How I know there is no God

[Crujir]

Grachius should have provided more direct evidence for his claims. They're just speculation. Even.. hehe, even those who believe in the Big Bang would argue that something happened to create what we see here. I don't think it's true, myself (unless God had some hand in it and that was the way he did it) but still. Mere speculation. I appreciate his opinions, though.
*cracks knuckles*
Bring it on. I dare ya. LOL, jk.
And yah, you can't force someone to believe. Otherwise, you're no better than that guy in North Korea. He has everyone worship him, and the sad part (as in sorrow, not "i think they're dumb") is they actually believe he's divine. Well, a lot of them, anyways.
But all you can do is try, right?

Absolutely. Once we do our part, their blood is not on their hands if they choose not to accept the truth.

Personally I can say there is probably enough evidence for the Big Bang, but once again, source of energy?

God is a spirit; we cannot assume He is a physical being (A creation, as we are) otherwise the whole concept doesn't even make sense. God being the creator of all things, He CANNOT be a creation.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Absolutely. Once we do our part, their blood is not on their hands if they choose not to accept the truth.

Personally I can say there is probably enough evidence for the Big Bang, but once again, source of energy?

God is a spirit; we cannot assume He is a physical being (A creation, as we are) otherwise the whole concept doesn't even make sense. God being the creator of all things, He CANNOT be a creation.

But he can choose to be in a physical form, i.e. Jesus. 100% man, 100% God. And by blood, I'm assuming you mean metaphorically. After all, God gave us free will, right? It wouldn't be right if that was suppressed. It's their choice, for right or wrong. As in any situation for any human being on earth.

 

[Crujir]

But he can choose to be in a physical form, i.e. Jesus. 100% man, 100% God. And by blood, I'm assuming you mean metaphorically. After all, God gave us free will, right? It wouldn't be right if that was suppressed. It's their choice, for right or wrong. As in any situation for any human being on earth.

Right. He did come in the likeness of sinful flesh, but doing no sin. "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God, and the Word became flesh..."

And truly; their blood is not on our hands. On that day of judgment, I will hear "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." I will serve God no matter what, because I want to hear those words. Those who did not listen to the voice of God will be turned away and left to die eternally... We DO have free will, and that is why they cannot enter Heaven if they do not adhere to the voice of God; they CHOSE not to.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Yes... just remember not to let it go to your head. Don't get that holier-than-thou attitude, if you can help it. Remember, you are not better than them, not really. You just know Christ.
(same goes to me, but I don't have a lot to be proud of. Actually... nothing, as far as accomplishments go. One could say this forum is my only ministry. But that's a discussion for another time)

On the whole, I am enjoying the debate. I always have fun with these things. But I just have to remember not to do anything to hurt someone's feelings, of course. There is something called "getting carried away".

 

[Crujir]

Yes... just remember not to let it go to your head. Don't get that holier-than-thou attitude, if you can help it. Remember, you are not better than them, not really. You just know Christ.
(same goes to me, but I don't have a lot to be proud of. Actually... nothing, as far as accomplishments go. One could say this forum is my only ministry. But that's a discussion for another time)

On the whole, I am enjoying the debate. I always have fun with these things. But I just have to remember not to do anything to hurt someone's feelings, of course. There is something called "getting carried away".

I know I am not "holier than thou," but I AM very confident in my faith and I know where I am going, no matter how much I screw up (Which, believe me, I DO) When it comes to standing up for God, its time to start being bold; the end days are here. The mark of the beast and all these things that the book of Revelations talks about are going to hit like a Mack Truck, and if we aren't ready to stand for God in the face of all judgment when it happens, then may His mercy extend farther than we already know we don't know.

God has brought me to a point that, if I am following the Spirit, I don't care who I irritate or offend; I'm serving God, and I will do what HE wants regardless, because that lays my treasure in Heaven. That is greater than any "hurt feeling" someone is going to have; if they accept Christ, and really start living for God, do you REALLY think they are going to care how offended they were when they didn't believe?

Thank you my brother, for being concerned

 

[NavyGuy7]

Well, I'm just saying, don't be blunt all the time. Sometimes people mistake boldness for arrogance/holier-than-thou attitudes. Sometimes. Besides, as long as you aren't trying to offend them , then I guess all is well.
And just to clarify, I wasn't accusing you of anything. Merely warning.

 

[Crujir]

I know you were not accusing and I thank you for saying something. It is probably God's way of keeping me in check, to make sure I do not start operating in pride instead of the Spirit.

