How do creationists test their ideas?

[Tree of Life]

If, as you say. Now who is going to determine exactly what God "says?"

Each person must read and interpret it for themselves - just like scientific evidence. Sure, just like in science there is consensus among experts in theology and that consensus helps to guide the layman. But each person must either decide to dig into the evidence and form their own conclusion or trust the consensus of the experts.

 

[VirOptimus]

Each person must read and interpret it for themselves - just like scientific evidence. Sure, just like in science there is consensus among experts in theology and that consensus helps to guide the layman. But each person must either decide to dig into the evidence and form their own conclusion or trust the consensus of the experts.

No, that is not how theology works and there certsinly isnt consensus.

Science works on evidence and data, not consensus.

 

[Tree of Life]

No, that is not how theology works and there certsinly isnt consensus.

Yes. It is how theology works and there certainly is consensus on many important issues.

Science works on evidence and data, not consensus.

Consensus is important in science.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yes. It is how theology works and there certainly is consensus on many important issues.



Consensus is important in science.

Heh, no.

 

[Tree of Life]

Heh, no.

Good rebuttal. I'll have to think on that one.

 

[pitabread]

Are you asking for my conclusions?

No, I'm asking how you distinguish between different ideas.

 

[pitabread]

The Bible determines the truth about Gods creation.

And?

Given the scenarios in the OP, how would you determine who is correct? If you believe that one would use the Bible for that, then explain how one does that.

 

[d taylor]

The

And?

Given the scenarios in the OP, how would you determine who is correct? If you believe that one would use the Bible for that, then explain how one does that.

Bible determines, the scriptures as given, unless the Bible indicates that they should be taken, another way. Example Joshua 10 gives an account of Joshua commanding the sun and moon to stop moving.
Nowhere in the Bible is there any indication that the verses should not be taken as given.
Actually there are verse supporting that they should be taken as stated in the Bible. Hezekiah's promise that 15 years would be added to his life is another part of the Bible that supports Joshua 10, Psalms 19.

Same with Adam being the first human God created, again that is back up by other ares in the Bible, by Jesus, Paul, etc..

The flood also

Only the influence of outside sources, has caused a reinterpretation of Bible passages.

Only a christian who doubts the full truthful account of the Bible needs to make the Bible agree with outside sources.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If God created stuff it has value.
If stuff evolved it's value is arbitrary.

 

[VirOptimus]

If God created stuff it has value.
If stuff evolved it's value is arbitrary.

Value to whom?

 

[pitabread]

If God created stuff it has value.
If stuff evolved it's value is arbitrary.

...

Wut?

 

[USincognito]

The Bible determines the truth about Gods creation.

What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible?

 

[46AND2]

But I've seen HUNDREDS of people who tried to use radioactive dating to accurately date KNOWN objects ages and these methods failed miserably.

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

 

[d taylor]

What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible?

Like i was saying outside sources have no value. The Bible is the alone source of truth concerning God's creation. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Period end of discussion, now the only question is, is there a amount of time (long or short amount) between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 before God begins the creation account in Genesis 1:3.

But there is no doubt when God began creating the earth in Genesis 1: 3 and a record of days began. There is a recorded of days from that time on that accurately gives the record of creation of the earth starting with Genesis 1:3.

The Bible alone is the only true account/record of creation, as reveled in the Bible.
The Bible needs no outside conformation or at least it should not for the believer.

You want to debate something, debate the chapters in Is the Bible from heaven? Is the earth a globe? Specifically chapters 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12.
Starting with page 126 to 287 the book pages are 103 to 262
https://vaultedearth.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/is-the-bible-from-heaven-is-earth-a-globe.pdf

 

[USincognito]

Like i was saying outside sources have no value. The Bible is the alone source of truth concerning God's creation. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Period end of discussion, now the only question is, is there a amount of time (long or short amount) between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 before God begins the creation account in Genesis 1:3.

But there is no doubt when God began creating the earth in Genesis 1: 3 and a record of days began. There is a recorded of days from that time on that accurately gives the record of creation of the earth starting with Genesis 1:3.

The Bible alone is the only true account/record of creation, as reveled in the Bible.
The Bible needs no outside conformation or at least it should not for the believer.

You want to debate something, debate the chapters in Is the Bible from heaven? Is the earth a globe? Specifically chapters 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12.
Starting with page 126 to 287 the book pages are 103 to 262
https://vaultedearth.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/is-the-bible-from-heaven-is-earth-a-globe.pdf

I asked two simple questions and in four paragraphs of response you came nowhere near answering them. Here's what I asked again:

>> What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible? <<

Can you answer my two simple questions?

 

[pitabread]

The Bible alone is the only true account/record of creation, as reveled in the Bible.

Sounds like circular logic at work. The Bible is true because the Bible is true.

The Bible needs no outside conformation or at least it should not for the believer.

With no independent confirmation all you have is just that: a belief.

 

[d taylor]

Sounds like circular logic at work. The Bible is true because the Bible is true.

With no independent confirmation all you have is just that: a belief.

I have confirmation of the Bible, i see the creation as described in the Bible. The two created lights sun greater light and the lesser light the moon and i see stars. All moveing over the earth as stated in the Bible to give light on the earth.

I see as Paul writes, that there is one glory for the sun another glory for the moon and another glory for stars.

I see a raqia that shows Gods handiwork as stated in Psalm's 19

 

[pitabread]

I have confirmation of the Bible, i see the creation as described in the Bible. The two created lights sun greater light and the lesser light the moon and i see stars. All moveing over the earth as stated in the Bible to give light on the earth.

You just said "The Bible needs no outside conformation". You're contradicting yourself.

You also appear to be falling into the trap of post-hoc reasoning.

 

[Speedwell]

If God created stuff it has value.
If stuff evolved it's value is arbitrary.

But it doesn't have to have been made by God along the lines of biblical creationism to have value.

 

[d taylor]

I asked two simple questions and in four paragraphs of response you came nowhere near answering them. Here's what I asked again:

>> What does the Bible tell us about the lack of naturally occurring isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? What does the Bible tell us about SN 1987a 168,000 years ago and the arrival of a neutrino burst hours before it became visible? <<

Can you answer my two simple questions?

I am not obligated to you or your questions. Especially when they are based off of the lies of science as proven by the creation account in the Bible. That the earth is not a globe, there is no outer space containing planets moving around a sun that are millions of miles away. so and so.
So as far as your isotopes with half-lives of less than 700,000,000 years? SN 1987a 168,000 neutrino burst, I file them in the same lie stack with the globe etc...