How do you decide if something is factual?

[Aman777]

Yeah, actually you did say this. Post 357. Let me quote your own words...

So, yeah, you did say that.

And if you have two people who claim to be Bible-believing Christians, and they are disagreeing, then obviously one of them isn't a Bible believing Christian after all!

Unworthy of comment. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Totally irrelevant.

The ark breeding pairs only had 2 alleles per gene, regardless of what other folks their ancestors were.

Genetic mechanism?

Amen.

I told you but it went over your head. God The Trinity created THEIR kinds with the ability to produce children with the creatures Jesus made (HIS kinds). Gen 6:1-4 Don't you know the difference? and don't you know that God the Son knows how to create creatures from the ground which can produce children with those God created from Water? It seems your personal idea of God is very very small and impotent. It should be obvious that Jesus and God BOTH created breeding pairs which had 2 alleles per gene. God Bless you

 

[tas8831]

I told you but it went over your head.

No, I don't think it went over MY head.

You do not seem to understand what a "genetic mechanism" is, for claims of 'reproducing with their kind' or whatever is not genetic anything, it is mere assertion..

But thanks for the typical unwarranted condescension of the religion advocate.

 

[Aman777]

Given that he views the ark animals as coming from an independent world from this one, and that this one had living things of its own, the giraffes from the ark probably ended up breeding with the numerous "prehistoric giraffes" and such, as far as Aman777 is concerned.

Amen, IF Adam's world had Giraffes. People confuse the Fact that the animals Noah brought with him were not necessarily the same animals as on planet Earth. A good example is the Dinosaur since it went extinct 65 million years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

No, I don't think it went over MY head.

You do not seem to understand what a "genetic mechanism" is, for claims of 'reproducing with their kind' or whatever is not genetic anything, it is mere assertion..

But thanks for the typical unwarranted condescension of the religion advocate.

Thanks. I do the best I can and hope to be correct at the Judgment. Amen?

 

[Kylie]

False, since my view agrees, in every way, with every discovery of Scripture, Science and History AND you have offered NO refute to anything I have posted. Who do you think you are that I should listen to you?

No it doesn't.

Your views do NOT agree with science if a main part of it claims to be something that science has not yet discovered! You are just making assumptions.

 

[Kylie]

Stinkin thinkin is my opinion. For 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER planted a crop, built a house, nor a city, no ever demonstrated ANY of the traits shown by the FIRST Humans on Adam's Earth. Gen 4:17-22. SUDDENLY, 11k years ago, Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived in Northern Mesopotamia and planted crops, built homes and cities, and demonstrated EVERY trait of modern Humans on this planet. History agrees.

In less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, Humans have SUDDENLY gone from Caves to the Moon and back. The fact that Godless people haven't noticed, is proof of God and their worst nightmare. Amen?

Stinkin thinkin is my opinion. For 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER flew a kite, built an airport, nor a runway, no ever demonstrated ANY of the flying ability shown by the FIRST Humans on Orville and Wilbur's Earth. SUDDENLY, 100 years ago, Humans (the Wright Brothers) arrived in Kittyhawk and built planes, flew test flights in that plane, and demonstrated EVERY trait of modern Humans on this planet. History agrees.

 

[Kylie]

Unworthy of comment. God Bless you

Oh, it's quite worthy, I think. I suspect that you don't wish to comment because you can't say anything without contradicting yourself at some point. Ah, I guess we'll never know...

 

[Ophiolite]

Stinkin thinkin is my opinion. For 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER flew a kite, built an airport, nor a runway, no ever demonstrated ANY of the flying ability shown by the FIRST Humans on Orville and Wilbur's Earth. SUDDENLY, 100 years ago, Humans (the Wright Brothers) arrived in Kittyhawk and built planes, flew test flights in that plane, and demonstrated EVERY trait of modern Humans on this planet. History agrees.

I would take your counter argument further. Surely the first truly fully human behaviour was when the first photo of a kitten was posted on the internet. No reasonable human can imagine the world without internet kittens.

(In my defence, it's quite late where I am.)

 

[Aman777]

No it doesn't.

Your views do NOT agree with science if a main part of it claims to be something that science has not yet discovered! You are just making assumptions.