The word of God says homosexuality is wrong. If we read the scriptures that say that, more than likely, if a homosexual hears it, he is going to get offended. But if we are sitting there being worried about how they feel about it, then we are not going to be able to minister to the full potential that God wants us to, and we will never get the truth across.

The reason they get offended is because they don't like to be wrong. That is why the deny God; they want to justify where they are at because the word of God sheds light on all things. Jesus came to bring the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Free from what? Your past; sin and bondage. But the word of God says that the Light came into the world and the darkness hated the Light, because the Light exposed what was under the darkness; it exposed the truth. They are afraid to step into the light and show themselves for who they really are, so they hide behind their masks of atheism or whatever.

Outside of that door will be weeping and gnashing of teeth... I really do care for these people, and that is why I am not afraid of offending them. What father does not discipline his child, and what child does not hate his father now and then for disciplining him? The father disciplined his child and shed on him the truth because he LOVES him, and cares for him.

Jesus came to replace the law of death with the law of the Spirit. This is because the Old law was weak in the flesh. How was it weak? The very things we are told not to do, we want to do, and usually do. The simple fact is that we CANNOT live up to the standards of the Ten Commandments. A perfect example: When you were a kid, Dad said "Don't touch the burner." Being the curious, disobedient child you were, what did you do? You touched the burner. What did you learn? It hurt. Adam and Eve did the same thing. God said "don't eat of the ONE TREE." And of course, like humans, they did. This is why Jesus came; we cannot live up to it in our natural rebellious nature, so the Old law was fulfilled in us THROUGH Him, praise God.

But many people are too ashamed of themselves to step into that light, because their conscience convicts them. They don't want to be wrong, so they justify it by twisting the Bible or saying God does not exist. I will speak the truth no matter what comes my way, and no matter who I offend, because I am serving my GOD, and my treasure is in Heaven.

God is taking away my spirit of fear; I can tell you all of my wrongdoings. I cheated on my wife twice. I was military oriented, so I was very violent, prideful and hateful, and was willing to harm a man at any given moment to defend my image. But why was I defending my image? Because I felt dirty inside, and wanted to hide it. That is what the person hiding in the darkness (like a mask of atheism) will do; try to distract you by going off on a tangent, tell you to shut up, or beat you up to get you to shut up. Whatever happens, once their conscience convicts them, they don't want to be wrong, so they will do anything to hide or justify it. To this day, I praise God for sending Jesus to fulfill the law so that I can still have a chance to go to Heaven, and I praise Him for giving me a forgiving wife. She made the forgiveness of Christ tangible to me... It was amazing, and is one of my favorite testimonies. I won't get into it right now

Every time we speak the truth, they don't like it because the word of God says they are wrong. The only justification they have is to twist the Bible or deny the truth. Which they tend to do both of. Nothing we can do personally can change them; they have to soften their hearts and let God in, otherwise they will never receive. It is our job to introduce them to God, and when we walk away, we leave them dealing with their conscience and their own personal problems; we have done our part.

 

[phsyxx]

It is literally true. I need no justification, unlike you, because I serve a MIGHTY GOD, and His word far surpasses any knowledge you think you have.

Can you say Jesus is Lord?

Yes, but only in English.

 

[Crujir]

Yes, but only in English.

Only in English? How is that relevant?

And if you truly CAN say it, then I pray God will continue working on your heart. He is ready to receive you, if you are ready to receive Him. Let your conscience work it out... Say it out loud to yourself a few times.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It is literally true. I need no justification, unlike you, because I serve a MIGHTY GOD, and His word far surpasses any knowledge you think you have.

You made a claim. If you want to be taken seriously and not be seen as a loon, you might want to justify your claims.
Special pleading is not such justification.

Can you say Jesus is Lord?

Yes. It's a four-syllabal, three-word simple sentance with certain religious overtones. Why, should I be incapable of saying it?

 

[phsyxx]

Only in English? How is that relevant?

And if you truly CAN say it, then I pray God will continue working on your heart. He is ready to receive you, if you are ready to receive Him. Let your conscience work it out... Say it out loud to yourself a few times.

yeah. He will. To be honest I was a member of my local parish until only 2 years ago.
I've just been a little wayward and questioning everything since.

 

[Crujir]

You made a claim. If you want to be taken seriously and not be seen as a loon, you might want to justify your claims.
Special pleading is not such justification.


Yes. It's a four-syllabal, three-word simple sentance with certain religious overtones. Why, should I be incapable of saying it?

I don't think you can say it. I think you are just trying to appear fancy and intimidate me with the way you talk.

