How Old Is The Earth

[BNR32FAN]

It says that, with God, as day is AS a thousand years and a thousand years is AS a day. "As" and "like" are similes - not an exact science or literal description.
God is outside time. We say something is a long time; with God, it's far less. Revelation says "behold I am coming soon." That "soon" has, for us, been nearly 2000 years and counting. Every generation interprets that "soon" to be within their lifetime.

The Bible does not say 1 day IS 1000 years.

I don’t know why so many people try to use that interpretation in this manner. It’s not as if 6,000 years makes any difference at all because it’s still just as much of an impossibility as a 6 day creation according to science. Even if the Bible said that God created the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6,000 years these people still wouldn’t take it literally because it’s still an impossible time frame according to science.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Ten thousand times ten thousand" (Dan. 7:10) is the largest number in the OT scriptures. Assuming that Abraham could comprehend that number, it's 100M, not billions. And it likely is a very inaccurate approximation, like saying "a zillion" in modern language.

I’m not sure why we’re talking about Abraham, it was Moses who wrote Genesis and Exodus but regardless if they were capable of understanding the concept of thousands and tens of thousands they were also capable of understanding hundreds of thousands.

 

[Strong in Him]

I think you meant "at Calvary" - I can't imagine Jesus going to a carvery!

Pork chops, anyone?

 

[Strong in Him]

It was exactly 4,000 years from the birth of Adam to the birth of Jesus. October 29 4004 BCE

I assume you've included the 400 years between Joseph and Moses, and the 400 years between OT and NT in those calculations?

It was exactly 4,000 years from when Adam sinned and Jesus went to Calvary to pay for that sin.

I don't know about that. But even if it was; so?

This is the same as the 7th day which the Bible talks about extensively because the seventh day is the sabbath. God rested on the seventh day.

In the Bible, 3 and 7 are both the numbers of God.
7 represents completeness and 3 because oof the Trinity.

In the same way there is good reason to believe a day in Genesis represents 1,000 years. 13,000 years ago is when the ice age ended.

Which is a contradiction.
IF a day in Genesis represents 1,000 years, the earth is only 6,000 years old and the ice age cannot possibly have been 13,000 years ago.

The Bible writers did not say "one day IS 1,000 years", they said "with the Lord, 1 day is AS 1,000 years".
In other words, from his perspective - being outside of time.

 

[Ace777]

I assume you've included the 400 years between Joseph and Moses, and the 400 years between OT and NT in those calculations?

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[Strong in Him]

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[Ace777]

Going from Adam to Abraham is very easy, anyone can do that. We do not need the Bible for Abraham, the muslims know when he lived. I just go by Bishop Ussher but I did figure it out myself when I was younger. At one time I did do the math myself.

 

[Job 33:6]

I assume you've included the 400 years between Joseph and Moses, and the 400 years between OT and NT in those calculations?


I don't know about that. But even if it was; so?

In the Bible, 3 and 7 are both the numbers of God.
7 represents completeness and 3 because oof the Trinity.

Which is a contradiction.
IF a day in Genesis represents 1,000 years, the earth is only 6,000 years old and the ice age cannot possibly have been 13,000 years ago.

The Bible writers did not say "one day IS 1,000 years", they said "with the Lord, 1 day is AS 1,000 years".
In other words, from his perspective - being outside of time.

Another thing to consider is that, a literal 24-hour day can be used to describe a figurative concept. For example, Genesis creation occurs in 7 days, and just in this post you've noted that seven is the number that denotes completion in the Old Testament.

And with that, the reason Genesis is 7 days may simply be a matter of the text describing a fulfilled or complete amount of time. Not actually 7 scientifically or historically accurate days of time.

And that's an important observation about Genesis, that the creation story occur over 7 days. A lot of people do not know that 7 is a symbolic number used countless times in the old testament.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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You make an excellent point here.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Another thing to consider is that, a literal 24-hour day can be used to describe a figurative concept. For example, Genesis creation occurs in 7 days, and just in this post you've noted that seven is the number that denotes completion in the Old Testament.

And with that, the reason Genesis is 7 days may simply be a matter of the text describing a fulfilled or complete amount of time. Not actually 7 scientifically or historically accurate days of time.

And that's an important observation about Genesis, that the creation story occur over 7 days. A lot of people do not know that 7 is a symbolic number used countless times in the old testament.

Well except creation was completed in 6 days.

