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How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

Amount of Matt 24 fulfilled

  • I view all of it fulfilled

  • I view it as mostly/partially fulfilled

  • I view it as none of it is fulfilled

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Yeah, and I don't think when Jesus returns he going to ask for his denarius back either! {Sheesh! :doh:}
:)

John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him.
And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of Us and the Place and the Nation
[Reve 6:6/14:8]

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys/kriqhV <2915> a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

1220. denarion day-nar'-ee-on of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

*snip*

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........
 
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Ok, I haven't read every post, but so far from what I have read, I do not see where this has been mentioned or brought up, however if it has, please forgive me.

First, I will preface by saying this. Literary context should be our general rule. We should read the Gospel as if we were living in the first century, not as if the Bible just fell out of the sky yesterday and we are trying to interpret it's passages. The first century church would know and understand the words of Christ and also Revelation with no quandry that we are today in. To many times we forget that there actually was a church that lived and existed long before us. The Bible was not written to us, but for us. That changes the way we should read and interpret the passages within.

Now back to context...

I love the discussions about Matt. 24, however I rarely hear anyone talk about Matthew 23.
34 "Therefore , behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes ; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling . 38 "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate ! 39 "For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD !

Vs. 36, Christ is talking to a very specific group of Jewish leaders and tells them that because of their sins, they will see their house (the Temple) desolate. And Christ uses the very same literary language and tells them that their very own Generation will see their house left Desolate. Now that we have this we can move to Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse.

1 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things ? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down." 3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately , saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age ?"

Now, one thing that has led to poor interpretation is that 2000 years later, we devised the Chapter and Verse disection of scripture. Is some ways, I think people unintentionally seperate context, just because a passage maybe seperated by chapter or by verse. And I believe that Matthew 23 & 24 suffer because of this.

But as we read Matthew 24, it's just a continuation of what JUST happened with the pharisees. Christ just told them that their house, the Temple, will be left desolate and as they are leaving he points out that the Temple will be destroyed. Of course, the Temple, being the Holiest icon to the Jews, causes the Disciples to wonder, WHEN.

And Christ, using OT metaphor and allegory, tells them and then uses the same literary language when he says, "This Generation". So not only does he tell the pharisees "this generation", but also, his own disciples.

There is not literary reason to try and change the words of Christ to mean anything but that Current generation. We can try to change it, but we are adding to the words and meaning of Christ. Jesus was speaking to a very literal group of people, and If I were to hear those words spoken that very day, I would take them to mean exactly what Christ said, nothing more and nothing less.

Christ in Matthew 23 AND 24, is talking about the coming judgement and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple which will Fullfill and end the Old covenant and usher in the New.

But because we want scripture to be written to us and only us, do we fail to realize that their is a deep rich history to scripture that we fail to recognize. Because of this, we then try and mold scripture to mean what we want it to say, rather than allowing scripture to say what it so easily already does.
 
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Ok, I haven't read every post, but so far from what I have read, I do not see where this has been mentioned or brought up, however if it has, please forgive me.

First, I will preface by saying this. Literary context should be our general rule. We should read the Gospel as if we were living in the first century, not as if the Bible just fell out of the sky yesterday and we are trying to interpret it's passages. The first century church would know and understand the words of Christ and also Revelation with no quandry that we are today in. To many times we forget that there actually was a church that lived and existed long before us. The Bible was not written to us, but for us. That changes the way we should read and interpret the passages within.

Now back to context...

I love the discussions about Matt. 24, however I rarely hear anyone talk about Matthew 23.


Vs. 36, Christ is talking to a very specific group of Jewish leaders and tells them that because of their sins, they will see their house (the Temple) desolate. And Christ uses the very came literary language and tells them that their very own Generation will see their house left Desolate. Now that we have this we can move to Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse.



Now, one thing that has led to poor interpretation is that 2000 years later, we devised the Chapter and Verse disection of scripture. Is some ways, I think people unintentionally seperate context, just because a passage maybe seperated by chapter or by verse. And I believe that Matthew 23 & 24 suffer because of this.

But as we read Matthew 24, it's just a continuation of what JUST happened with the pharisees. Christ just told them that their house, the Temple, will be left desolate and as they are leaving he points out that the Temple will be destroyed. Of course, the Temple, being the Holiest icon to the Jews, causes the Disciples to wonder, WHEN.

And Christ, using OT metaphor and allegory, tells them and then uses the same literary language when he says, "This Generation". So not only does he tell the pharisees "this generation", but also, his own disciples.

There is not literary reason to try and change the words of Christ to mean anything but that Current generation. We can try to change it, but we are adding to the words and meaning of Christ. Jesus was speaking to a very literal group of people, and If I were to hear those words spoken that very day, I would take them to mean exactly what Christ said, nothing more and nothing less.

