How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[visionary]

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so that is how you get those reps and blessings.. shame on you.. clean out your mail box and be done with it.

LLOJ is my bro... luv' ya!!!! Now clean up that mail box..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

so that is how you get those reps and blessings.. shame on you.......clean out your mail box and be done with it.

 

[Evergreen48]

so that is how you get those reps and blessings.. shame on you.. clean out your mail box and be done with it.

Hey now. LLOJ deserves every rep point and blessing he receives. LLOJ = MFF= My Friend forever

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am rather perplexed at that also.....

Here again is the verse CF uses to show the 2nd Coming/Parousia in Matthew 24.

Partial Preterists have to say this hasn't occured yet of course, otherwise they would be considered "unorthodox" here on CF.

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and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[psalms 91]

I am a pre trib believer as LLOJ knows so no need to post more.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am a pre trib believer as LLOJ knows so no need to post more.

So you are also a Partial Preterist? Nice! Thanks for your input

 

[psalms 91]

Throw all the titles at mee you want, I believe that Matthew 24 is only partly fulfilled because many of these things are going on as I write this

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Throw all the titles at mee you want, I believe that Matthew 24 is only partly fulfilled because many of these things are going on as I write this

Thank your for your response

 

[trialbyfire]

The abomination of desolation of Israel was in 66-70AD. We've been in the great tribulation ever since (wars, famines, plagues, persecution, martyrdom). This great tribulation will be cut short for the sake of the elect when Christ returns to remove the church and seal a remnant of Israel (the elect) on earth.

Therefore, as it now stands, we are currently in the great tribulation that will be cut short, followed immediately by the 6th seal (while gog is invading) which is the sun/moon darkening/stars falling and the outpouring of wrath in the form of trumpets, antichrist and bowls which is the 7th seal.

The reason this nearly 2000 year great tribulation is cut short is because of gog's invasion.

 

[Ed Bana]

The Great Tribulation is for the believers nogt the non believers.

 

[trialbyfire]

The Great Tribulation is for the believers nogt the non believers.

And we've been in it since the Roman armies surrounded Israel and left them desolated until the time of the end.

It is the time of wrath that immediately follows the end of the great tribulation that we are not appointed to suffer.

 

[Ed Bana]

I do not see the Great tribulation as a time period I see it is God doing a GREAT work in His out called; Great pressure


You all have made a Hugh doctrine of doom and gloom out of the twice mention words “Great tribulation” which simply means great pressure.

Strong’s NT:2347

thlipsis (thlip'-sis); from NT:2346; pressure (literally or figuratively):


Praise God for His pressure to change us; give me more Lord; give me more…


I do not believe in either pre, post or mid tribulation, or in anything that would cause the Church of Christ to ESCAPE tribulation anywhere in the scriptures. In fact, I fail to see that the time of great tribulation will cause any of us any harm at all, in fact, quite the contrary. When the Lord does come to judge the earth, He will do so TO SET CREATION FREE. The entire gamut of what modern Christianity has taught to date, and including the past 250 years, has all been based upon one single premise. That premise is that God is angry. God was taken by surprise when Adam ate of the forbidden tree, which tree God made anyways, and ever since God has been trying to figure out who will and who won't accept His sacrificed offering through the body of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The whole point though is not that God may or may not be mad, or that there will be great tribulation and rapture escapism theories. The whole point is that God subjected all of creation to the bondage of corruption to one day set all creation free again by THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.

And we've been in it since the Roman armies surrounded Israel and left them desolated until the time of the end.

It is the time of wrath that immediately follows the end of the great tribulation that we are not appointed to suffer.

 

[trialbyfire]

That's all well and good but Jesus defined very specifically and it is indeed, so far, a 2000 year time period.

Matthew 24, Jesus states that the great tribulation began when the abomination of desolation (Roman armies) desolated Israel. Jesus said that it will be cut short for the sake of the elect. Jesus said that immediately after the great tribulation, the sun/moon will darken/stars will fall which is the 6th seal, just as the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath is beginning, according to Rev 6.

Joel 2 shows us the reason that the great tribulation is cut short. It describes the Northern (gog) armies invading Israel as the sun/moon darken/stars fall.

