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How are we to explain these "miracles?"

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Spontaneous remission rates are estimated to be around 1:100,000. You would need to show not just that one of those cases was a person who recently prayed for a miracle, but some statistically relevant data set showing that spontaneous remission rates of christians is higher than other religions.
 
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Still no evidence, just claims.
 
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Using the same logic found in the posts above, we could argue a coin flip to "prove" that God exists. Pray to God that the coin will always land on heads. Flip the coin 100 times. For all of the times it landed on heads, this is incotrovertable proof that God answers prayers. For all the times it lands on tails, it is just proof that God answer was "No".

Foolproof.

The only problem is that it works equally well if you pray to Zeus, or to a leaf of grass.
 
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Evidence?

You, chap, lack the evidence. The multitudes Baptized by the Spirit have the evidence. Those touched by miracles by Power on High have the evidence.

You have no evidence to deny the Spiritual Power others have encountered, the miracles they have experienced.

Zero evidence. All you can do is deny the witness of others , and request blindly for evidence YOU need!

All you now possess is a temporal life in a temporal realm. You do not have an eternal relationship with Him.

The Spiritual Wealth you lack is incredible.
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And yet, you give no evidence. Those that make claims with no evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

We have gone round and round on this Hess, what is your evidence?
 
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And yet, you give no evidence. Those that make claims with no evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

We have gone round and round on this Hess, what is your evidence?

Heissonear doesn't have any evidence. Just preaching and prosthletizing total BS
 
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You speak as if you are an expert about the Spiritual Realm, like you possess the final word about if there is Power on High.

You are the least to inform us about the Spiritual Dynamics in our midst. You say, "what spiritual realm" and show your ignorance before us all.

The God on High you are blind to. You state our witness of Him on High are mere claims. Yet you are empty handed, in Spiritual Poverty. What do you know? You only know the natural. And only of the natural can you talk about.

In your arrogance you speak of things you have no apprehension of. Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend.
 
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If a God exists (and I still believe that) what tools are appropriate to investigate whether or not it is the case? It seems that it cannot be empiricism.
 
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Heissonear doesn't have any evidence. Just preaching and prosthletizing total BS

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You speak as an expert about a matter that you cannot apprehend.

Your Spiritual Realm ignorance you cannot overcome.

You can only speak in relation to the realm of the natural.

What do you know about miracles from God? You show "nothing". Only unbelief.

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You keep making mere assertions. What epistemology can be used so as to verify this?

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Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend, you can only state such are mere assertions.

What do you know about Spiritual Power, other than ignorance and unbelief?

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Well, my faith icon is "t" for "the natural" I guess. That or I object to looking for angels under every rock because it presents the opportunity to use the same argument to support any other action or belief as just as effective resulting int he damaging of the faith of other believers and violating what, in my opinion, is one of the central tenets that should be guiding our actions, "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."
 
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Miracles from God happen and you cannot apprehend, you can only state such are mere assertions.

What do you know about Spiritual Power, other than ignorance and unbelief?

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Until you do provide evidence you are just making claims without evidence. We have asked you for this before.
 
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Frankly, I find most miracles and miracle claims fairly weak, sometimes downright pathetic. I have seen better, but maybe I am just spoiled by the times that I live in.


One thing I know though, if I were to have a serious accident I'd much rather have one person call an ambulance than have one billion people pray for me and/or recite other magic incantations. (And KWCrazy, Heisonear et al are no different. LOL)
 
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In my experience, God does not directly effect his will on earth. It seems to me that He only "works" through the Holy Spirit, through the minds of people. So He can effect what people of faith do, but not directly alter matter. I don't know if this has always been the case though. Some say that the time of "Signs and wonders" has past.
Bible Search: signs
 
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Until you do provide evidence you are just making claims without evidence. We have asked you for this before.

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"Facts of miracles are trashed" by Naturalists on this site. What is Holy ..........

1. You have never seen a deformed limb of a baby become whole and normal before your eyes.

2. You have never seen someone shot in the chest by a high power rifle and fall to the ground in blood only to raise with no evidence of being shot.

Mates, you have been missing out, and the value these events bring towards others.

You promote mere Naturalism and state any events from Power from on High are mere assertions.

You show your extreme ignorance and unbelief.

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You've seen the events you describe have you?
 
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