Christ in Matthew 23 AND 24, is talking about the coming judgement and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple which will Fullfill and end the Old covenant and usher in the New.

But because we want scripture to be written to us and only us, do we fail to realize that their is a deep rich history to scripture that we fail to recognize. Because of this, we then try and mold scripture to mean what we want it to say, rather than allowing scripture to say what it so easily already does.

:amen:
Great post!
 
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Ok, I haven't read every post, but so far from what I have read, I do not see where this has been mentioned or brought up, however if it has, please forgive me.
Great post.
Thank you for that and your vote :wave:
 
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Ok, I haven't read every post, but so far from what I have read, I do not see where this has been mentioned or brought up, however if it has, please forgive me.

First, I will preface by saying this. Literary context should be our general rule. We should read the Gospel as if we were living in the first century, not as if the Bible just fell out of the sky yesterday and we are trying to interpret it's passages. The first century church would know and understand the words of Christ and also Revelation with no quandry that we are today in. To many times we forget that there actually was a church that lived and existed long before us. The Bible was not written to us, but for us. That changes the way we should read and interpret the passages within.

Now back to context...

I love the discussions about Matt. 24, however I rarely hear anyone talk about Matthew 23.


Vs. 36, Christ is talking to a very specific group of Jewish leaders and tells them that because of their sins, they will see their house (the Temple) desolate. And Christ uses the very same literary language and tells them that their very own Generation will see their house left Desolate. Now that we have this we can move to Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse.



Now, one thing that has led to poor interpretation is that 2000 years later, we devised the Chapter and Verse disection of scripture. Is some ways, I think people unintentionally seperate context, just because a passage maybe seperated by chapter or by verse. And I believe that Matthew 23 & 24 suffer because of this.

But as we read Matthew 24, it's just a continuation of what JUST happened with the pharisees. Christ just told them that their house, the Temple, will be left desolate and as they are leaving he points out that the Temple will be destroyed. Of course, the Temple, being the Holiest icon to the Jews, causes the Disciples to wonder, WHEN.

And Christ, using OT metaphor and allegory, tells them and then uses the same literary language when he says, "This Generation". So not only does he tell the pharisees "this generation", but also, his own disciples.

There is not literary reason to try and change the words of Christ to mean anything but that Current generation. We can try to change it, but we are adding to the words and meaning of Christ. Jesus was speaking to a very literal group of people, and If I were to hear those words spoken that very day, I would take them to mean exactly what Christ said, nothing more and nothing less.

Christ in Matthew 23 AND 24, is talking about the coming judgement and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple which will Fullfill and end the Old covenant and usher in the New.

But because we want scripture to be written to us and only us, do we fail to realize that their is a deep rich history to scripture that we fail to recognize. Because of this, we then try and mold scripture to mean what we want it to say, rather than allowing scripture to say what it so easily already does.


Hmm, I never thought of it that way before. Thanks for your well thought out input.
 
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John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him.
And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of Us and the Place and the Nation
[Reve 6:6/14:8]

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys/kriqhV <2915> a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

1220. denarion day-nar'-ee-on of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

*snip*

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........

All of that nonsense you have in your signature murders the web browser on my handheld device. :(

I wish you could tone it down just a titch since I wouldn't mind reading your posts.
 
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All of that nonsense you have in your signature murders the web browser on my handheld device. :(

I wish you could tone it down just a titch since I wouldn't mind reading your posts.
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Sorry you are having problems with it, but I do change links in my siggy fairly often, but not the "pics".
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All of that nonsense you have in your signature murders the web browser on my handheld device. :(

I wish you could tone it down just a titch since I wouldn't mind reading your posts.
You can turn off signatures alltogether in your customisable options ;)

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I believe that Matthew 24 is fufilled in its entireity. believe that the whole bible, each and eery single prophecy is fufilled in its entireity ALLREADY!!!
dont forget that God lives OUTSIDE of time. (one proof of this is Revelatin 13:8 for example) What He has said, IS.
We, however are stuck inside of this "fishbowl" of time and dont see things the same way.
God invented time, He owns it, He is outside of it. he is not influenced by it or affected by it in any way, shape or form.

(I know that this is somewhat remiscient of Dr. Who, but then again, who are we, after all we are the onse stuck inside the fishbowl)

Matthew 24 has been fufilled in ites entireity, we just dont know it yet
 
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excellent post and excellent approach to scripture. I've done a lot of study on the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The prophecies clearly fit in with verifiable history.

But I think there is a further fulfillment of this prophecy. Many other prophecies had more than one fulfillment.
example: in Acts 2:16-21, Peter showed that Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled in front of them. It was pentecost, and Christian Men and women of all ages were speaking in tongues--something shocking to Jewish religion at that time. Yet, close examination of Joel's prophecy (especially 3:1) shows that the original fulfillment was when the Persian king Cyrus allowed the Jews to go back to their homeland.