Hosea 6 tells us that Israel's desolation lasts 2000 years.

What follows is the 7th seal, including the trumpets, antichrist, and bowls - all of which is the wrath of God which the church is not appointed to suffer.

 

[Ed Bana]

That's all well and good but Jesus defined very specifically and it is indeed, so far, a 2000 year time period.

Matthew 24, Jesus states that the great tribulation began when the abomination of desolation (Roman armies) desolated Israel. Jesus said that it will be cut short for the sake of the elect. Jesus said that immediately after the great tribulation, the sun/moon will darken/stars will fall which is the 6th seal, just as the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath is beginning, according to Rev 6.

The message of Matthew 24 is a spiritual message not a literal message. God does not care about literal signs he cares about the realm of the spirit within us. You want to understand the moon, the stars the sun them look at what God’s Word is declares not the carnal religious literal mind.

abomination of desolation Is spiritual not literal (carnal religious mind in God’s temple within us.

Joel 2 shows us the reason that the great tribulation is cut short. It describes the Northern (gog) armies invading Israel as the sun/moon darken/stars fall

Sun (Son

Moon (moon reflects light/religious realm)
Stars (Churches look at the symbolism in Revelation) seven stars

Hosea 6 tells us that Israel's desolation lasts 2000 years

What follows is the 7th seal, including the trumpets, antichrist, and bowls - all of which is the wrath of God which the church is not appointed to suffer.

WRONG. Why would the world suffer? They were never called so they cannot come; the wrath of God is the wrath of lamb

Each one of these symbolisms here has a deep and far more reaching example then you quoting a verse, all you are presenting us with is the letter that killeth.[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']What is the trumpets of God?

Anti Christ: there are many anti Christ not one.

God’s Word is speaking to the Church, the world or carnal man cannot hear the message for it is spiritual in nature; so no this message is to us not them.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International)

14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

 

[Ed Bana]

I choose other. It is being fullfilled with in us. That is where Christ dwells with in.

 

[BarryK]

I voted that it is all fufilled,
remember that God is outside of time, He is not affected by it at all

dont forget that Yeshuah was crucified before Father said "Let there be Light"

Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[trialbyfire]

The message of Matthew 24 is a spiritual message not a literal message. God does not care about literal signs he cares about the realm of the spirit within us. You want to understand the moon, the stars the sun them look at what God’s Word is declares not the carnal religious literal mind.

abomination of desolation Is spiritual not literal (carnal religious mind in God’s temple within us.



Sun (Son

Moon (moon reflects light/religious realm)
Stars (Churches look at the symbolism in Revelation) seven stars

The Roman armies actually, physically surrounded Israel and desolated them until the time of the end.

There have been actual wars, famines, pestilences, persecution and martyrdom since then.

None of that is Spiritual but actually physical - happened in the physical, earthly realm.

WRONG. Why would the world suffer? They were never called so they cannot come; the wrath of God is the wrath of lamb

Each one of these symbolisms here has a deep and far more reaching example then you quoting a verse, all you are presenting us with is the letter that killeth.[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Anti Christ: there are many anti Christ not one.[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']God’s Word is speaking to the Church, the world or carnal man cannot hear the message for it is spiritual in nature; so no this message is to us not them. [/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International)

14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

During the time of wrath after the great tribulation is cut short, Jesus uses the antichrist to force people to choose for eternity whom they will serve. That is the purpose.

God could've ended everything at any given moment in time at His will. Instead, he has layed everything out on a timeline, giving every single person of the age of reason to choose whom they will serve.

When everyone has made that choice, Jesus comes on the clouds to destroy those who chose poorly.

 

[trialbyfire]

I voted that it is all fufilled,
remember that God is outside of time, He is not affected by it at all

dont forget that Yeshuah was crucified before Father said "Let there be Light"

Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

...which means that God knows the end from the beginning. It doesn't mean that we are "outside of time" but are subject to it.

Isa 46:10I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

 

[BarryK]

...which means that God knows the end from the beginning. It doesn't mean that we are "outside of time" but are subject to it.

Isa 46:10I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

i agree,we are indeed inside of time, and God is both inside and outside.
as far as Father is concerned, its a done deal