How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

Select church history is what is done on this forum--church history to you means the history that uphold Sunday and excludes the history of those that continued to keep the true 7th day Sabbath. "It comes down to what church history has recorded as to whether the legal rest of the Sabbath, is a Christian practice."
That statement is false. There is no tradition that replaces the word of God. A selective church history means nothing in the eyes of God. His truth is what matters, not the tradition of man. The NT itself, upholds the 7th day Sabbath and needs no selective church history that comes straight from Catholicism instead of the plain word of God. Even the survivors of the Mutiny on the bounty--the Pitcairn islanders, when discovered, had with them only the bible---no one to dictate to them what to believe, were discovered to be keeping the 7th day Sabbath--and also, BTW--not eating pork. Unless someone tells you about Sunday--you can not get it from reading the word of God.

Again, half truths.

In the Old Testament God gave dietary laws to Israel. Remember He didn’t give them to everybody He only gave them to the Israelites.

Leviticus 11:7-8 ......….
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you."

Jesus says all foods are clean. We are free to eat whatever.

Mark 7:18-19...……
“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

1 Corinthians 8:8 ......…
"Food will not make us acceptable to God. We are not inferior if we don’t eat, and we are not better if we do eat."

Romans 14:1-3 ......….
"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

 

[Major1]

Do you believe that a Sunday law must be introduced before Jesus will return?

There is NOTHING in the Word of God to suggest such an event.

 

[Major1]

You said the Millerites don't exist anymore.

These churches below are all Millerite Advent derived.

Advent Christian Church
Seventh-day Adventist Church
Church of God (Seventh-Day)
Church of God General Conference
Church of the Blessed Hope
Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement
Davidian SDA (Shepherd's Rod)
United Seventh-Day Brethren
Branch Davidians
Primitive Advent Christian Church
Sabbath Rest Advent Church

No matter what is said by those who are trying to distance themselves from William Miller and Ellen White, real history says that the Millerites were the original nucleus of today's Seventh-Day Adventist and Adventist Christian Churches.

Historical collections of over 1,000 early books and pamphlets, and 2,500 issues of rare periodicals, and more than 1,000 letters provides the necessary materials for a thorough study of the Millerites philosophy which was adopted by Ellen White and then changed to "Seventh Day Advantists..

Actually, I do not know why we are having this conversation. It is a well know historical fact and the bottom line is …….Who cares???

 

[Major1]

Thank you for informing everyone of stuff we all know!!


Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.

Because some SDA's are claiming something different.

The real time history is that William Miller was a licensed Baptist preacher BUT was never ordained by them as one.

He read the Bible for only 2 years and then decided he knew everything about the Scriptures.

What he failed to read and learn is that it is never acceptable to set dates for the 2nd Coming of Christ.

 

[Major1]

You appear to be trying to prove that the name "Seventh-day Adventist" was attached to the SDA church in the 1860's and also that in 1858 Ellen White said this should be the name.

Your own link argues some individuals and some local congregations were said to be using the name in 1858.

AS IF that somehow sustains your wild claim that William Miller in 1845 called himself a Seventh-day Adventist or even had the distinctive beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.

Is that your story?? If so I find your logic "illusive"

NOPE. Just giving factual truths in a nice loving way for all to grow and learn.

There is nothing more central, or controversial, in the Seventh-day Adventist Church than Ellen G. White and her work. From the very beginning of the movement there has been heated debate about the nature of her revelations and their place in the church. Most of the questions raised have never been completely resolved, and are ongoing sources of contention both within the church and in dialogue with other Christians. Over the course of time many Adventists, some of them prominent within the denomination, have left Adventism as a direct result of their disagreement with the church's stance on Mrs. White.

Adventists historically have been reluctant to disclose to outsiders the central role of White in their church for fear of being branded a cult with an extra-Biblical source for their beliefs, which is in fact how they are viewed by many mainstream Christians. As a result of this reticence, Ellen G. White, unlike her contemporaries Joseph Smith and Mary Baker Eddy, remains virtually unknown outside Adventist circles.

