How do We Know if We are in YHWH's Renewed Covenant?

[Leaf473]

Not so. It is a just a question to distract from the truth. That is all. The New Covenant which is the good news in Christ Jesus is that we through God's Spirit do not have to live a life of death which is separation from Him. We now have His way, His Laws through love as part of us. As He is so are we in this world.

I agree that his law is part of us. It's just that in a discussion forum such as this, some people say that the law that is a part of us compels us to take particular physical actions (e.g. eat only certain foods) and others disagree.

So when having a discussion, sometimes issues about definitions come up.

 

[Clare73]

(CLV) Jer 31:31-33
Behold, the days are coming, averring is Yahweh, when I will contract a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
32) Not like the covenant which I contracted with their fathers in the day I held fast onto their hand to bring them forth from the land of Egypt, which covenant of Mine they themselves annulled while I was Possessor over them, averring is Yahweh.

33) For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.
This is the covenant. Would YHWH go back on his word, and neglect to write his Torah on the hearts of his people? Can we say that we are in this renewed covenant; if his Torah is not written on our hearts?

We are in the New Covenant of God if we believe in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice (justification).
While the law written on our hearts is manifested in our love of God and neighbor, which loving is the fulfillment of the law "and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10).

That is the NT word of God for his New Covenant people.

 

[GDL]

We are in the New Covenant of God if we believe in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sin (salvation) and right standing with God's justice (justification).
While the law written on our hearts is manifested in our love of God and neighbor, which loving is the fulfillment of the law "and whatever other commandment there may be." (Romans 13:8-10).

That is the NT word of God for his New Covenant people.

Nicely said.

Question for clarification: It looks like you're saying "if we believe in & trust on the person...of Jesus Christ, receive remission & justification, that we will (over time?) live in a way that fulfills [God's] Law written on our hearts & manifest love as He commands. So, biblical belief in Jesus Christ will include living in submission to Him - to God. Correct?

 

[Clare73]

Nicely said.

Question for clarification: It looks like you're saying "if we believe in & trust on the person...of Jesus Christ, receive remission & justification, that we will (over time?) live in a way that fulfills [God's] Law written on our hearts & manifest love as He commands. So, biblical belief in Jesus Christ will include living in submission to Him - to God. Correct?

Thanks.

Yes, Biblical belief in Jesus will include submission and obedience to the NT commands (Romans 13:8-10), for faith without works is counterfeit faith. . .true faith obeys.

 

[Carl Emerson]

As I said in another post in this thread, once you learn to rightly divide the word of truth, you will find all these scripture passages much easier to understand.

Paul is referring to the Body of Christ, and yes you are correct, there is neither Jew nor gentile there.

Once you believe that Christ died for your sins, and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification (aka 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), you become a member of the Body of Christ.

But Israel is not the Body of Christ.

Israel only consists of the physical descendants of Abraham. They either believe that Jesus is their Messiah, which makes them True Israel, or they reject Jesus as their Messiah, meaning they are natural but not True Israel.

Why do you exclude gentiles being part of the true Israel through being spiritual descendants of Abraham, in Christ - Children of the Promise ???

 

[BobRyan]

Could you explain this, please - "Abraham was not a "gentile"'?

In Rom 4 Abraham is affirmed as the father of the Jews/Israel and he was circumcised as part of his covenant relationship to God. No gentile was told that they had to be circumcised to worship the one true God.

 

[BobRyan]

When we get back to the OT Gospel, we at minimum track the Seed from Genesis 3, through Abraham, and down through history as more revelation was given & connected about the Jewish Messiah / Eternal King.

If you argue that the line going from Adam in Gen 3 to Abraham are all "Jews" or all 'not gentiles' then the entire planet is not gentile since every one today is a descendant of Noah and all of Noah's family were descended from Seth.

But none of them are circumcised until you get to Abraham the father of the faithful - the father of the Jews.

 

[BobRyan]

Why do you exclude gentiles being part of the true Israel through being spiritual descendants of Abraham, in Christ - Children of the Promise ???

Good question given the way that Romans 2 ends.

 

[BobRyan]

No arguments at this point, but one thing I think is foundationally important about the Gospel that many with their knowledge tend to skip over, but our Text, when read as a whole, does not: Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God - YHWH's Christ/Anointed / resurrected Eternal King who rules Heaven and the earth.

