How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

[ToBeLoved]

Except the prodigal son in the parable STARTED WITH THE FATHER AS HIS SON.

The world's population as a whole does not, but STARTS as sons of disobedience.
(and they keep doing as their father does)
And many other things have been overlooked and mis-spoken as well....

For other threads though, or for other places, and other times.

Why would that matter. The fact is that the son was an heir to the father, just as we, being saved our heirs to the Father through Christ.

So an heir is an heir.

 

[ToBeLoved]

We discussed this already, bling.

The prodigal was already chosen. He was already a son. He is not someone from the village who just shows up and chooses the land owner to be his father.

If you are going to attempt to use a parable to build your theology around, at least set the table correctly.

There seems to be nothing left to say. I have provided an ample amount of Scripture passages to express why I believe God is Sovereign and chooses to redeem sinners as He wills. This is enough. The rest is between you and God.

God is sovereign with your theory or without your theory. I like how you seem to add things you feel are represented on both sides to your side. Not representing things as they are. We should represent what is, not just to fill our position.

So what do you have that the rest of us saved do not have?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I parables people refused the invitation.

Yes they did! They were all called (i.e.. invited) but some did not come.

Glad you brought out that point.

 

[CrystalDragon]

If God offers grace to everyone, then some might refuse the grace of God by what they read or see in the world around them. I've encountered quote a few atheists, for instance, who used to be Christians but they started doubting when reading the Bible.

If God only offers grace to some, it begs the question why He withholds grace in the first place (and why hell exists) if He does really desire that all will be saved.

 

[ToBeLoved]

If God offers grace to everyone, then some might refuse the grace of God by what they read or see in the world around them. I've encountered quote a few atheists, for instance, who used to be Christians but they started doubting when reading the Bible.

If God only offers grace to some, it begs the question why He withholds grace in the first place (and why hell exists) if He does really desire that all will be saved.

Exactly. Which is why their theory falls apart.

 

[bling]

Except the prodigal son in the parable STARTED WITH THE FATHER AS HIS SON.

The world's population as a whole does not, but STARTS as sons of disobedience.
(and they keep doing as their father does)
And many other things have been overlooked and mis-spoken as well....

For other threads though, or for other places, and other times.

First off: I am using the parable to better define “dead” when deity or the Bible talk about death other than physical death.

In the parable the father even after knowing the son was physically alive calls the young son dead, so this would be some form of “spiritual” death. While spiritual dead according to Jesus the young son came to his senses and turned to the father.

I also do not go along with the doctrine of original sin where even an unborn baby is a sinner, so we all start out as children of God (as Paul described us), but we are the children of who we obey, so when we start sinning we become children of satan.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Exactly. Which is why their theory falls apart.

Whose theory, and what theory? I want to make sure I have the context right.

 

[bling]

We discussed this already, bling.

The prodigal was already chosen. He was already a son. He is not someone from the village who just shows up and chooses the land owner to be his father.

If you are going to attempt to use a parable to build your theology around, at least set the table correctly.

There seems to be nothing left to say. I have provided an ample amount of Scripture passages to express why I believe God is Sovereign and chooses to redeem sinners as He wills. This is enough. The rest is between you and God.

First off: It does not matter if this is talking about a believer or nonbeliever. I believe like Paul Acts: 17: 24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.

I do not go along with the doctrine of original sin where even an unborn baby is a sinner, so we all start out as children of God (as Paul described us), but we are the children of who we obey, so when we start sinning we become children of satan.

I am using the parable to better define “dead” when deity or the Bible talk about death other than physical death.

In the parable the father even after knowing the son was physically alive calls the young son dead, so this would be some form of “spiritual” death. While spiritual dead according to Jesus the young son came to his senses and turned to the father.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

First off: I am using the parable to better define “dead” when deity or the Bible talk about death other than physical death.

In the parable the father even after knowing the son was physically alive calls the young son dead, so this would be some form of “spiritual” death. While spiritual dead according to Jesus the young son came to his senses and turned to the father.