One of the best web sites available on this subject is found at...……
Ellen G. White & the Seventh-day Adventist Church

I would highly recommend that YOU and others interested in this conversation go to that site and read it. It should fill in any questions that you might have on this subject.

 

[Major1]

You appear to be trying to prove that the name "Seventh-day Adventist" was attached to the SDA church in the 1860's and also that in 1858 Ellen White said this should be the name.

Your own link argues some individuals and some local congregations were said to be using the name in 1858.

AS IF that somehow sustains your wild claim that William Miller in 1845 called himself a Seventh-day Adventist or even had the distinctive beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.

Is that your story?? If so I find your logic "illusive"

At the height of his ministry, William Miller had gathered some 50,000 followers, who had also become known as "Adventists." When March 1844 came and went with no sign of Jesus Christ having returned, Miller recalculated the new date to October 22, 1844.

When Jesus did not return on October 22, 1844, the entire Millerite movement collapsed as his followers' Christian faith were destroyed. Miller revamped his doctrine to say that Christ had indeed returned, but that Miller had not understood that Christ first had to come to the "Heavenly Sanctuary," which He is now busy cleaning. Once Jesus has cleansed things up in heaven, He would be coming back to the earth.

The few people remaining that bought into this false teaching formed the Advent Church and in 1845 William Miller became its first president. The name was later changed to Seventh Day Adventists and after the death of Miller in 1849 a new false prophet came on the scene, this time a woman, Ellen G. White.

At the age of 13, Ellen was taken to a meeting where William Miller spoke and was converted to the Adventist faith. That is well before 1863.

Source: Cult of Seventh Day Adventism

 

[mmksparbud]

Again, half truths.

In the Old Testament God gave dietary laws to Israel. Remember He didn’t give them to everybody He only gave them to the Israelites.

Leviticus 11:7-8 ......….
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you."

Jesus says all foods are clean. We are free to eat whatever.

Mark 7:18-19...……
“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

1 Corinthians 8:8 ......…
"Food will not make us acceptable to God. We are not inferior if we don’t eat, and we are not better if we do eat."

Romans 14:1-3 ......….
"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

And they applied to anyone who wanted to follow their God. They applied to the mixed multitude and anyone else who joined them. No-He didn't give them to the Egyptians, or the Canaanites or anyone else---duh---The Israelites were His people! He wanted to keep them healthy--

Exo_15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Mark 7:18-19...……
“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Really? Now that really is a half-truth. Jesus had a slightly different interpretation--

Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

He wasn't talking about food.

 

[mmksparbud]

Because some SDA's are claiming something different.

The real time history is that William Miller was a licensed Baptist preacher BUT was never ordained by them as one.

He read the Bible for only 2 years and then decided he knew everything about the Scriptures.

What he failed to read and learn is that it is never acceptable to set dates for the 2nd Coming of Christ.

Who is claiming anything different? Only you. The facts are in black and white---there were no SDA's before 1861----they were a group of Millerites (which wasn't a church but people who followed his teachings)who gathered together after the 1844 disappointment to study together and started to form the SDA church. This has been stated over and over. It is you that have had your facts all wrong and keep wanting to avoid what the discussion has been about--which is the 7th day Sabbath, not the history of the beginning of the SDA church. Obviously you have no answer to my questions and are deflecting.

 

[mmksparbud]

No matter what is said by those who are trying to distance themselves from William Miller and Ellen White, real history says that the Millerites were the original nucleus of today's Seventh-Day Adventist and Adventist Christian Churches.

Historical collections of over 1,000 early books and pamphlets, and 2,500 issues of rare periodicals, and more than 1,000 letters provides the necessary materials for a thorough study of the Millerites philosophy which was adopted by Ellen White and then changed to "Seventh Day Advantists..

Actually, I do not know why we are having this conversation. It is a well know historical fact and the bottom line is …….Who cares???

We are not having this silly "conversation" ----you are!! We have been trying to discuss 7th day Sabbath that has been kept from the disciples on down throughout history which you are trying to ignore. The SDA came out of the Milarite movement--YES---WE KNOW THAT AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE. It's been repeated time after time now. You have repeated all about the history of the SDA beginnings for about 4 pages now and still avoiding the 7th day Sabbath that this is supposed to be about.

