only 10 meters. The one way direct light speed cannot be measure.

All you do is argue theory and opinions. You don't hold the intellectual high ground. It appears to me all you want to do is argue and avoid the real issues. I'm done with you.

 

[Platte]

All you do is argue theory and opinions. You don't hold the intellectual high ground. It appears to me all you want to do is argue and avoid the real issues. I'm done with you.

My attempt was to give you a broad overview and understand of the construct of Creation. You preferred to get into details without fully understanding the construct. I certainly will reevalute myself to be sure I am articulating it better.
Best of luck to you.

BTW: a supernova is a naturally occurent event of a star as it ends - its not a scar.

 

[Platte]

That would mean the speed of light would be infinite, which would take all the energy that exists in the known universe (and more). I'm not buying what you're selling.

According to Einstein light has no mass and thus light has no energy

 

[SuperCow]

Can light speed be measured in one direction if the distance is only 10 meters? If so, then one could measure the speed in one direction, and then measure in the other direction. Clocks at either end can be synchronized by triangulation. That would debunk the asynchronous aether theory.

I'm not buying what they're selling, and not willing to engage in a ludicrous argument that might take months of research to debunk.

I don't buy it either, but your experiment to debunk won't work either. Light takes 0.0000000333564 seconds to travel 10m. You would have to synchronize a starting point light and an ending point timing device. The electricity reaching the light plus activating the light source takes a tiny amount of time. The activation of the receiving device to detect the first photon, plus timing the starting point also takes a tiny amount of time.

If the distance is longer, this doesn't help, because then it takes longer to start the light and the timing device, and at that high of speed (being a speed limit of all non-theoretical particles), it is impossible to synchronize both sides in parallel. Therefore even devising a reliable experiment that coordinates from both sides is also impossible.

But that doesn't really matter. The reflected time has been reliable enough that we can synchronize orbital clocks using relativity that is based on that speed. We also use that speed when measuring radio wave frequencies that have been transmitted for the past 100+ years. (Not really needed for crude analog wave receivers, but digital multiplexed communication devices based on radio waves like digital TV, satellite communication, cell phones, and wifi have to precisely synchronize the signals for communication protocols to work. And they're received at a precise speed known as the speed of light. (The same is used in microwave ovens and x-ray devices, but I think in those cases, we don't need to know the exact speed)

 

[SuperCow]

According to Einstein light has no mass and thus light has no energy

But it is also a wave and therefore does have momentum. Light gets its energy from the momentum in that wave.

This article nicely simplifies the concept:

Light has no mass so it also has no energy according to Einstein, but how can sunlight warm the earth without energy?

 

[tdidymas]

According to Einstein light has no mass and thus light has no energy

If light has no energy, then how can the wavelength change, and how can the light from the sun warm the Earth? Light is energy. But of course you don't believe that, so why should I say anything else to you? Like I said, I'm done with you.

 

[tdidymas]

I don't buy it either, but your experiment to debunk won't work either. Light takes 0.0000000333564 seconds to travel 10m. You would have to synchronize a starting point light and an ending point timing device. The electricity reaching the light plus activating the light source takes a tiny amount of time. The activation of the receiving device to detect the first photon, plus timing the starting point also takes a tiny amount of time.

If the distance is longer, this doesn't help, because then it takes longer to start the light and the timing device, and at that high of speed (being a speed limit of all non-theoretical particles), it is impossible to synchronize both sides in parallel. Therefore even devising a reliable experiment that coordinates from both sides is also impossible.

But that doesn't really matter. The reflected time has been reliable enough that we can synchronize orbital clocks using relativity that is based on that speed. We also use that speed when measuring radio wave frequencies that have been transmitted for the past 100+ years. (Not really needed for crude analog wave receivers, but digital multiplexed communication devices based on radio waves like digital TV, satellite communication, cell phones, and wifi have to precisely synchronize the signals for communication protocols to work. And they're received at a precise speed known as the speed of light. (The same is used in microwave ovens and x-ray devices, but I think in those cases, we don't need to know the exact speed)

I used 10m because the video assumed that the transmitter would be on Earth and the receiver on Mars, and offered no alternative, which I consider a straw man argument.

 

[Platte]

If light has no energy, then how can the wavelength change, and how can the light from the sun warm the Earth? Light is energy. But of course you don't believe that, so why should I say anything else to you? Like I said, I'm done with you.

I have no idea. Light is a very deep and interesting topic though. I would think there’s energy somewhere in light but not sure, gravity always seems to play a part in energy

 

[Ace777]

He could have created the U in an instant

He did from the beginning of time everything has been here. Nothing has been added. At first we had hydrogen. Helium was the first molecule to be created from the Hydrogen and then Lithium. What began in the beginning was time. According to Einstein E=MC2.

 

[SuperCow]

An interesting video explaining how light speed was calculated in the 19th century.

Measuring the speed of light

 

[Rxlx]

It's not in the Bible, it's in Jewish literature. I have not read much of the Talmud, and I can't validate the link below, but I have seen the story paraphrased in multiple places. (Just to clarify, I do not believe the details of this story at all. I only find the inclusion of boiling water as a source of destruction interesting.):

Zevachim 113b (This link should highlight the story in question)

It's hard to find the actual textual source online, but there are many commentaries about it that pretty much all say the same thing..

 

[DejiDara]

How Old is the Earth?

Well, I've gotten the answer to that.

The answer is: No creation knows how old

Since we are the creation of the lord almighty. It's right if we don't know how old the earth is ‘cause that is what makes God - God. He's a mysterious being. This type of question even the devil can't answer it.

 

[Diamond72]

How Old is the Earth?

The earth is six days old. So the question is: HOW long is a day. Is a day 24 hours, 1,000 years or a billion years? A 24 hour day can still be symbolic or allegorical. A best selling book: "Paradigm" explains how this works. ``