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How do creationists test their ideas?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by pitabread, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    None of the above.
    The Bible.
     
  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Then why is someone asking how it can be tested?
     
  3. Sanoy

    Sanoy Well-Known Member

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    Been awhile since I checked the science boards. The last time I was on I think you were in the Anglican Church, now it says you are other religion. What religion did you join (If you don't want to share, np) NM, AV told me what's up.
     
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  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    QV please:
     
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  5. d taylor

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    The star saturn (the pagans name for Gods created star).

    Are you talking about science fake one or the real one created by God.
     
  6. OldWiseGuy

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    It's intrinsic...no "whom", as per my tree example.

    A tree has intrinsic value.
    Lumber cut from that tree does not.
     
  7. Kylie

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    No, I'm saying the Popcorn Imp is responsible for the sorting. The fact that the popcorn is ALWAYS sorted like this is all the proof you need.
     
  8. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    Thats nonsense, value demands an agent who can attest to it.
     
  9. pitabread

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    This might come as a shock to you, but the Sun and Moon (as physical objects) exist outside of the Bible. ;)

    Regardless, the mere existence of the Sun and Moon does entail that anything actually written in the Bible about them is true. That is post-hoc reasoning and it's a fallacy.

    The Sun neither moves over the Earth nor is the Moon a light. I think you're a bit stuck there.
     
  10. pitabread

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    This is fair. That said, there are a lot of creationists that insist the age of the Earth can be derived from the Bible. The question is how one determines if they are correct or not.
     
  11. pitabread

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    That is not a coherent answer to the question of how one determines something.

    This is also not a coherent answer to a question of methodology.
     
  12. pitabread

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    Okay. So what would you say to a creationist who thinks the universe is only ~6000 years old? How would you demonstrate that it is 13.8 billion years old?

    How do you determine that you have the correct interpretation of events as written in the Bible versus how they interpret events in the Bible?
     
  13. d taylor

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    If the Bible said the ocean was red, i have the perfect right to see if that is true and to look at the ocean to see if the Bible is true in that regard.

    If you are so hard up for a got you, then take it, it does not matter to me, i am not the one trying to defend lies of science about Gods creation.
     
  14. pitabread

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    Which entails using outside information to confirm the Bible. This, despite what you claimed earlier which was, "The Bible needs no outside conformation[sic]".

    So which is it? Do you need outside confirmation or not?

    Well apparently it does matter to you since you keep replying to this thread.

    I'm just trying to understand how creationists confirm their ideas. So far from your posts I've received contradictions and post-hoc fallacies.
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Then your OP is vague.

    You gave five scenarios, none of which is right.

    I assumed you wanted me to pick one of the five.

    What specifically is your question?

    Creationism is my forte, and I love discussing it.
     
  16. pitabread

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    How would creationists determine which is the correct view of Earth's history? What methodology would creationists apply to determine this?

    Now if you believe "none of the above", that's fine. But the heart of the question is how you determine this. IOW, how would you show that all of those scenarios are incorrect?

    And simply answering "The Bible" is not answering how.
     
  17. Kylie

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    Star Trek says the moon is real, as well as Mars.

    Does that mean that everything else that Star Trek says is true too?
     
  18. AV1611VET

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    Then I predict you won't get a satisfactory answer.

    It's a shame that, despite the fact that God tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, what He thought of what He did, who the eyewitness were (some by name) and how they reacted, science isn't satisfied.
     
  19. Aman777

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    I would tell them that the Hebrew and Ussher dating is false since we STILL live on the present 6th Day at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually. We will not advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until after Jesus returns to our Earth, a future event at the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the creation and filling God's perfect Heaven with perfect people, made perfect in Christ.

    God told Daniel how to hide His Truth until the last days when the "increased knowledge" of our time would unlock the mysteries of Genesis. Daniel 12:4 God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis more than 3k years ago and when it's found, you notice that it AGREES in every way with every other discovered Truth. When you read Genesis for what it actually says, you will find that it's NOT the traditional story which ancient people thought it was.
     
  20. Kylie

    Kylie Atheist and Proud

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    Except God didn't tell you.

    You have a book that you have been told is God telling. But that doesn't mean that the claims of the people who told you the Bible is the word of God are real.
     
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