My point: Mt. 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD, but will also be fulfilled in the future.

proof: parts of mt. 24 were not fullfilled in the first Century: the powers of the heavens being shaken, the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and "all tribes of the earth" lamenting, and the gathering of His people from all extremities. (v.29-31)

Also, Rev.6 , which was written AFTER Jerusalem's destruction, shows horsemen representing famine, war, death, and plague--obvious references to Jesus' prediction of the last days. 2 tim. 3:1-5, also written later, talks about perilous times in the last days. 2 Pet.3 also refers to the end.

Also, common sense can help (since God made our brains). WHY did God destroy the Jewish system? Was it not because of disobedience and rebellion? WHY did the flood destroy the whole world of that time? So logically, God will not allow this present wicked and rebellious world to ruin His earth. He will take back control. All other destructions were miniature examples of what will happen soon. this is HIS earth, and he will take it back and put His Son Jesus in charge of it. Dan. 2:44 "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin... it will crush and put an end to those kingdoms, and it itself will stand forever"
 
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It was pentecost, and Christian Men and women of all ages were speaking in tongues--something shocking to Jewish religion at that time.
Historical setting in which this event occured was in the midst of the Jews.. and the pentecost experience occurred to those who had direct 3 1/2 minister under the Lord Himself.. so in this sense "Christians" who were not then known by that name but by the name of either "Nazerenes" or keepers of the "Way" were all Jews.
 
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I wish also that there would be more interaction on this issue. Like the thread in Eschatology about "this Generation"; this is a foundational issue between weather the NT is to be read as a new code of law and doctrine to be deciphered or as a narrative history of the fulfillments of the prophets and a fulfillment of the Everlasting Covenant of life to man and 'new' covenant to those under the old covenant law.

Shameless bump.

For those who didn't know, I voted all fulfilled.

BUMP for a topic that raises much questioning. I think this poster's tagline clarifies that a bit, but then what about the millennial reign and Christ's physical ascent to power?

If that's solely allegory isn't that saying we've given up hope?

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"
Luke 18:8
 
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Question please?

Is there no second coming (Jesus yet to come to Judge the world in Righteousness, rewarding each man according as he has done) according to this theology?

No Eternal reward? No crowns? No finish line?
Absolutely, our Lord will come.. God's ultimate goal of creating in us His Image will be fulfilled and eternally rewarded. Sin and those who still have sin indwelling will finally be removed and erraticated.:thumbsup:
 
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Absolutely, our Lord will come.. God's ultimate goal of creating in us His Image will be fulfilled and eternally rewarded. Sin and those who still have sin indwelling will finally be removed and erraticated.:thumbsup:
And?

As I'm looking for this perspective..

Are you an adherant to this theology?'
 
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Absolutely, our Lord will come.. God's ultimate goal of creating in us His Image will be fulfilled and eternally rewarded. Sin and those who still have sin indwelling will finally be removed and erraticated.:thumbsup:
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The way Revelation appears, they will be "removed/erraticated" twice.

Once at "armegeddon" and the other at the Gog-Magog war.

That has never made much sense to us Preterists. and one reason I view them as 1 and the same event.

I have a thread on it at this link for those interested :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7413416/
Armegeddon and Gog-Magog same event?

2 Peter 3:12 Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the Day of God, thru which heavens being fired shall be being dissolved and elements burning being melted..

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-assembling them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.

Reve 16:16 And he together-assembled/leads/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn

Reve 20:8 And he shall be coming out to deceive the Nations, the in the four corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog, together-assembling/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of which the Number as the Sand of the Sea. [Reve 16:14]
 
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The way Revelation appears, they will be "removed/erraticated" twice.

Once at "armegeddon" and the other at the Gog-Magog war.

That has never made much sense to us Preterists. and one reason I view them as 1 and the same event.

I have a thread on it at this link for those interested :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7413416/
Armegeddon and Gog-Magog same event?

2 Peter 3:12 Toward seeming/expecting and hastening the Parousia of the Day of God, thru which heavens being fired shall be being dissolved and elements burning being melted..

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-assembling them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.

Reve 16:16 And he together-assembled/leads/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn

Reve 20:8 And he shall be coming out to deceive the Nations, the in the four corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog, together-assembling/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of which the Number as the Sand of the Sea. [Reve 16:14]
You and I may not be far apart in thinking that Armaggedon and God and Magog might be the same event... I would like to clarify it by also saying that at the gathering for Armaggedon the Lord returns to gather His people, and when He returns after the 1000 years with His people, those who are part of Gog and Magog take up where they left off in the Armageddon thinking...some things never change.^_^
 
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