I really don't care if you see me as a "loon." Because I serve God, my treasure will be in Heaven. I already told you I don't need to justify it; it proves itself. And anyone who can accept Christ because of what you may consider coming from me to be constant babble, I don't think they are going to care a year from now how offended they were or how stupid they thought I was when they didn't believe. My job is to save lives, regardless of what people think, because God first saved mine, and to love, because He first loved me.

What's your job?

 

[Crujir]

yeah. He will. To be honest I was a member of my local parish until only 2 years ago.
I've just been a little wayward and questioning everything since.

Dude, all of us get to that point of questioning; I sure did. God had to bring me to a place where He could witness to me what His love really is, and it changed my heart so dramatically it still atounds me to this day.

I'm not above or below you in any manner, especially when it comes to serving God, because I definitely screw up. Its part of life. Same goes for anyone; some of us try harder than others but that doesn't make us better or worse.

Just pray, and believe in that prayer. God will take care of the rest.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Crujir, let's get this straight. Anyone who can speak English can say "Jesus is Lord". I think the verse is meaning that you have to mean it with your heart, or something. Well, it does depend on what "confess" would mean, and if it has any other definitions.

 

[DailyBlessings]

Crujir, let's get this straight. Anyone who can speak English can say "Jesus is Lord". I think the verse is meaning that you have to mean it with your heart, or something. Well, it does depend on what "confess" would mean, and if it has any other definitions.

His definition of confession is definitely different than the traditional use of the word by my own denomination. Any man off the street can say a thing- only by the grace of God can he actually mean it.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Exactly, DB. That's what I meant to say. Good summing up for me. Sometimes I don't sum something up as well as another.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I don't think you can say it.

I could send you an audio file of me saying it, if you like.

I think you are just trying to appear fancy and intimidate me with the way you talk.

You are claiming that it is proof of the Bible that someone can say 'Jesus is Lord'. Forgive me for scratching my head at this.

I really don't care if you see me as a "loon." Because I serve God, my treasure will be in Heaven.

Assuming Heaven exists as described in the Bible, of course.

I already told you I don't need to justify it; it proves itself.

Except it doesn't. Otherwise I wouldn't be asking for justification, would I.

And anyone who can accept Christ because of what you may consider coming from me to be constant babble, I don't think they are going to care a year from now how offended they were or how stupid they thought I was when they didn't believe. My job is to save lives, regardless of what people think, because God first saved mine, and to love, because He first loved me.

Heartwarming, but still just waffle. From my point of view, there is no reason to believe you, nor any reason to believe your claims. I'd be more than happy to consider your claims if you would only give me a reason to believe them. You have just stated them and wandered off, content that you've done your job, when in fact you just turn people off the idea of Christianity altogether.

They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. This may be true, but you haven't even done that: all you've done is say, "There's water here. I can't prove it to you, but if you find the water, then that's proof I was right.", and walked off. Forgive me for being a little... nonplussed.

What's your job?

Financially, or spiritually?

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

Dear Cruijur,

I hope you can change the font of your posts it is too small, pick font four please.

I do hope you can handle an interfaith debate, it is fun to ponder how the world works and how it was formed in a solar nebula. I recommend for fun try fantasizing about how this whole world works with no God in it, because is God really a sustainer? Doesn't this stuff work just on it's own, the plants grow from the ground take in the sunshine perform photosynthasis and even fight for sun light. They just do that.

Try fanatasizing about their being no God, it is fun just try it.

Here I'll help you, look at christianity like this, remember in the bible when Jesus fed the crowd of five thousand? Remember how the people didn't believe Jesus was the son of God, some of these people supposedly called for Jesus to be crucified.

Well maybe the real reason why these people did not believe Jesus was the son of God was because these people were not fed by Jesus, they just showed up for a speech and walked away untouched with no fish or bread?

Because if you were in that crowd and Jesus just fed you some fish when all he had was two pieces of fish, wouldn't you believe he was the son of God? So why didn't these people believe?

Well under our fantasy you could pretend that it didn't actually happen, so what about the sun going around the Earth how does it do that? Is there an angle carrying the Earth around the sun? Or is it just in orbit around the sun just like the moon is in orbit around the Earth?

So when you see a house sparrow land in your house, what made that bird? It was a process of sexual selection the birds parents found each other and successfully mated, to produce the bird?

Now just try to fantasize for the next one I got. How did life start on the Earth, presuming the atmosphere of the Earth some 4.6 billion years ago was made up of Methane, Carbon Dioxide, Ammonium, and Water. What might you think would start growing in that primordial soup?