I also do not go along with the doctrine of original sin where even an unborn baby is a sinner, so we all start out as children of God (as Paul described us), but we are the children of who we obey, so when we start sinning we become children of satan.

This (content) is directly what the title of the thread asks.
People can and do resist the grace of YHWH
all the time, every day.
People use paraphrased SCRIPTURE, often tradition (I don't know if this is tradition or just recent mistakes),
to keep resisting the grace of YHWH.
Start another or other threads if you wish to discuss this.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why would that matter. The fact is that the son was an heir to the father, just as we, being saved our heirs to the Father through Christ.

So an heir is an heir.

After anyone is born again, if they become prodigal,
is entirely different than the multitudes who are not born again ever.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Whose theory, and what theory? I want to make sure I have the context right.

Calvinists believe that only some are called by God to be saved. That God intentionally calls some and intentionally does not call others to Christ. Meaning that God chooses to condemn some to hell and God chooses to save some.

But Jesus said He wants ALL to come to Him. Which destroys their theory of that God only wants and only calls some.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Meaning that God chooses to condemn some to hell and God chooses to save some.

Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,
YHWH is the JUDGE. HE as JUDGE chooses who is saved and who is not.
OR do you think someone else decides?(I don't think you do, but don't know so I ask)

But Jesus said He wants ALL to come to Him.

THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.
So what ?
Most people are never saved.
This is clear all through YHWH'S OWN WORD,
and in the world (observing) everyone can see this.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Whose theory, and what theory? I want to make sure I have the context right.

The theories and the context has been convoluted for hundreds of years,
ever since mankind has been involved,
and the theories and the context is more and more convoluted(deceitful) every day.
YHWH'S WORD is the only FAITHFUL resource anyone has to know the TRUTH,
and Y'SHUA is the ONLY ONE WHO has the WORDS that lead to LIFE.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,
YHWH is the JUDGE. HE as JUDGE chooses who is saved and who is not.
OR do you think someone else decides?(I don't think you do, but don't know so I ask)

THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.
So what ?
Most people are never saved.
This is clear all through YHWH'S OWN WORD,
and in the world (observing) everyone can see this.

A judge who judges at the end of one's life, not one that predestines damnation before a life begins. That is important.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,
YHWH is the JUDGE. HE as JUDGE chooses who is saved and who is not.
OR do you think someone else decides?(I don't think you do, but don't know so I ask)

THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.
So what ?
Most people are never saved.
This is clear all through YHWH'S OWN WORD,
and in the world (observing) everyone can see this.

Because Jesus wanting all to be saved shows that God does not predestine anyone to hell. We have free will and make our own choice and destiny.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A judge who judges at the end of one's life, not one that predestines damnation before a life begins. That is important.

Why is that important at all ?
(follow thru here - this is critical and YHWH'S WORD has the answer, naturally)

 

[ToBeLoved]

Why is that important at all ?
(follow thru here - this is critical and YHWH'S WORD has the answer, naturally)

Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.

I can't even believe that you would ask.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.

I can't even believe that you would ask.

It is because I don't know you nor how you think nor why you thought it was important.
YHWH'S WORD is TRUE ABSOLUTELY and PERFECT without any fault or shadow nor spot nor wrinkle, when seen as HE SAYS. (cont.... )

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A judge who judges at the end of one's life, not one that predestines damnation before a life begins. That is important.

Why is that important at all ?
(follow thru here - this is critical and YHWH'S WORD has the answer, naturally)

Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.

I can't even believe that you would ask.

Revelation of YHWH'S PLAN: You do realize that YHWH knew everything before creating anything , right ? YHWH knew everything from beginning to end about everything and everyone who ever exists, before HE created all the universe and the earth and life.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It is because I don't know you nor how you think nor why you thought it was important.
YHWH'S WORD is TRUE ABSOLUTELY and PERFECT without any fault or shadow nor spot nor wrinkle, when seen as HE SAYS. (cont.... )

I'm sorry but you have no scripture to support what you say and much of it doesn't make sense as we are discussing a certain topic in the Bible and not the entire Bible itself.
I'm not sure that you are following the thread.