 

[Major1]

And they applied to anyone who wanted to follow their God. They applied to the mixed multitude and anyone else who joined them. No-He didn't give them to the Egyptians, or the Canaanites or anyone else---duh---The Israelites were His people! He wanted to keep them healthy--

Exo_15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.






Really? Now that really is a half-truth. Jesus had a slightly different interpretation--

Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

He wasn't talking about food.

I must disagree with your opinion.

The fact is that Jesus was talking about WASHING YOUR HANDS before eating.

Chapter Context
Jesus counters another traditional error from the scribes and Pharisees, explaining that food in and of itself does not make a person unclean. Rather, it is the intent of the heart that matters to God. He specifically condemns traditions which effectively undo the original intent of God's commands. Jesus heals the daughter of a persistent Gentile woman, and a man suffering from deafness and a speech impediment.

In fact, the Old Testament doesn't even give a punishment for eating unclean food.

1 Corth. 10:25-16...…...
"Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”

1 Corth. 10:27...…….
If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake.”

1 Tim. 4:4...…….
"For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving".

 

[Major1]

We are not having this silly "conversation" ----you are!! We have been trying to discuss 7th day Sabbath that has been kept from the disciples on down throughout history which you are trying to ignore. The SDA came out of the Milarite movement--YES---WE KNOW THAT AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE. It's been repeated time after time now. You have repeated all about the history of the SDA beginnings for about 4 pages now and still avoiding the 7th day Sabbath that this is supposed to be about.

NOT SO. Again, another half truth.

On the very 1st page of the thread, comment #17 I said clearly...………..

"True...…..but, they are so unscripturally obsessed with the Saturday Sabbath, they have dreamed up a new way to oppose the worship of God on Sunday.

They think the mark of the beast is Sunday worship! "

Is there some other way or words I should have used that would have been more acceptable or understandable?

 

[mmksparbud]

Adventists historically have been reluctant to disclose to outsiders the central role of White in their church for fear of being branded a cult with an extra-Biblical source for their beliefs, which is in fact how they are viewed by many mainstream Christians. As a result of this reticence, Ellen G. White, unlike her contemporaries Joseph Smith and Mary Baker Eddy, remains virtually unknown outside Adventist circles.

That is total baloney!! She is talked bout at every single Evangelistic meeting. She is discussed on the SDA TV programs (the Hope channel and 3ABN and Doug Bachelor has his own shows also--Amazing facts show)----which are on the internet and all together viewed by more non-SDA's than actual SDA's!
We have no reticence in discussing her. When it comes to doctrines--we quote the bible for that is where we get our doctrines from. None of them are from any other source than the bible.

 

[mmksparbud]

I must disagree with your opinion.

The fact is that Jesus was talking about WASHING YOUR HANDS before eating.

Chapter Context
Jesus counters another traditional error from the scribes and Pharisees, explaining that food in and of itself does not make a person unclean. Rather, it is the intent of the heart that matters to God. He specifically condemns traditions which effectively undo the original intent of God's commands. Jesus heals the daughter of a persistent Gentile woman, and a man suffering from deafness and a speech impediment.

In fact, the Old Testament doesn't even give a punishment for eating unclean food.

1 Corth. 10:25-16...…...
"Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”

1 Corth. 10:27...…….
If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake.”

1 Tim. 4:4...…….
"For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving".

You can disagree with me all you want---that in no way at all changes what Jesus said.

Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

OK----soooo, now instead of the Sabbath we will be having an endless discussion on diet??

 

[Major1]

That is total baloney!! She is talked bout at every single Evangelistic meeting. She is discussed on the SDA TV programs (the Hope channel and 3ABN and Doug Bachelor has his own shows also--Amazing facts show)----which are on the internet and all together viewed by more non-SDA's than actual SDA's!
We have no reticence in discussing her. When it comes to doctrines--we quote the bible for that is where we get our doctrines from. None of them are from any other source than the bible.

I posted the Source of the post so I would suggest that you contact that author about its validity. It seemed pretty true to me and what I have understood.

