How do creationists test their ideas?

[pitabread]

oh nevermind

 

[46AND2]

I have confirmation of the Bible, i see the creation as described in the Bible. The two created lights sun greater light and the lesser light the moon and i see stars. All moveing over the earth as stated in the Bible to give light on the earth.

I see as Paul writes, that there is one glory for the sun another glory for the moon and another glory for stars.

I see a raqia that shows Gods handiwork as stated in Psalm's 19

The moon is a piece of rock, not a light.

 

[d taylor]

You just said "The Bible needs no outside conformation". You're contradicting yourself.

That is not outside the Bible speaks about the sun, moon stars etc.. I just see with my eyes that as the Bible states.
Out side conformation would be a group separate from the Bible. Which i would look to, to confirm that the sun is moving over the earth, the moon is a light, etc...

 

[USincognito]

I am not obligated to you or your questions.

I usually get such a response from someone unable to answer them.

Especially when they are based off of the lies of science as proven by the creation account in the Bible. That the earth is not a globe, there is no outer space containing planets moving around a sun that are millions of miles away. so and so.
So as far as your isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? SN 1987a 168,000 neutrino burst, I file them in the same lie stack with the globe etc...

Oh, I didn't realize you were a Flat earter.

 

[d taylor]

I would expect such a response from someone unable to answer them.



Oh, I didn't realize you were a Flerfer.

We have had flat earth back and forths before.

Youtube convinces people the earth is flat

 

[USincognito]

We have had flat earth back and forths before.

Youtube convinces people the earth is flat

That's nice.

 

[Kylie]

God says "Test me now herewith..", meaning his (still applicable) laws. I've tested them. They are true.

Scientifically speaking God declares that he created everything. Looking around I see stuff that appears to have been created. Proof enough for me.

I look at a bowl of popcorn and see that all the big fluffy pieces are at the top and all the little fragments and unpopped kernels are at the bottom. That's proof enough for me that there's an imp in my microwave who sorts the popcorn by size, thus allowing me to easily get the nice ones while keeping the terrible bits at the bottom so I don't have to constantly sort through the popcorn myself.

Of course, I could be wrong. The imp may not live in my microwave. He (she? It/ Do popcorn imps have gender?) may live in the bowl, sorting the popcorn as soon as I pour it in. Or the imp may live in the bag of popcorn itself, and stay with the popcorn the entire time.

I may have to contact the popcorn company, see if they know anything about imps.

Nevertheless, the fact that my popcorn is sorted is totally convincing proof that somebody somewhere wants me to be eating popcorn, and who am I to say otherwise?

 

[Kylie]

The problem is that none of the radioactive methods of dating is:
1) Repeatable
2) Accurate
3) Consistent

I've seen where people took their dog's bones to be dated and they came out as anywhere from 600 - 12,000 years old. Each time it was measured, different labs got different results and they were all wrong. The dog died as was buried 10 years earlier.

Of course, the dating techniques are only useful in a certain age range. Outside those ages, and the results are bound to be unreliable. It would be like using a calendar to figure out how fast a drag race was.

 

[Sanoy]

Scenario: 5 creationists, 5 different beliefs about the Earth and its history.

How would creationists determine which is the correct view of Earth's history? What methodology would creationists apply to determine this?

I think a good methodology is to study Genesis from a scholarly perspective first, (Hebrew, ANE culture and history) catalogue the likely meanings, and see if they meet observation. That may or may not eliminate some of the choices but I think it's the best route. I think we can eliminate flat earth from scripture (let me know if you want me to explain that), and I think we can't predict the age of the earth because scripture does not mention a day that the earth was created. So I'm not sure how we can say, from scripture, that the earth is any particular age.

 

[tas8831]

The problem is that none of the radioactive methods of dating is:
1) Repeatable
2) Accurate
3) Consistent

On what do you base this conclusion? Creationist essays?

I've seen where people took their dog's bones to be dated and they came out as anywhere from 600 - 12,000 years old.

Documentation please.

Each time it was measured, different labs got different results and they were all wrong. The dog died as was buried 10 years earlier.

Documentation please.

Of course, what you describe would be like measuring a a human hair with a yardstick - why would an 'engineer' do something so stupid?

So in the absence of reliable scientific methods of dating, I see instead where the Scriptures record every man from Adam to Jesus, and see how Creation took God 6 days.

Where in your engineering texts were these methods assessed as being accurate?
How are you sure that ancient middle eastern scribes and numerologists and mystics did not make things up as they saw fit? And are you unaware that there are internal conflicts in these begats?

Why are you so unaware of the issues with your own preferred system of guesswork?