If you play with me and fantasize about this, I'll fantasize about how a caring and loving God would let there be evil in the world such as a three year old being run over by a bus. Or you could pick another one.

If you're like me this stuff is fun to talk about, however some people cannot handle a interfaith debate, I have seen it.

Pretty much if a person thinks like if you don't agree with me you'll go to hell, those people cannot handle a interfaith debate, they get soooo upset.
So if you think you can handle it jump in there and play a little bit, you can't prove nothing and at the end of the day we believe what we want, regardless of what anyone says.

So come on play a little bit, think of it as creative writing, for a science fiction book.

Also, don't worry about if I think God doesn't exist, so what if I think that big deal, it don't matter to nothing. It doesn't affect anything, I am totally okay with thinking there is no God. So don't worry about it, and enjoy pondering over how life first started on the Earth.

 

[Crujir]

Thomas,

I just want you to know I don't get upset

Now I'll address everyone. We've come to a point in this... wow 16 page thread where we are beating on the same walls, over, and over again. All of us. So I in particular, I have to stop and consider this; if you are not going to open your mind, what am I doing here?

I can't remember his name, but there was some pastor who had a reputation for getting into atheists' hearts and turning them to God. Well there was a man who was an atheist that went to college and gained a lot of knowledge, naturally as anyone would who goes to college and makes the effort. Well he wanted to confront this pastor and when it happened, the pastor simply said this: "If I were to talk to you and read any scripture to you, you wouldn't take any of it into consideration, would you?" The man said no, to which the pastor replied: "Then I'm not going to waste my time with you. If you can't open your mind, then there is no point in me even trying. Come back to me when you open your mind a little bit."

Many of you don't believe in God because you haven't given Him enough of a chance to touch your heart; you don't know what its like to be filled with that love. Sometimes painful things happen to us that cause us to get so angry that we blame God, and eventually would conclude He isn't there because we didn't understand. That is usually when we get the most frustrated is when we just don't understand "why".

Wiccan, Thomas, I don't know what you have been through, and its not my job to know, but I can still see the results of it. Something is still affecting you, and it pains me when I have talked to someone this much and realize what kind of pain they have been through, even if I don't know what it is. I've been through enough already at my young age that if I hardened my heart like you instead of just letting God take over, I would probably be taking the same stance. I should, SHOULD, be dead. But as a result of asking God for help, I am alive and well, and talking to you.

God cannot help you if you don't let him. You've hardened your hearts to the point where you won't even let God have the chance to touch your lives. And in your refusal to open your minds and soften your hearts, talking to me has become close to pointless; you aren't getting anywhere, and its come to a point where I'm not either.

So really, why are you still posting here? Do you have a greater purpose? Even if you deceive someone and think you've proved a point, what has it REALLY done? Nothing, because to you there is no God. Your actions are to no avail. You're going to die, and that's it. Everything you do is meaningless. But if you work for God, He will give you eternal rewards and everlasting joy. But once again, you've hardened your hearts, so you cannot receive this.

There isn't much left to say, because its like trying to convince someone that the Holocaust happened when they don't believe it; you can show them pictures, history books, everything, but because they have already concluded in their mind it isn't real and refuse to open their minds, they will never receive so talking to them is pointless. And yes, there really are people who don't believe it happened.

All that's left to do is pray.


Oh and Navyguy let's refer to the other part of that scripture; they compliment each other and are just as true as one another. Can you curse Jesus? Would you? The scripture says that no man being led by the spirit of God can do so, and likewise no man can say Jesus is Lord except by that spirit. I'm sorry, but if the word of God says it, its a done deal. A lot of problems in the church today come from interpretations, instead of taking it for what it is. The word of God also says that "By the reasons of use, we know these things." I know this because the word says it, but it is confirmed because I have witnessed it, tested it.

The word of God does not lie. I will stand on that. I will not bend, break, bow down, give up or shut up until God tells me I've done a good job. There are too any people hiding behind their masks, trying to justify where they stand. Once again, they don't want to be wrong; none of us like to be wrong. When the word of God says we are wrong, we will do one of two things. Have humility and admit we messed up, or try to justify. All the atheist can do is justify. By denying the existence of God, whatever they are doing must not be wrong, so they can continue on thinking they are right when really, every time someone mentions the word, their conscience attacks them and pride flares up. They then will twist the Bible or deny it altogether. Its how humans work. We try to find away around everything so we can get what WE want; its our selfish nature. The word of God does not lie.

 

[DailyBlessings]

The word of God does not lie.

But people can misunderstand him.