 

[Job 33:6]

Another thing to consider is that, a literal 24-hour day can be used to describe a figurative concept. For example, Genesis creation occurs in 7 days, and just in this post you've noted that seven is the number that denotes completion in the Old Testament.

And with that, the reason Genesis is 7 days may simply be a matter of the text describing a fulfilled or complete amount of time. Not actually 7 scientifically or historically accurate days of time.

And that's an important observation about Genesis, that the creation story occur over 7 days. A lot of people do not know that 7 is a symbolic number used countless times in the old testament.

Well except creation was completed in 6 days.

The story itself is 7 days long. You know that. Unless you think that God resting on the 7th day and completing His work is not an important part of the story. Here is how the story ends, for those that don't know:

‭Genesis 2:1-3 NASB1995‬
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. [2] By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [3] Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

It's even highlighted 3 times. Which has great emphasis, symbolically, as noted above as well. Tripartite reference in the old testament suggests that this is a significant conclusion to the text. It's essentially "the grand finale".

 

[trophy33]

It appears to me that all your discussions and commentary is directed at the King James Bible or other translation using the same source text that it uses. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing that there is not just one Bible. And never has been.

Do you believe the KJV Bible is the Word of God? If you don’t just say no.

You must define what you mean by the KJV being "the Word of God", precisely. Not in vague, general terms.

 

[Strong in Him]

Going from Adam to Abraham is very easy, anyone can do that. We do not need the Bible for Abraham, the muslims know when he lived. I just go by Bishop Ussher but I did figure it out myself when I was younger. At one time I did do the math myself.

That wasn't what I asked.

If you are doing calculations based on the Bible, you have to take into account that there were 400 years between Joseph and Moses, and another 400 between the end of Malachi and Matthew.
We're not told about these, but they are there.

 

[Ace777]

You make an excellent point here.

never use a lot of words when you can say what needs to be said in just a few.

 

[Ace777]

If you are doing calculations based on the Bible, you have to take into account that there were 400 years between Joseph and Moses, and another 400 between the end of Malachi and Matthew.
We're not told about these, but they are there.

So you do not accept Bishop Usshers book?

 

[Platte]

You must define what you mean by the KJV being "the Word of God", precisely. Not in vague, general terms.

That the words in the KJV conveys/represents the exact message that God wanted us to have with no errors or ommissions, that it presents the complete Truth that serves His purpose. That the words in the Bible were not determined by any man - but by God alone.

 

[trophy33]

That the words in the KJV conveys/represents the exact message that God wanted us to have with no errors or ommissions

What message is that? Monotheism, Christ and salvation? Yes, the KJV can teach you theological and moral basics.

That the words in the Bible were not determined by any man - but by God alone.

Nope, no Bible was dictated by God word by word. Even whole books are different in various Bibles, not to say individual words.

You can verify it even internally in your KJV - compare gospels to each other and you will see that.

 

[Platte]

What message is that? Monotheism, Christ and salvation? Yes, the KJV can teach you theological and moral basics.



Nope, no Bible was dictated by God word by word. Even whole books are different in various Bibles, not to say individual words.

You can verify it even internally in your KJV - compare gospels to each other and you will see that.

Thank you for answering.

 

[Strong in Him]

So you do not accept Bishop Usshers book?

I haven't read it.
I've heard of Bishop Ussher, though and I don't accept his view.

And if he was working out dates based on the numbers/ages of people in the Bible and didn't accept/realise that there are at least 800 extra years that aren't mentioned, then he's wrong.

Don't accept my words; check it out. Read a commentary, google "the intertestamental period" or something.
It's either true or it isn't. Truth can withstand questioning.

 

[Strong in Him]

That the words in the Bible were not determined by any man - but by God alone.

Really? All of them?
Paul's wish that false teachers who taught circumcision should go and castrate themselves: those words were determined by God, were they?
What about his teaching that no widow under the age of 60 should get financial support from the church, because they were idle busybodies, (1 Timothy 5:13); that was determined by God too, was it?
Or the fact that he had a sharp quarrel with Barnabas, (Acts 15:36-39) - the man who had presented him to the Apostles and said that his conversion was genuine; that argument was determined by God too? Did God determine that Paul should call Peter a hypocrite?
Did God determine that Jonah would disobey him so that he could cause him to be thrown overboard and eaten by a big fish?
Did God determine that David would tell Uriah to go home and seduce his wife - hoping that they could then pass the child off as his and no one would find out about David's affair?

The Bible was not dictated from heaven - even the Jews didn't claim that about the OT.