How long has man been created.

[praisejahupeople]

You're missing the point. The purpose of the Bible was not to be a historical document,

Apart from prophecies for our time,its most definately an accurate historical document.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This establishes that when Jehovah inspired moses to say he literally formed adam from clay and breathed life into him,that he actually meant he made single celled creatures and all life evolved that way?.Your interpretation doesnt match with any other part of the bible.

God does not HAVE to tell us when He's speaking literally, symbolically, metaphorically or through parables. When He speaks, the truth is given.

Thats true.Im not sure how this supports your theory that God didnt form man and woman.

It's important to step outside of the letter of the law and partake in the truth found through the spirit of the law. Christ understood this principle, many Pharisees did not. To authoritatively dictate that all scripture by default is a historical fact sets limits on your ability to fully understand the "truth" being taught and is presumptuous at best.

Contradictory.You dont seem to grasp the greater issues involved here.What else would you like to edit from Genesis.

 

[fwwid]

Apart from prophecies for our time,its most definately an accurate historical document.

I didn't say it wasn't a historical document. I said that the purpose of the Bible was not to be a historical document. There's a difference.

This establishes that when Jehovah inspired moses to say he literally formed adam from clay and breathed life into him,that he actually meant he made single celled creatures and all life evolved that way?.Your interpretation doesnt match with any other part of the bible.

God has traditionally used "simple means" to explain complex tenets.

Thats true.Im not sure how this supports your theory that God didnt form man and woman.

Haha, then you apparently don't understand my position.

Contradictory.You dont seem to grasp the greater issues involved here.What else would you like to edit from Genesis.[/QUOTE]

your word only.

 

[wayseer]

Archeological discoveries have been debunking that belief for a good many times over the years.

Have they? Exactly which piece of 'historical evidence' do archaeologists claim they support?

There may well be SOME archaeological evidence. To suggest that archaeologists support the Bible is a catch all phrase that could mean anything. Quite simple archaeologists have debunked quite a bit of the Bible as a historical document.

The Bible does contain historical fact

Which particular fact? It can't even get the place where Jesus was born right.

 

[GenemZ]

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Being as you are the self-appointed arbiter of Biblical interpretation and those things that stand in need for correction, you must also know then what portion of scripture should be interpreted literally versus those which should be interpreted figuratively. Man, did your pastor go to MIT or something?

What do you mean? Did you mean, literally go to MIT?

 

[fwwid]

What do you mean? Did you mean, literally go to MIT?

Good one

 

[praisejahupeople]

I didn't say it wasn't a historical document. I said that the purpose of the Bible was not to be a historical document. There's a difference.

Its an accurate historical document.Great ,we agree.

God has traditionally used "simple means" to explain complex tenets.

You need to be able to back up your theories with cross referencing.A simple scripture like God created the heavens is continuously mentioned throughout the bible.Same with Adam being made by God directly.You dont use the bible to back up your position.Therefore its not a biblical position you are trying to introduce.Its a man made philosophy.

Haha, then you apparently don't understand my position.

theism and evolution,with a large dose of reinterpretation of scripture.

What else would you like to edit from Genesis?

 

[fwwid]

Its an accurate historical document.Great ,we agree.



You need to be able to back up your theories with cross referencing.A simple scripture like God created the heavens is continuously mentioned throughout the bible.Same with Adam being made by God directly.You dont use the bible to back up your position.Therefore its not a biblical position you are trying to introduce.Its a man made philosophy.


theism and evolution,with a large dose of reinterpretation of scripture.

What else would you like to edit from Genesis?

haha, wow, apparently I've struck a chord or something. May I suggest some atenolol before you hit the sack tonight? I've actually sited plenty of scripture in my posts - more then many on this site. Your interpretation of Genesis is an "edit".

 

[praisejahupeople]

haha, wow, apparently I've struck a chord or something.
May I suggest some atenolol before you hit the sack tonight?

I have no idea what that is.

I've actually sited plenty of scripture in my posts - more then many on this site.

Usually out of context to whats being discussed.

Your interpretation of Genesis is an "edit".

I believe what Jehovah says is true.

 

[fwwid]

I have no idea what that is.

That's right, pharmaceutics is a branch of science. Should have known.

Usually out of context to whats being discussed.

