How Old Is The Earth

[Platte]

Did God determine that Jonah would disobey him so that he could cause him to be thrown overboard and eaten by a big fish?
Did God determine that David would tell Uriah to go home and seduce his wife - hoping that they could then pass the child off as his and no one would find out about David's affair?

The Bible was not dictated from heaven - even the Jews didn't claim that about the OT.

The Bible was dictated and determined by God and God alone.

Those acts committed by Jonah and David (and the other you mention) - were included in the Bible by God's determination - not man's. Both of those incident provide a life lesson for all of us - and are in the Bible for the purpose that God determined.

 

[tdidymas]

There are different words for "day". Usually they have more letters in them. Each letter has meaning so the more letters the more the word "day" means. In Genesis chapter one there is no question the word day means a 24 hour day. It is later on in the Bible looking back on Genesis one that the more complex word for day can mean age or era of time.

We need to take into consideration that God declares the end from the beginning. Genesis chapter one says in the beginning. Genesis chapter two says "finished" both in reference to the Heaven and the Earth. This is why GAP says there is a Gap of time between when God declares something to be and when His work is finished.

At carvery Jesus said: "It is finished" thousands of years before I was born or before He began a "finished" work in me and in my life.

I don't get your point. Are you talking about the OP?

 

[Ace777]

Don't accept my words; check it out.

I have read the Bible myself. I do not need anyone to tell me anything. I am fine without their help. .

 

[Ace777]

The Bible was dictated and determined by God and God alone.

What scripture are you using for this?

 

[tdidymas]

Nobody but God Himself can possibly testify to what happened before the first man was created. You keep making all these excuses for not actually believing in what the Bible says without even thinking about the implications of what you’re saying. As I’ve pointed out numerous times Exodus 20 begins with the words “Then God spoke all these words”. God didn’t have to dictate the historical events that Moses knew about but nobody could’ve possibly known about the 6 day creation because NOBODY WAS CREATED YET. And the fact that the passage begins with the words “Then The Lord Spoke” indicates that GOD ABSOLUTELY DICTATED WHAT FOLLOWED.

You're talking about 2 different contexts. Ex. 20 says that God spoke the 10 commandments, v. 2-17. After that is what Moses wrote. Do you think there is not a difference?

You are assuming that God dictated the words of Gen. 1 just because no one was created until the 6th day? Could you be more specific on how you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Strong in Him]

The Bible was dictated and determined by God and God alone.

The Bible was not dictated, whether you believe that or not.

Those acts committed by Jonah and David (and the other you mention) - were included in the Bible by God's determination - not man's.

I was talking about the words that were used. You said that all the words of the Bible were determined by God.
Did God determine that David should say to Uriah "Go and make love to your wife"? Hoping that the baby would then be passed off as Uriah's and David would not get found out?
If God determined that David should first say those words to try to cover up his guilt, and then tell the commanding officer to put Uriah in the front line where he would very likely be killed - then God was helping David to cover up his disobedience. And if God was ok with David disobeying him, why did he punish him?

Both of those incident provide a life lesson for all of us - and are in the Bible for the purpose that God determined.

No doubt; but that wasn't my point.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have read the Bible myself. I do not need anyone to tell me anything. I am fine without their help. .

Oh dear.

 

[tdidymas]

I’m not sure why we’re talking about Abraham, it was Moses who wrote Genesis and Exodus but regardless if they were capable of understanding the concept of thousands and tens of thousands they were also capable of understanding hundreds of thousands.

Since Moses was 4 generations after Abraham, he would be included in the generation range from Abraham to Daniel.

 

[tdidymas]

Really because here you are again just two posts after this one that I’m replying to now saying the same exact thing.


Now correct me if I’m wrong here but again in the post above you’re saying that the 6 day creation account in the Bible came from man, NOT from God Himself. You’re saying it was man’s best guess at the time, Not God specifically speaking to Moses telling him exactly what took place.

This idea of your’s that the 6 day creation account is the result of men trying to figure out what took place during the creation process is derived completely from your imagination. There’s nothing to support it. It’s just an idea you conjured up to try to reconcile scripture with science. We’ve both been faced with that same dilemma of, you chose to conclude that science is right, I chose to conclude that the Bible is right because I’ve done some research on the dating methods and it’s based on assumptions and incomplete data. The dating methods are predictions based on the limited information we have. It’s based on the idea that if X and Y are true then the earth is X amount of years old. But there’s no guarantee that X and Y are actually true.

There is evidence outside the Bible that Gen. 1 follows an ANE cosmology and temple building and dedication scheme. You can get more info on that here: Amazon.com

I know where you want to go with this, you want to accuse me of not believing the Bible is inspired of God, but your accusation would be wrong.

But why aren't you answering my critical question, about how can we be observing 10B year old supernovas, if the U is only 6k yrs old? If you can't answer that one, then I think this conversation is over.

 

[Platte]

The Bible was not dictated, whether you believe that or not.

I was talking about the words that were used. You said that all the words of the Bible were determined by God.
Did God determine that David should say to Uriah "Go and make love to your wife"? Hoping that the baby would then be passed off as Uriah's and David would not get found out?
If God determined that David should first say those words to try to cover up his guilt, and then tell the commanding officer to put Uriah in the front line where he would very likely be killed - then God was helping David to cover up his disobedience. And if God was ok with David disobeying him, why did he punish him?


No doubt; but that wasn't my point.

