How Design Beat Darwin

bevets · Apr 1, 2004

http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_1.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_2.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_3.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_4.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_5.asp

This is already long overdue. People will always find a way of denying their Creator (and Moral Lawgiver) but the day will come when they stop looking to Darwin for false comfort.

I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has. ~ Malcolm Muggeridge

Arikay · Apr 1, 2004

So bevets, should we just ignore you, or possibly report you for a possible forum violation?

Loudmouth · Apr 1, 2004

bevets said:
I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has. ~ Malcolm Muggeridge

Oh my, if Malcom Muggeridge says it it must be true!!! Run for the hills!!!

Creationsists have been saying this for 150 years. When is it actually going to happen? When is the data going to stop supporting evolution time after time after time? Methinks never. Creationism will be put on the shelves next to geocentrism and a flat earth, as failed theories that have been falsified to such an extent that they are mere entertainment. Nice try though.

ThePhoenix · Apr 1, 2004

bevets said:
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_1.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_2.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_3.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_4.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_5.asp

This is already long overdue. People will always find a way of denying their Creator (and Moral Lawgiver) but the day will come when they stop looking to Darwin for false comfort.

I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has. ~ Malcolm Muggeridge

From the "articles" (humor columns?)

Surprising though it may seem, Darwinism did not collapse because it was disproved by new evidence. (As we shall see, the evidence never really fit it anyway.) Instead, evolutionary theory was knocked off its pedestal by three developments in the first decade of this century-developments centered in the United States, but worldwide in scope. Those developments were: (1) the widespread adoption of a "teach the controversy" approach in education, (2) a growing public awareness of the scientific weaknesses of evolutionary theory, and (3) the rise of the more fruitful "theory of intelligent design."

On a societal and cultural level the damage such spurious and unwarranted elite opinions wreaked on the world at large was immense. For if everything people do results solely from their brains, and everything the brain does results solely from material causes, then people are no different than any other complicated machine and the brain is no different in principle than any very complex computer. If matter determines all, everything is passive and no one ever really does anything, or to be more precise, no one is really responsible for anything they think, say, or do.

To see how this happened, recall how exchanges between Darwinists and the early design theorists used to go. The design theorists would go to great lengths to analyze a given biological structure, show why it constituted an obstacle to Darwinian and other materialistic forms of evolution, and lay out how the structure in question exhibited clear marks of intelligence. To such carefully drawn lines of scientific argument and evidence, the Darwinist invariably offered stock responses, such as, "There you go with your religion again" "You're just substituting supernatural causes for natural causes" "You just haven't figured out how evolution did it" "You're arguing from ignorance" "You're lazy; get back in the lab and figure out how evolution did it."

The quotes speak for themselves.

Freodin · Apr 1, 2004

I like this scenario.

Let´s just revert to the good old days of "I am right, because my Holy Book says it." - and hand out the ammunition.

There is nothing as good as a religious war to determine truth.

Bushido216 · Apr 1, 2004

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Ishmael Borg · Apr 1, 2004

Tee hee hee. This is not-so-interesting speculative fiction. Of course, fiction is the only place where this could occur. Where's all the ID research that would serve as the foundation for this?

platzapS · Apr 1, 2004

What's great about this is that they are very specific with the date. All we have to do is wait it out until 2025, and (unless one of the core tenets of biology has been falsified) show them that evolution is still a valid theory. You'd think they would have done, "Write an article in the near future...".

PhantomLlama · Apr 1, 2004

Bushido216 said:
bevets said:

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danaman5 · Apr 1, 2004

I feel I should add a proper source to Bevet's quote, since he apparently doesn't feel like it himself. Malcolm Muggeridge (1903-1990) was a fundamentalist christian, obviously. Later in life he entered the Catholic church. He went to Cambridge, but his career was journalism, and I can find no evidence that he was any authority on biology. In fact, the sources I checked indicate that he didn't do very well at all on his studies. In light of these facts, the reliability of the quote as a knowledgeable source is questionable.

Bushido216 · Apr 1, 2004

Just FYI, danaman, Catholicism and fundamentalism aren't mutually exclusive.

danaman5 · Apr 2, 2004

Oh, I didn't realize it sounded that way. I was raised in a really liberal catholic home, so I guess I subconsciously associate fundamentalism with protestantism. You are completely correct, of course.

pureone · Apr 2, 2004

Nice Article that supplies no evidence and rebuts nothing. if you put the same enthusiasm into studying biology and science, what headway would be made...

AirPo · Apr 2, 2004

bevets said:
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_1.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_2.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_3.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_4.asp
http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/04-03-04/cover_5.asp

So you admit that ID is purely fiction?

ryfso · Apr 2, 2004

AirPo said:
So you admit that ID is purely fiction?

You mean it's not 2025? **** THIS INFERNAL WRISTWATCH!

Ishmael Borg · Apr 2, 2004

Didn't Prince write a song about this?:

I was prayin when I wrote this, forgive me for being YEC
But when I woke up this mornin, I knew that I believed in ID

It wasnt in a journal, it wasnt even reviewed by peers
But it did more than evolution to assuage my childish fears

Cuz they say 2025, oops Darwins out of time
So were gonna move science back to the year b.c. ninety-nine.

ryfso · Apr 2, 2004

Ishmael Borg said:
Didn't Prince write a song about this?:

I was prayin’ when I wrote this, forgive me for being YEC
But when I woke up this mornin’, I knew that I believed in ID

It wasn’t in a journal, it wasn’t even reviewed by peers
But it did more than evolution to assuage my childish fears

Cuz they say 2025, oops Darwin’s out of time
So we’re gonna move science back to the year b.c. ninety-nine.

That was a work of unbridled genius. Did you write it?

Ishmael Borg · Apr 2, 2004

ryfso said:
That was a work of unbridled genius. Did you write it?

I did write it, but my genius is quite bridled (ha ha).

Risen Tree · Apr 2, 2004

I knew those articles would be posted in here as soon as I read them in the magazine itself. Sigh....

Western Deity · Apr 2, 2004

Why isn't bevets banned yet?

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