You would know right? After all, you are member of the "your word only" clan.

I believe what Jehovah says is true.

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[mpok1519]

Strange assertion.Might want to look up Louis Pasteur again.

Indeed,looks like they are trying to replicate intelligent design.

Way way more to it than that.I love how abiogenesis believers try to make the creation of life from chemicals seem so simple.

Oh, you have taken into account whats been said on this thread.

Hmmm maybe not.

In no way lessens or dilutes Gods power. You can throw around the word "billions" with seeming ease and accuracy when its an enormous number.However you could be right.
Im happy to say the earth is old.

just sayin genesis is a metaphor man.

wake up!

 

[praisejahupeople]

That's right, pharmaceutics is a branch of science. Should have known.

Yet has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

You would know right? After all, you are member of the "your word only" clan.

I recognise certain things due to bible knowledge. Just trying to glorify God.I dont take it personally if you dont agree.

 

[praisejahupeople]

just sayin genesis is a metaphor man.

wake up!

Ok.

 

[mpok1519]

ok.

 

[GenemZ]

God has traditionally used "simple means" to explain complex tenets.

That is why the idea of man evolving from a chimp can not be from God. For, God could have EASILY conveyed to the Jews that man came from a morphing chimp. Why hold back, then?


The Jews would have readily grasped such a notion back then. God, in his wisdom, would have saved the scientific knowledge of the mechanics for more advanced cultures to come later.


But? As usual. You really got God sweating on this one. I guess the next thing scholars will find in the Greek is that the CIA lied to God. That he should have not taken their intelligence report advice, and instead, admitted Adam came from a chimp. But, they told him the people could not grasp the idea at that time.

Yet, the Hindus believed we keep coming back in different lifeforms. Didn't they? It was easily grasped by more primitive men back then. They had no problem with such thinking.

But, for the Jews? Nah.. they could have never grasped such a notion back then. Even though their Bible in one of the first chapters says God transformed the serpent physically right before their eyes. That Balaam's donkey could be made to speak with a human voice. And, that king Nebuchadnezzar was cursed and transformed into the appearance of an animal for a period of time.

Nahhh... I guess you must be right. God had to lie to those limited thinking Jews, and tell them that Adam's body was formed from the elements of the earth instead.

Which so happens.. science did finally come along to discover many thousands of years later, that the human body consists of the very elements we do find in the earth. How did Moses know? Uwww wee! Imagine that! Moses got lucky!

And, you just did not.

Proverbs 22:10
"Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife;
quarrels and insults are ended."
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[DiligoImmortalus]

Surprisingly, many Christians have completely differing beliefs on the age of man. The 6000 year old estimate was officially decreed by the Catholic Church during the middle ages as one of their many now-proven-false dogmas. Many Christians still hold true to this idea, stating that science of carbon dating is false. Others believe God created the world with age. Still others believe that science is accurate, and that the geologies listed in the Bible are not literal, as in the ancestry of Jesus from his 'father' Joseph, who was not related to him.

 

[JediMobius]

That is why the idea of man evolving from a chimp can not be from God. For, God could have EASILY conveyed to the Jews that man came from a morphing chimp. Why hold back, then?

God didn't even have to be that specific. If it were true that man evolved from out of the animal kingdom, why doesn't the text say man was formed out of the beasts of the earth instead of out of the dust (that was moistened by the mist that rose). Note also that man was 'formed' while the animals were all simply created.

 

[mpok1519]

God could have easily smote evil from the earth; God could have never created disease death or pain and suffering.

lol

Its almost as if people think God's actions honestly make sense, when in reality, theres no rhyme or reason to any of it at times.

God could have done many many things 'easily' (I am assuming by easily, its meant to show God's omnipotence) but it seems like God chooses the path less traveled.

Theres no Biblical proof that corresponds with scientific proof to illustrate young earth, or young humanity.

Biblical scripture will not tell you the age of a mountain, or the name of a plant. The Bible is not the authority on science.

 

[richterforest]

God could have easily smote evil from the earth; God could have never created disease death or pain and suffering.

lol

Its almost as if people think God's actions honestly make sense, when in reality, theres no rhyme or reason to any of it at times.

God could have done many many things 'easily' (I am assuming by easily, its meant to show God's omnipotence) but it seems like God chooses the path less traveled.

