How does one become a Theistic Evolutionist?

[The Lady Kate]

And, I still think the faith to evolution will erode your faith to God.

And I stand here as living proof that you are mistaken. Will you admit a mistake, or cling to vanity?

 

[The Lady Kate]

Evolution IS a faith. In particular, when it is used to convince people about human origin. Mounting amount of "evidences" in the study of evolution is hugh enough to frighten most people in churches and to convince students below the level of Ph.D.

Evidence should no be held responsible for "frightening" people who are so insecure in their faith that they fear their own shadow.

(that is one of the reason that most churches close an eye to it). But for people who study evolution, they know it has to take a faith to believe in it.

No more faith than it takes to believe that a man named George Washington lived, or that Pilgrims came to America in 1620... shall we abandon these theories for fear that God will disappear to us?

What does God have to fear from evolution? Certainly he has less to fear than you do.

 

[Assyrian]

Evolution IS a faith. In particular, when it is used to convince people about human origin. Mounting amount of "evidences" in the study of evolution is hugh enough to frighten most people in churches and to convince students below the level of Ph.D. (that is one of the reason that most churches close an eye to it). But for people who study evolution, they know it has to take a faith to believe in it.

Paleontology can not cheat me any more. What I am struggling now is the genetics. I really wish there will be more YEC geneticists who can coach the argument.

Didn't you recently quote Sun Tzu about how it is important to know your enemy? Yet so many Christians who argue against evolution simply cannot conceive of a way of thinking and understanding any different from theirs, so evolution is 'faith', scientists 'worship' Darwin, they quote the Origin of Species as if scientists hold it up as a sacred text, and if science has advanced in the last 150 years they think they have shown the sacred text errant and disproved evolution. Completely failing to understand how science work.

Of course the other reason, sadly, people cling to these misunderstandings is they want it to be true. It is always easier to argue against a strawman. Obviously evolution is wrong and it would make such a great sounding argument if the strawman were true, the strawman must be true. I doubt Sun Tzu would have approved of basing your strategy on wishful thinking.

 

[juvenissun]

And I stand here as living proof that you are mistaken. Will you admit a mistake, or cling to vanity?

Living proof of what? Having a weaker faith or a stronger faith? Where is the proof?

 

[LightSeaker]

Living proof of what? Having a weaker faith or a stronger faith? Where is the proof?

Where's your proof? Why should we believe your faith is strong.


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[LightSeaker]

Evolution IS a faith.

Evolution is faith in the same way as gravity and electricity are taken as faith. We don't know what they are...yet at the same time we can measure them and use them.

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[pgp_protector]

Evolution IS a faith. In particular, when it is used to convince people about human origin. Mounting amount of "evidences" in the study of evolution is hugh enough to frighten most people in churches and to convince students below the level of Ph.D. (that is one of the reason that most churches close an eye to it). But for people who study evolution, they know it has to take a faith to believe in it.

Paleontology can not cheat me any more. What I am struggling now is the genetics. I really wish there will be more YEC geneticists who can coach the argument.

If the Church closes their eyes to things, how can they see clearly ?

 

[juvenissun]

Didn't you recently quote Sun Tzu about how it is important to know your enemy? Yet so many Christians who argue against evolution simply cannot conceive of a way of thinking and understanding any different from theirs, so evolution is 'faith', scientists 'worship' Darwin, they quote the Origin of Species as if scientists hold it up as a sacred text, and if science has advanced in the last 150 years they think they have shown the sacred text errant and disproved evolution. Completely failing to understand how science work.

Of course the other reason, sadly, people cling to these misunderstandings is they want it to be true. It is always easier to argue against a strawman. Obviously evolution is wrong and it would make such a great sounding argument if the strawman were true, the strawman must be true. I doubt Sun Tzu would have approved of basing your strategy on wishful thinking.

The Art of War by SunTze is a BOOK of many chapters. It is not just an one-line teaching. Of course, one would have problem if tried to thoroughly understand his enemies every time. But, there are other strategies to win. We can not understand satan. But we can beat him.