Literalist Bible chronology - Conservapedia
" Absolute consensus has not yet been reached, and the published calculations of Bible chronology by different literalist researchers and students down through the centuries even to the present day, all claiming to be derived from the numerical data in the Biblical text, have not produced identical or harmonized results."

Hmmm....

I have also seen non-Christian physicists show how a Universal Ocean could have been molecularity [sic - what does that even mean?] split by a huge explosion of Universal light, creating the entire known Universe in 6 literal days.

Documentation please.

So the evidence and science I've tested and seen points to young, round earth. The science textbooks in all my College Bachelors degree of Engineering at IUPUI in Indianapolis never showed me a dating method that was repeatable, accurate for items of known age, or consistent in their findings.

Why WOULD engineering text books say anything about radiometric dating?

Golly - I'm betting your supposed engineering textbooks didn't mention the inability of Apologists to reconcile the inconsistent biblical narratives to get a coherent chronology, either.

They just basically said "It's X years old, this is generally how radioactive carbon dating works".

Sure they did... Engineering texts...

But I've seen HUNDREDS of people who tried to use radioactive dating to accurately date KNOWN objects ages and these methods failed miserably.

Measuring human hair with a yardstick again?
These HUNDREDS of people - let me guess - creationists all? The chaps in the RATE group?

That is why I have no faith in radioactive dating methods. The evidence I've seen points to their lack of credibility.

Here's a basic video explaining some of the issues with current dating methods. It talks about some of the reasons carbon dating is not reliable.

Oh boy Youtube creationist videos!

How many of your engineering texts mentioned Andrew Snelling?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But it doesn't have to have been made by God along the lines of biblical creationism to have value.

A tree: great value
Lumber: valuable, but less so.

Global warming reveals that we need more God-created trees than man-created lumber.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible?

The bible has more important things to say.

 

[driewerf]

The Bible determines the truth about Gods creation.

What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible?

Keep it simple; does the bible mentions the rings of Saturn?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I look at a bowl of popcorn and see that all the big fluffy pieces are at the top and all the little fragments and unpopped kernels are at the bottom. That's proof enough for me that there's an imp in my microwave who sorts the popcorn by size, thus allowing me to easily get the nice ones while keeping the terrible bits at the bottom so I don't have to constantly sort through the popcorn myself.

Of course, I could be wrong. The imp may not live in my microwave. He (she? It/ Do popcorn imps have gender?) may live in the bowl, sorting the popcorn as soon as I pour it in. Or the imp may live in the bag of popcorn itself, and stay with the popcorn the entire time.

I may have to contact the popcorn company, see if they know anything about imps.

Nevertheless, the fact that my popcorn is sorted is totally convincing proof that somebody somewhere wants me to be eating popcorn, and who am I to say otherwise?

Are you saying that science created the 'sorting' that you are seeing in your popcorn bowl?

If you are tired of getting unpopped kernals don't use the microwave, pop it on the stovetop using fresh popcorn.

You're welcome!

 

[essentialsaltes]

The problem is that none of the radioactive methods of dating is:

While this is a fine essay on why you don't like radioactive dating methods, that is not the question in the OP. How does a card-carrying creationist distinguish between the different alternative theories?

 

[Aman777]

How would creationists determine which is the correct view of Earth's history? What methodology would creationists apply to determine this?

The correct view is that of the agreement of Scripture with Science, History and Genetics. Our Universe began 13.8 Billion years ago on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 This was the 2nd Heaven since the first Heaven, the world of Adam, would be totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 Today is the 6th Day Genesis 1:27 because God continues to "create new creatures in Christ" Spiritually. Ask any preacher.

Before the big bang of our Universe Adam was formed from the dust of the Earth in the first Heaven which was made the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 This shows that Adam was made long BEFORE the beginning of our world. If we assume that it was some 13.8 billion years ago when the big bang happened, this means that each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time.

Since today's scientists are "willingly ignorant" of the first 2 Days of Creation, they don't know that our world was made some 9 Billion years AFTER the first Day. That's God's Time. He's not affected by the movement of the stars, since He doesn't live in our lost and dying world. Amen?

 

[Speedwell]

Are you saying that science created the 'sorting' that you are seeing in your popcorn bowl?

No, but science can explain the sorting--fully and without reference to a 3000 year-old Hebrew religious text.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, but science can explain the sorting--fully and without reference to a 3000 year-old Hebrew religious text.

I can explain it without either.

 

[tas8831]

The bible has more important things to say.

Yup.

Exodus 4:25
Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin and threw it at Moses' feet, and she said, "You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yup.

Exodus 4:25
Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin and threw it at Moses' feet, and she said, "You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me."

Actually that is important.