How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[Gregory Thompson]

When do ya think he will do that? [considering that was written about 1500- 2000 yrs ago ]

In Yoda voice:

One stone .. many ripples in same pond .

 

[visionary]

How do you as a preterist take what I understand you use to show fulfillment when the Lord when on earth said it is future.. Titus destroyed the Temple, but never sacrificed anything on the altar. That was Antiochus Epiphanes over 100 years before Christ that sacrificed a sow on the altar. Yeshua said the abomonation spoken by Daniel was future

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Perhaps the temple being spoken of is Jesus?

John 2:21
But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How do you as a preterist take what I understand you use to show fulfillment when the Lord when on earth said it is future.. Titus destroyed the Temple, but never sacrificed anything on the altar. That was Antiochus Epiphanes over 100 years before Christ that sacrificed a sow on the altar. Yeshua said the abomonation spoken by Daniel was future

Josephus describes some pretty "weird" stuff happening prior to the ad70 prophecied destruction of Jerusalem


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

3. "As the High Priest were leading a heifer to the altar to be sacrificed, she brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple."
Such is the strange account given by the historian. Some may regard it as a "Grecian fable," while others may think that they discern in this prodigy a miraculous rebuke of Jewish infidelity and impiety, for rejecting the ANTITYPICAL Lamb, who had offered Up Himself as an atonement, ...............

This might interest some here concerning Maccabees

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

The book then relates the second century desecration of the Temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, his insults against all gods and all religions. (This took place in the middle of the 2nd century B.C.E., and is the subject of the non-canonical books of Maccabees.)

 

[SummaScriptura]

How do you as a preterist take what I understand you use to show fulfillment when the Lord when on earth said it is future.. Titus destroyed the Temple, but never sacrificed anything on the altar. That was Antiochus Epiphanes over 100 years before Christ that sacrificed a sow on the altar. Yeshua said the abomonation spoken by Daniel was future

Exactly.

The Jews of Jesus' own day were calling the desecration of the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes in 167 BC, a "desolating sacriledge" or "abomination causing desolation". Jesus is saying there would be a repeat of that in Israel's future. That has never yet occurred.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Exactly.

The Jews of Jesus' own day were calling the desecration of the temple by A.E. in 167 BC, a "desolating sacriledge" or "abomination causing desolation". Jesus is saying there would be a repeat of that in Israel's future. That has never yet occurred.

But, do the apostate Jews of today understand that

 

[SummaScriptura]

Perhaps the temple being spoken of is Jesus?

John 2:21
But the temple he had spoken of was his body.<snip>

Wha!?! Jesus body was going to have a pig sacrificed upon it?!!?!? :o

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Wha!?! Jesus body was going to have a pig sacrificed upon it?!!?!? :o

Typical zionist hyper-futurist response

 

[SummaScriptura]

But, do the apostate Jews of today understand that

And how would the answer to that question, one way or the other, help us better exegete this passage from Matthew 24?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

btw summa.....I noticed you voted partially fulfilled.
How much of Matthew 24 do view as fulfilled and how much of it still future?

 

[SummaScriptura]

btw summa.....I noticed you voted partially fulfilled.
How much of Matthew 24 do view as fulfilled and how much of it still future?

Matthew 24:1-2.

Any study of Matthew 24 in a vacuum divorced from Luke 21 will lead one to erroneous conclusions. Three questions are asked of Christ at the outset of the Olivet Discourse, (which, by the way, Matthew 25 is also a part), but the answers to the three questions are not all found in Matthew 24. The disciples ask, "when will these things be"? Namely, when will the temple be destroyed per Christ's prophecy in verse 2... The answer to this question is found in Luke 21. There is much more in Luke 21 than in Matthew 24, that is of a fulfilled nature.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 24:1-2.

Any study of Matthew 24 in a vacuum divorced from Luke 21 will lead one to erroneous conclusions. The answer to this question is found in Luke 21. There is much more in Luke 21 than in Matthew 24, that is of a fulfilled nature.

Interesting!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?


Matt 24:3....and what? the Sign...
Mark 13:4....and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7....and what? the Sign...

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Wha!?! Jesus body was going to have a pig sacrificed upon it?!!?!? :o

Hm? what do you mean?

Isaiah 66:3-4
3 But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck;
whoever makes a grain offering
is like one who presents pig’s blood,
and whoever burns memorial incense
is like one who worships an idol.
They have chosen their own ways,
and they delight in their abominations;
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them
and will bring on them what they dread.
For when I called, no one answered,
when I spoke, no one listened.
They did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”

Sacrifices are over . once for all .

 

[visionary]

Hm? what do you mean?

Isaiah 66:3-4
3 But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck;
whoever makes a grain offering
is like one who presents pig’s blood,
and whoever burns memorial incense
is like one who worships an idol.
They have chosen their own ways,
and they delight in their abominations;
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them
and will bring on them what they dread.
For when I called, no one answered,
when I spoke, no one listened.
They did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”

Sacrifices are over . once for all .

Isaiah 66:17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one (deciever) who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the
one they follow,” declares YHVH."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Isaiah 66:17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one (deciever) who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the
one they follow,” declares YHVH."

Acts 10:15
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 

[visionary]

Acts 10:15
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

There is no relationship between these two verses unless you think cannibalism is advocated via the Acts scripture you quoted. Peter saw it as it now being ok to associate with gentiles.

 

[SummaScriptura]

I have to say the hermeneutical methods of ALL of you guys are all over the map! There is no way this conversation (if indeed it can be properly called that) can move in a forward direction until you all can declare and agree upon your hermeneutics. I might as well augur chicken guts as dicipher what you guys are trying to say.

You post a verse and that is a valid response? Oh!! Gee!!! I never read that verse before!!! I'm converted!!!! No. In fact we've all read all those verses before and did not walk away with your understanding, whatever that is! I do not read minds. You will have to explain yourself more.

I am sorry, I don't practice augury, nor do I read minds; once I can bring myself to do one or both of those things I'll be back to join in the fray! Until then...

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[LittleLambofJesus]

I have to say the hermeneutical methods of ALL of you guys are all over the map! There is no way this conversation (if indeed it can be properly called that) can move in a forward direction until you all can declare and agree upon your hermeneutics. I might as well augur chicken guts as dicipher what you guys are trying to say.

I am sorry, I don't practice augury, nor do I read minds; once I can bring myself to do one or both of those things I'll be back to join in the fray! Until then...

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Yeah.....I share yer pain bro

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509952/#post56024436
Israel worship, and America

 

[Evergreen48]

I have to say the hermeneutical methods of ALL of you guys are all over the map! There is no way this conversation (if indeed it can be properly called that) can move in a forward direction until you all can declare and agree upon your hermeneutics. I might as well augur chicken guts as dicipher what you guys are trying to say.

You post a verse and that is a valid response? Oh!! Gee!!! I never read that verse before!!! I'm converted!!!! No. In fact we've all read all those verses before and did not walk away with your understanding, whatever that is! I do not read minds. You will have to explain yourself more.

I am sorry, I don't practice augury, nor do I read minds; once I can bring myself to do one or both of those things I'll be back to join in the fray! Until then...

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I dare 'ya to come over to the "Preterist" thread and say that. he he he

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I dare 'ya to come over to the "Preterist" thread and say that. he he he

I can hear the views of Partial Preterism/Futurism on the Eschatology board....

This thread here however is the one I like the most on the UO board

http://www.christianforums.com/t2367396/
Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?