My church is a small one with about 250 in the congregation. Believe it or not, I am the only scientist in the church. I do not expect people in my church to make successful argument against evolution. But they don't have to. There are other ways. The strawman strategy you mentioned is not necessary a bad one.

God says those people who are not bothered by "the depth of satan" are blessed.

 

[juvenissun]

If the Church closes their eyes to things, how can they see clearly ?

Focus on God's word. That is the lesson one.
For those who can go to lesson two, then go. Otherwise, lesson one is enough.

 

[juvenissun]

Evolution is faith in the same way as gravity and electricity are taken as faith. We don't know what they are...yet at the same time we can measure them and use them.

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Faith on gravity, etc. will not weaken (but could strengthen) your faith to God.
Faith on evolution, CERTAINLY WILL !

 

[juvenissun]

Where's your proof? Why should we believe your faith is strong.


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I did not say I have any proof. The lady said that.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Living proof of what? Having a weaker faith or a stronger faith? Where is the proof?

Proof that you're mistaken. Evolution does not weaken faith, nor does it make God any less "real." to me.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I did not say I have any proof. The lady said that.

Well there you have it... you're making things up as you go, and the fact I'm here proves that what you're making up is incorrect.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Faith on gravity, etc. will not weaken (but could strengthen) your faith to God.
Faith on evolution, CERTAINLY WILL !

Proof? Oh, right.

I did not say I have any proof.

 

[The Lady Kate]

My church is a small one with about 250 in the congregation. Believe it or not, I am the only scientist in the church. I do not expect people in my church to make successful argument against evolution. But they don't have to. There are other ways. The strawman strategy you mentioned is not necessary a bad one.

And you expect people to believe you're a scientist? Any other situations where honesty is not necessarily the best policy?

 

[LJSGM]

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

What is this really saying about God I wonder?

I'll have to think about it somemore...

 

[LightSeaker]

I did not say I have any proof. The lady said that.

The proof is in her Self. Where's your proof that you have faith. You talk about it...but why should any of us believe that you have any? Where's your proof? All I've gotten thus far in this thread is that because of the perceived threat of evolution, your faith is in shaky ground. The Lady says her faith is not threatened like yours is. That makes me think that her faith in Jesus Christ is stonger than yours.


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[Willtor]

The Art of War by SunTze is a BOOK of many chapters. It is not just an one-line teaching. Of course, one would have problem if tried to thoroughly understand his enemies every time. But, there are other strategies to win. We can not understand satan. But we can beat him.

My church is a small one with about 250 in the congregation. Believe it or not, I am the only scientist in the church. I do not expect people in my church to make successful argument against evolution. But they don't have to. There are other ways. The strawman strategy you mentioned is not necessary a bad one.

God says those people who are not bothered by "the depth of satan" are blessed.

Dude, there is no way you are a scientist.

 

[ziggy29]

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

What is this really saying about God I wonder?

Indeed, it is this passage in 2 Peter which makes me wonder if what is called a "day" in Genesis is really referring to the "24 Earth hours" we know as a day. If you look at most of the Creation description in Genesis 1, the order in which the events took place is fairly similar to scientific understanding of the order in which the world took form. Some of the problems people -- including some people of faith -- have with the description of the creation in Gen. 1 is that they read it in a way that requires them to believe the Earth was created in a period of time we know on Earth as 144 hours.

 

[LJSGM]

Indeed, it is this passage in 2 Peter which makes me wonder if what is called a "day" in Genesis is really referring to the "24 Earth hours" we know as a day. If you look at most of the Creation description in Genesis 1, the order in which the events took place is fairly similar to scientific understanding of the order in which the world took form. Some of the problems people -- including some people of faith -- have with the description of the creation in Gen. 1 is that they read it in a way that requires them to believe the Earth was created in a period of time we know on Earth as 144 hours.

Indeed, many people wonder why it's taking God so long to judge the world and let suffering exist for so long, but perhaps to the Lord, it's like a matter of days...