To you, it may be an assumption, but to me, it's God's Truth of the future which is as sure of happening as tomorrow morning. I post it in advance in order to show the godless that we are living in the last days of this world as we know it. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Stinkin thinkin is my opinion. For 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER flew a kite, built an airport, nor a runway, no ever demonstrated ANY of the flying ability shown by the FIRST Humans on Orville and Wilbur's Earth. SUDDENLY, 100 years ago, Humans (the Wright Brothers) arrived in Kittyhawk and built planes, flew test flights in that plane, and demonstrated EVERY trait of modern Humans on this planet. History agrees.

There you go comparing man's ability to create, with God's. Be ashamed. I am speaking of people who descended from Apes becoming Humans, with the ability to become immortal, with the ability to FLY, without the need of a man made plane which sometimes crashes. I shall never crash. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Oh, it's quite worthy, I think. I suspect that you don't wish to comment because you can't say anything without contradicting yourself at some point. Ah, I guess we'll never know...

My biggest problem is finding the time to post. NO one, including you, has been able to refute me, which is to prove me wrong. I view my understanding as God's Truth until it can proven wrong, either Scripturally, Scientifically or Historically. Your impotence at this task has already been demonstrated. Now, it's time to either prove me wrong or my Understanding STANDS as your ToE wobbles. Amen?

 

[Kylie]

To you, it may be an assumption, but to me, it's God's Truth of the future which is as sure of happening as tomorrow morning. I post it in advance in order to show the godless that we are living in the last days of this world as we know it. God Bless you

Only because you are assuming it to be God's Truth of the future.

And people have been claiming it's the end times literally for centuries. Your bit might be more impressive if it hadn't been done countless times before and failed every single time.

 

[Kylie]

There you go comparing man's ability to create, with God's. Be ashamed. I am speaking of people who descended from Apes becoming Humans, with the ability to become immortal, with the ability to FLY, without the need of a man made plane which sometimes crashes. I shall never crash. Amen?

No. No amen, and I will not be ashamed. You don't get to claim your side is special for some reason so you can have logic that works when it applies to you, but fails every other time. Your argument is based on strawmen, special pleading, and treating assumptions like facts.

 

[Kylie]

My biggest problem is finding the time to post. NO one, including you, has been able to refute me, which is to prove me wrong. I view my understanding as God's Truth until it can proven wrong, either Scripturally, Scientifically or Historically. Your impotence at this task has already been demonstrated. Now, it's time to either prove me wrong or my Understanding STANDS as your ToE wobbles. Amen?

Oh, you make me laugh. Is this the way to win debates now? Just declare yourself the winner? That's hilarious.

 

[Herman Hedning]

My biggest problem is finding the time to post. NO one, including you, has been able to refute me, which is to prove me wrong. I view my understanding as God's Truth until it can proven wrong, either Scripturally, Scientifically or Historically. Your impotence at this task has already been demonstrated. Now, it's time to either prove me wrong or my Understanding STANDS as your ToE wobbles. Amen?

Since you do not accept ANY arguments and evidence that you don't already agree with, refuting you is a futile task.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Oh, it's quite worthy, I think. I suspect that you don't wish to comment because you can't say anything without contradicting yourself at some point. Ah, I guess we'll never know...

We know already.
The very strange ideas many posters have that directly contradict Scripture and quite obviously cannot be true are still taught in many schools on earth and give a lot of encouragement to continue in the wrong ways. There is nothing we can do about this though - free will cannot be taken away.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Between the Creationists and the Evolutionist (I hate to use that particular word, but...), there is a clear difference between what they consider to be factual. One group believes that some sort of creationism is factual, and the other group accepts the scientific account of the formation of the earth and the development of life as factual.

In this thread, I'd like to discuss how we reach our conclusions as to what is factual or not. Not to debate on whether creationism or evolution is factual, but how we arrive at our conclusions as to what is factual.

My own preference is to take a belief I have and put it to the test. If I keep testing an idea and trying to prove it wrong, but every attempt to prove it wrong fails, then I consider that idea to be more and more factual.

How about you? How well have your methods worked in the past?

Can you prove you aren't a murderer?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Can you prove you aren't a murderer?

Sure, that's easy.
Count all the people on earth,
(living people);
then take roll call every day.
Account for any and all that are missing.

If there is no one unaccounted for, TADA ! IT IS DONE!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My own preference is to take a belief I have and put it to the test. If I keep testing an idea and trying to prove it wrong, but every attempt to prove it wrong fails, then I consider that idea to be more and more factual.

How about you? How well have your methods worked in the past?

Cool! This is very good! Test everything until proven true or false, right or wrong. This has worked perfectly for several decades,
and for others throughout the centuries too. (it is very good advice)