It was God and God alone that determined what is in the Bible. Whether to allow the words you mentioned to be in the Bible was determine by God. When I say dictated I mean he determined the words to be in the Bible. Including the words you mentioned. God didn’t tempt Eve in the garden. Those were satans words. But God determined that it would be in the Bible

 

[Platte]

The Bible was not dictated, whether you believe that or not.

I was talking about the words that were used. You said that all the words of the Bible were determined by God.
Did God determine that David should say to Uriah "Go and make love to your wife"? Hoping that the baby would then be passed off as Uriah's and David would not get found out?
If God determined that David should first say those words to try to cover up his guilt, and then tell the commanding officer to put Uriah in the front line where he would very likely be killed - then God was helping David to cover up his disobedience. And if God was ok with David disobeying him, why did he punish him?


No doubt; but that wasn't my point.

dictate verb (GIVE ORDERS)​

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C1 [ I or T ]
to give orders, or tell someone exactlywhat they must do, with total authority:
The UN will dictate the terms of troopwithdrawal from the region.



The Bible was dictated by God and God alone

 

[Ace777]

I don't get your point. Are you talking about the OP?

I am talking about the meaning of the definition of the word FINISHED in Genesis 2:1. Finished and created are two different words with two different meanings.

In Genesis 2:1, the text states: “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.” This verse emphasizes the completion of the heavens and the earth. The word “completed” signifies that the work was finished or brought to an end. On the seventh day, God rested from the work of creation, signifying its completion 12.

When a car rolls off of an assembly line it is finished on that very day it is finished. But how long did it take to build the molds and make all the parts that go into that finished car? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Right now they are buiding two new factories for Toyota. One to build a battery and the other to build a car for that battery. We are talking 5 to 7 years from when the CEO says build the car and when the car is finished.

There is a day when that finished car rolls off of the assembly line.

 

[tdidymas]

I am talking about the meaning of the definition of the word FINISHED in Genesis 2:1. Finished and created are two different words with two different meanings.

In Genesis 2:1, the text states: “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.” This verse emphasizes the completion of the heavens and the earth. The word “completed” signifies that the work was finished or brought to an end. On the seventh day, God rested from the work of creation, signifying its completion 12.

When a car rolls off of an assembly line it is finished on that very day it is finished. But how long did it take to build the molds and make all the parts that go into that finished car? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Right now they are buiding two new factories for Toyota. One to build a battery and the other to build a car for that battery. We are talking 5 to 7 years from when the CEO says build the car and when the car is finished.

There is a day when that finished car rolls off of the assembly line.

I don't think this is the issue of the OP. I think it has more to do with how long it took to create everything, not when it was completed. A person's age is determined by how long they have lived their life so far, not when their life is finished. How old the earth is counts to when the creation began, not when it was done. How old the U is depends on when it began, not when God completed it. Of course, we could assume that the crown of His creation (mankind) was completed about 6k yrs ago, as archaeology seems to evidence. When paleontologists enter the mix, look out, they are usually atheist evolutionists.

But the point I'm trying to make in this thread is that supernovas have been observed in astronomy up to 10B lt yrs away, which implies the U is more than 10B yrs old.

 

[Ace777]

I think it has more to do with how long it took to create everything, not when it was completed.

God declares the end from the beginning.

person's age is determined by how long they have lived their life so far

We are born we die, our life is what happens between those two events. Like the cover on a book. Or the bread on a sandwich.

But the point I'm trying to make in this thread is that supernovas have been observed in astronomy up to 10B lt yrs away, which implies the U is more than 10B yrs old.

Earendel, a star in the Sunrise Arc galaxy, is 28 billion light-years away from Earth. That "implies the U is more than" 28 billion years.

In the beginning the universe expanded very fast. We can still see the light from that early universe today.

 

[Apple Sky]

Do you believe the KJV Bible is the Word of God?

I wouldn't trust any other Bible,

 

[Apple Sky]

Earendel, a star in the Sunrise Arc galaxy, is 28 billion light-years away from Earth.

No stars are not billion of light years away, they reside in the firmament along with the sun & the moon.

At creation;

Genesis 1:17​

King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 

[Strong in Him]

It was God and God alone that determined what is in the Bible. Whether to allow the words you mentioned to be in the Bible was determine by God. When I say dictated I mean he determined the words to be in the Bible. Including the words you mentioned. God didn’t tempt Eve in the garden. Those were satans words. But God determined that it would be in the Bible

God inspired the Bible to be written.
He did not dictate it from heaven. His words, the accounts of miracles, Paul's journeys etc. were written down by human beings - all of whom had different personalities, motives for writing and so on. Sometimes we see those personalities coming through.
So yes, God wanted people to know that circumcision was not necessary for NT believers. Yes, he wanted them to know that it was wrong to dilute, and try to add to, the message of the cross. But he did not tell Paul to write the actual words "let them go and castrate themselves." That was Paul feeling frustrated that men could try to add to the finished work of Jesus.

God's word is inspired and true.
But the words were written in Hebrew/Greek, translated into Latin, then into English and then into many other languages too.

 

[Ace777]

No stars are not billion of light years away, they reside in the firmament along with the sun & the moon.

They are filtered by the firmament. This is what we do in theater is we filter light. We can control reality when we control the light. he costumes they wear reflect the light. So if they wear white we can make their costume any color we want. We use space satellites so we can see the stars without the light being modified by our atmosphere.

 

[Apple Sky]

God's word is inspired and true.

So where's the problem ?

 

[Apple Sky]

They are filtered by the firmament.

No they are set in the Firmament.