"Christ" is the Greek term for the Hebrew "Messiah". And John 8 tells us that Abraham saw the days of Christ - who is in fact Jesus Christ ... and was glad. In fact the OT prophets had "The Spirit of CHRIST in them" 1 Peter 1 informing them about "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow" 1 Peter 1.

 

[BobRyan]

This is very interesting and something I recently heard from a friend.

When I read Galatians 1 it is clear Paul is saying there is only one gospel and anything else is FALSE, it seems that another FALSE gospel had come about and he was warning them about it.

Indeed. So this means that the many today who are preaching a two-gospel system are mistaken.

 

[BobRyan]

So... Is that a Yes, Jeremiah and his readers would have thought that the animal sacrifice laws were also God's laws?

That is a "yes" that the TEN were most certainly included in what Jeremiah and his readers considered to be the Law of God - (as Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath discussion affirm) - so they knew that the NEW Cov of Jer 31:31-34 included it.

And it is a "yes" that in the days before Christ (as Is 56:4-7 points out... again) both Jews and gentiles needed animal sacrifices ... and Jeremiah knew it. So did Isaiah according to Is 56:4-7 so they knew that the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 included the fact that before the cross animals were being sacrificed in the ceremonial system.

 

[For_Faith]

In Rom 4 Abraham is affirmed as the father of the Jews/Israel and he was circumcised as part of his covenant relationship to God. No gentile was told that they had to be circumcised to worship the one true God.

Certain Jews were not affirmed with Abraham as their father. (Matthew 3:7-10)

 

[BobRyan]

Certain Jews were not affirmed with Abraham as their father. (Matthew 3:7-10)

Rom 4 shows how Abraham is the Father of the faithful - both of Jews and gentiles.


Matt 3 shows how John informed the Jews that a Jew in rebellion is not a true spiritual descendant of Abraham.

 

[Carl Emerson]

In fact the OT prophets had "The Spirit of CHRIST in them"

Not permanently... as permanent indwelling is a new condition associated with the New Covenant which was to come according to Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

 

[GDL]

In Rom 4 Abraham is affirmed as the father of the Jews/Israel and he was circumcised as part of his covenant relationship to God. No gentile was told that they had to be circumcised to worship the one true God.

Yes Romans 4. This is why I was asking. The gentile Abraham believed & was credited righteousness:

NKJ Romans 4:9-11 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

 

[For_Faith]

Not permanently... as permanent indwelling is a new condition associated with the New Covenant which was to come according to Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

No spirit dwells in a dead body. (James 2:26)

 

[HIM]

I think it matters a great deal.

Going back to the train of thought that starts about here,

the issue is what laws does God write on our heart?

See also

So the definition of the law of God is important.

No acceptance is. The willing say ok lead oh God and we will follow.

 

[Carl Emerson]

No spirit dwells in a dead body. (James 2:26)

Please explain how your comment relates to my post...

 

[GDL]

If you argue that the line going from Adam in Gen 3 to Abraham are all "Jews" or all 'not gentiles' then the entire planet is not gentile since every one today is a descendant of Noah and all of Noah's family were descended from Seth.

But none of them are circumcised until you get to Abraham the father of the faithful - the father of the Jews.

My point there was strictly about the OT Gospel you spoke of. Not about Jews.

The OT Gospel was the Seed would come to deal with God's adversary and Abraham's Seed would be a blessing to all nations, and as YHWH's Messiah is developed, He would be the Eternal King, etc....

Point being, Jesus is this Messiah/King (and other truths) and to Him all shall bow. This is foundational.

 

[GDL]

"Christ" is the Greek term for the Hebrew "Messiah". And John 8 tells us that Abraham saw the days of Christ - who is in fact Jesus Christ ... and was glad. In fact the OT prophets had "The Spirit of CHRIST in them" 1 Peter 1 informing them about "the sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow" 1 Peter 1.

Yes, and then we translate Messiah back to Hebrew and Christ back to Greek and we get to Anointed. Then we deal with this and find out who was anointed and what it signified. And then we see how Paul evangelized in detail in Acts 13 and see how, after talking about David's Seed, he points back to Psalm 2 via the coronation type language, and we see there who & what YHWH's Anointed is and realize we're dealing with the King of kings whom we better not anger.

This is my point about what I see as a common failure to make clear in our time. "Moshiach/Messiah/ Christ/Anointed had authoritative meaning.

Philippians 2:9-11 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 14:11 For it is written: "As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God."

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