How are we to explain these "miracles?"

[Nithavela]

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Natural man is in folly, and promotes vanity.

Foolish naturalistic man is ignorant to not only God, but to His plan in action in the Last Days.

Many on this forum "doubt" God performs Miracles in our day, even though some have witnessed them firsthand.

And like the discarding of miracles, they do the same to the present events taking place on earth due to the Dynamics of the Spiritual: by this they fail to see what is happening on earth in our generation.

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I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

 

[Heissonear]

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

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I was brought up in error. Once a person is an educated Naturalist it is difficult to still be open minded to if there is a God, even Him still displaying His Power from on High. God can save anyone!

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I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

Point of correction, Hara-Kiri Rock would need PAPER

 

[Nithavela]

I think it is now proven behind a shred of doubt that Heiss will spew the same things, no matter what combination of words is thrown in his direction. He might even be a very advanced bot.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think it is now proven behind a shred of doubt that Heiss will spew the same things, no matter what combination of words is thrown in his direction. He might even be a very advanced bot.

"Advanced" might be a bit of a stretch -- you'll notice after a while that it's only about 5 or 6 variations of the same canned speech.

 

[Kylie]

I'm assuming you mean the hoax is making it seem like he didn't exist.

Could you tell me why we should believe in the existence of someone for whom we have no contemporary records?

Still waiting for an answer to this. Somebody? Anybody?

 

[AV1611VET]

Could you tell me why we should believe in the existence of someone for whom we have no contemporary records?

Still waiting for an answer to this. Somebody? Anybody?

Faith?

Do you want us to believe in Charles Darwin?

I haven't seen anything from him lately.

 

[Heissonear]

Still waiting for an answer to this. Somebody? Anybody?

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This is a Miracles thread. And Jesus still performs them all the time in our generation.

The closer you get to Him the more He reveals; the farther you get from Him the more a person can doubt that He even existed.


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[ToddNotTodd]

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This is a Miracles thread. And Jesus still performs them all the time in our generation.

The closer you get to Him the more He reveals; the farther you get from Him the more a person can doubt that He even existed.

No.

 

[Heissonear]

No.

Yes. Miracles still happen all the time. In our day and age God demonstrates His Power over the natural. Read Post #344, it lists the basics of a Miracle I witnessed.

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[ToddNotTodd]

Yes. Miracles still happen all the time. In our day and age God demonstrates His Power over the natural. Read Post #344, it lists the basics of a Miracle I witnessed.

No.

 

[HitchSlap]

No these things are said in among other acts of kindness and teachings. But then the church exploded after Jesus was crucified and many became martyrs and died for their beliefs. So they must have been pretty convinced to give up their lives. Yet when i hear of people doing something like that like the Waco thing or Charlie or the Jim Jones mass suicide I always think there is some irrational talk and actions as well like you often hear. The leader always has this God complex and anti social aspect about him. Yet every saying and teaching I have read from Jesus is sane , reasonable, wise, intelligent and very good advice. The words I have read from his follower's seems to make sense and is all quite reasonable. Something I wouldn't expect from nutters who would give their own life up for a person who fooled them all pretending to be the chosen one and Christ the son of God.

In the letters of Paul it talks about 3,000 at a time being converted. Paul is speaking to many people in his letters who are already saved and reminding them of the sacrifice of Jesus and living in the spirit of God. The church continued to grow fairly quick and some say that this is because of the great events that surrounded Jesus with the great wonders and miracles happening and people were seeing amazing things.

There must have been something big happening because the Church grew fast and spread to the far reaches of the empire and became the dominate religion of the roman empire. They had converted the very empire that tried to destroy the Christians and became the dominate religion of the western world. So it must have been the greatest show on earth. I dont think any Hollywood director has achieved anything like that. Rivals any great person we have had so far and the media outlets should find out their secret because they were sure successful . Pretty good for a figment of everyone's imagination. Boy we even still have holidays to celebrate it over 2000 years later.

By this logic, anything that "explodes" in popularity must be true?

As for the rapid growth of Christianity, you've conveniently left out some pertinent details, like the fact it almost died out before Constantine used it as a political tool.

 

[SkyWriting]

By this logic, anything that "explodes" in popularity must be true?

And lasts, considered true for 2000 years, pretty much.
But if you have comparable lies, or fabrications, or myths,
considered true for a length a time, later dismissed as false,
that would be a good counter point.

As for the rapid growth of Christianity, you've conveniently left out some pertinent details, like the fact it almost died out before Constantine used it as a political tool.

So Constantine gets full credit for keeping the lies going?

 

[PsychoSarah]

And lasts, considered true for 2000 years, pretty much.
But if you have comparable lies, or fabrications, or myths,
considered true for a length a time, later dismissed as false,
that would be a good counter point.

So Constantine gets full credit for keeping the lies going?

He gets a lot of the credit, he is the reason why it took off, if you think about it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And lasts, considered true for 2000 years, pretty much.
But if you have comparable lies, or fabrications, or myths,
considered true for a length a time, later dismissed as false,
that would be a good counter point.

Nice.

Hinduism. Shiva dates back to 7000 BC.

So Constantine gets full credit for keeping the lies going?

He certainly provided a platform to the religion.
Without it, chances are that christianity would have faded away.

 

[Michael]

He gets a lot of the credit, he is the reason why it took off, if you think about it.

In fact it was probably his order for the first 50 "bibles" that got the whole canonization process started. I'd say it's a more than little over the top to suggest Christianity was dying out as a religion as Hitchslap seemed to suggest, in fact it's likely that it's widespread popularity among his troops made it a attractive political tool.

Without a doubt however, Constantine's support of Christianity was vital in terms of it's growth. It's almost certain that's what led to the need for an "official" Bible, and "official' doctrine too.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In fact it was probably his order for the first 50 "bibles" that got the whole canonization process started. I'd say it's a more than little over the top to suggest Christianity was dying out as a religion as Hitchslap seemed to suggest, in fact it's likely that it's widespread popularity among his troops made it a attractive political tool.

Without a doubt however, Constantine's support of Christianity was vital in terms of it's growth. It's almost certain that's what led to the need for an "official" bible, and "official' doctrine too.

Precisely, there is a good chance that Christianity would not be widespread but rather restricted to a small geographic area were it not for Constantine and his soldiers.

 

[Nithavela]

And lasts, considered true for 2000 years, pretty much.
But if you have comparable lies, or fabrications, or myths,
considered true for a length a time, later dismissed as false,
that would be a good counter point.

Would this be a good time to mention the ancient egyptian gods? You know, Ra, Bast, Osiris, Set...

Also, Hinduism is a tiny bit older than christanity, and still very much a thing. It's spread only got stopped by the biggest mountain range of the planet.

 

[Michael]

He certainly provided a platform to the religion.

Absolutely.

Without it, chances are that christianity would have faded away.

Not likely. It's more likely that the whole reason he was exposed to Christianity, and embraced it too is due to the popularity of Christianity among his own troops. It's popularity is also what likely made it an attractive political tool as well.

They'd been burning Christians at the stake and feeding to the lions for centuries by the time Constantine heard about it.

 

[Nithavela]

Must have been real complicated having a military when christianity was that widespread in the legions and they used christians as lion food habitually.