Theres no Biblical proof that corresponds with scientific proof to illustrate young earth, or young humanity.

Biblical scripture will not tell you the age of a mountain, or the name of a plant. The Bible is not the authority on science.

I sometimes wonder if people on these forums with icons in their description saying they are Christian really are? Or if they put the icons there in the hopes to lead those seeking answers away from the Bible, so that they can pollute their minds with ideas that are clearly not of Christian or Judeo thinking.
One person in general says he is a Christian but in fact also pointed out in one post he was a Buddhist monk, and when I sent him a private message he said he had decided to be Christian again, lol! Guess he decided on that so he could make anti-bibilical posts and pretend to be an enlightened Christian.
So just because someone says the believe in "God" it doesnt mean they are a Christian.


I only point this out because your earlier posts even doubted man had a soul since science couldnt prove it. Makes me think you trust your science more than God, makes me think you dont actually believe you are a Christian.
Science cant prove sin, cant prove that we need a savior from sin, cant prove that heaven exists, cant prove that angels exist, cant prove that God exists. But then again it cant prove they dont exist either.

 

[praisejahupeople]

God could have easily smote evil from the earth;

No doubt he could of just swept everything away and started again when he was challenged by satan. Like a mafia boss.However the question of who was right would of remained unanswered.

God could have never created disease death or pain and suffering

Jehovah didnt create those things,they are a result of disobedience and believing satan.He did warn adam that this would happen.

Its almost as if people think God's actions honestly make sense, when in reality, theres no rhyme or reason to any of it at times.

It makes sense if you believe 6000 years of humanity generally following the wrong path justifies that God is right.This period of time is very tiny compared to eternity.

God could have done many many things 'easily' (I am assuming by easily, its meant to show God's omnipotence) but it seems like God chooses the path less traveled.

Dont presume you know best.Patience is a virtue.

Theres no Biblical proof that corresponds with scientific proof to illustrate young earth, or young humanity.

The ancient israelites were meticulous with their geneology.

The Bible is not the authority on science.

Translation=i dont think God really exists due to the influences of my professors ideology.Its eroded my faith.

 

[mpok1519]

No doubt he could of just swept everything away and started again when he was challenged by satan. Like a mafia boss.However the question of who was right would of remained unanswered.

Human concepts like right and wrong mean nothing to an allmighty an omnipotent God.

Jehovah didnt create those things,they are a result of disobedience and believing satan.He did warn adam that this would happen.

Yes, God did. God said "If you eat from that tree, you will die." Death was a concept well in the making; death pain and suffering were things God created long ago. If death didn't exist, then how could Adam have known what death was to warn Eve? If death didn't exist, then how could the Snake trick Eve into thinking that death was just a fairy tale (much like Genesis itself). See, you can't say man created these things, because these concepts were already made before man was made. God being all knowing and all seeing knew exactly what was going to happen in that garden; He predicted man's fall, and infact, He orchestrated it. (of course, its a metaphor, so no, dont believe that either)

It makes sense if you believe 6000 years of humanity generally following the wrong path justifies that God is right.This period of time is very tiny compared to eternity.

and your point being?

Dont presume you know best.Patience is a virtue.

So as long as you don't presume you know whats best and right also, and stop trying to tell people adam and eve were real, talking snakes existed, etc, etc, etc. These are things oyu tell to children to scare them into obedience; I, however, am not that unintellegent, and for grown men and women trying to tell me these lies as if they were facts irritates and irks me, because it makes me believe they are telling their own children lies, and telling other children lies of the same calibur. Remember that part in the Bible saying the devil is the ultimate deciever and father of lies? Well, from what I can tell, the creationists have fell hook line and sinker for those lies.

Translation=i dont think God really exists due to the influences of my professors ideology.Its eroded my faith.

influence of professors? ....you mean, research, data, information, evidence based upon scientific methodology and observation? You're quite wrong when you say professors have eroded my faith; my faith has only become stronger in its resolve due to my ability to learn and grow mentally, instead of staying the same mental age my whole life because God told me to.

Since when did I say that science eroded my faith? Obviously you cant translate english into english; how do you presume to know what the Bible is sayng throughout the hundreds of generations and interpretations if you're miscontruing this simple conversation in contemporary english?