 

[Major1]

You can disagree with me all you want---that in no way at all changes what Jesus said.

Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

OK----soooo, now instead of the Sabbath we will be having an endless discussion on diet??

My dear friend, YOU ARE the one to bring up DIET in comment #196.

You said...……
"no one to dictate to them what to believe, were discovered to be keeping the 7th day Sabbath--and also, BTW--not eating pork."

If you did not want to discuss diet, why interject it in your comment?????

I only responded to what you said!!!!

AGAIN...…….If you choose to do it...…..worship on Saturday, THEN DO IT but you can not do it and claim that the Bible says we are to do it.

ELLEN WHITE told you not the Word of God.

 

[mmksparbud]

NOT SO. Again, another half truth.

On the very 1st page of the thread, comment #17 I said clearly...………..

"True...…..but, they are so unscripturally obsessed with the Saturday Sabbath, they have dreamed up a new way to oppose the worship of God on Sunday.

They think the mark of the beast is Sunday worship! "

Is there some other way or words I should have used that would have been more acceptable or understandable?

Nope--got no objections about the mark of the beast. But you have gone on and on about the beginnings of the SDA church instead of the Sabbath or the mark of the beast.

 

[mmksparbud]

I posted the Source of the post so I would suggest that you contact that author about its validity. It seemed pretty true to me and what I have understood.

I don't go to those weird sites. When I want to find out about the Mormons, I go to their site--not anti-Mormon sites. When I want to find out about the Catholics, I go to their site. I do not go to "anti" sites for info--they never have accurate info. I don't go to an ear doctor to find out about my liver, either.

 

[mmksparbud]

My dear friend, YOU ARE the one to bring up DIET in comment #196.

You said...……
"no one to dictate to them what to believe, were discovered to be keeping the 7th day Sabbath--and also, BTW--not eating pork."

If you did not want to discuss diet, why interject it in your comment?????

I only responded to what you said!!!!

AGAIN...…….If you choose to do it...…..worship on Saturday, THEN DO IT but you can not do it and claim that the Bible says we are to do it.

ELLEN WHITE told you not the Word of God.

Good grief! I only made one little comment about the Pitcairn Islanders were keeping the Sabbath--and not eating pork. That was all. I do not claim -- It is what the bible says! There is not one verse that states that the 7th day Sabbath has been done way with and Sunday has replaced it. Jesus had every opportunity to say so when He was resurrected and never mentioned it! Ellen White did not tell the disciples nor did she tell the Pitcairn Islanders nor all those other sources that were posted, that you totally ignored. She did not tell the 7th Day Baptists in the 1600's in England about it either!

 

[BobRyan]

NOPE. Just giving factual truths in a nice loving way for all to grow and learn.

Now here is a post I have been waiting for ---

There is nothing more central, or controversial, in the Seventh-day Adventist Church than Ellen G. White and her work.

Oh I see... you thought you were posting on an "Ellen White and her work" thread. Did you want to start such a thread??

As a helpful reminder the title of this thread is "
How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?"

 

[BobRyan]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s and 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening.

After the Disappointment of October 22, 1844, when there was a scattering of believers and a confusion of beliefs, Joshua V. Himes, with Miller, Josiah Litch, Sylvester Bliss, and some other leaders, sought to hold all Adventist factions together; and for this purpose called a meeting at Albany, New York, on April 29, 1845.

The Albany Conference was only partially successful in its purpose, though Himes, and Miller for the four years he yet lived, were generally acknowledged as the leaders of the Adventists.

But never as "Seventh-day Adventists".

The Seventh-day Adventist church along with its doctrinal statements was not founded until 1861.

History matters.

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IF instead you are looking to pick a fight with those sunday-keeping pork-eating immortal-soul-believing, Ellen White disbelieving Millerites that were following Miller in 1845 ... none of them are here. You will have a difficult time finding one of those 50,000 still alive or still a Millerite.

You said that history matters. I thought you rejected history?

You reject the history of the christian church!

That appears to be another case of you "quoting you then blaming me for your quote of you".

Was I just not supposed to notice???